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[Gravbh]

numotsbane wrote...

I actually think CQC infiltrators are way way way more fun, and as such always roll without the widow. seriously, CQC infiltrators... beastly.
but then I go right ahead and take widow with my soldier. so maybe you could just say I'm a little wierd.

That's exatly what I do. Shotgun blasts to the face while cloaked and massive widow shots from adrenaline rush are too much fun.

[NICKjnp]

Or a usb thumb drive.

[Gravbh]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Gravbh wrote...


I agree. If I pick up another weapon on the collector ship over the widow I always run with the mantis, on both soldier and infiltrator. I hate semi-auto sniper rifles with a passion, in any game I've ever played that has them.

Widow isn't semi-auto, you're thinking of Incisor. Widow reloads after every shot just like Mantis does.

I definitely agree though, Mantis is fine for infiltrator, especially if you grab an Eviscerator for backup. There's an awesome video of a shotogun infiltrator owning Collectors solo on Insanity here.

I wasn't clear enough. I mean that I pick the mantis over the viper. The general consensus seems to be that if you don't pick the widow, run viper. I meant I hate semi-autos so if I don't pick widow, I still run mantis over the viper.

Though I'm still not exactly sure why a bolt action assemply is required for a weapon based on thermal clips...

Modifié par Gravbh, 09 août 2010 - 02:53 .

[numotsbane]

my general reaction to that thread was 'sounds interesting! but... yeah, too much effort.'
I'm just lazy. leave me alone.
edit: that was in response to the 360 modding stuff. hey, I'm a strategy guy, I'm not used to fast-moving threads

Modifié par numotsbane, 09 août 2010 - 02:55 .

[PsyrenY]

Gravbh wrote...

I wasn't clear enough. I mean that I pick the mantis over the viper. The general consensus seems to be that if you don't pick the widow, run viper. I meant I hate semi-autos so if I don't pick widow, I still run mantis over the viper.

Though I'm still not exactly sure why a bolt action assemply is required for a weapon based on thermal clips...

Oh, my bad, I understand you now.
Well, in terms of DPS, Viper does indeed beat Mantis - here.

But that doesn't mean Mantis is bad, so if you prefer bolt-action then by all means go for it

And it sort of makes sense - the Mantis/Widow generate so much heat firing their massive-caliber slugs that they require an entire submodule of thermal clips to absorb it all (and protect the gun from damage.)

[numotsbane]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Oh, my bad, I understand you now.
Well, in terms of DPS, Viper does indeed beat Mantis - here.

But that doesn't mean Mantis is bad, so if you prefer bolt-action then by all means go for it

And it sort of makes sense - the Mantis/Widow generate so much heat firing their massive-caliber slugs that they require an entire submodule of thermal clips to absorb it all (and protect the gun from damage.)

that video shows why I generally pick the mantis - the amount of damage you take unloading a viper clip is just a pain sometimes.

[PsyrenY]

numotsbane wrote...

that video shows why I generally pick the mantis - the amount of damage you take unloading a viper clip is just a pain sometimes.

Indeed, but once you upgrade your medigel you barely notice. Before upgrading it I tended to end missions with surplus - effectively, the upgrade lets you convert your medigel into dps (because you can hang out of cover longer), and that's always a good thing.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 09 août 2010 - 03:24 .

[NICKjnp]

numotsbane wrote...

my general reaction to that thread was 'sounds interesting! but... yeah, too much effort.'
I'm just lazy. leave me alone.
edit: that was in response to the 360 modding stuff. hey, I'm a strategy guy, I'm not used to fast-moving threads

fair enough... it revived the game for me though.  I didn't have to hunt down minerals and credits to upgrade weapons.  And I gave my adepts have assault rifles and shottys.

[Pacifien]

numotsbane wrote...
my general reaction to that thread was 'sounds interesting! but... yeah, too much effort.'
I'm just lazy. leave me alone.

Was pretty lazy about it myself, but I had no choice if I wanted to work on the suicide mission guide and needed to replay a certain portion of the mission over and over and over again. Made the effort then.

I do think the OP of that thread gives the impression it's much harder to do the mod than it really is, though.

[JaegerBane]

Gravbh wrote...
Though I'm still not exactly sure why a bolt action assemply is required for a weapon based on thermal clips...

As has been alluded to by another poster, I'd assume that the velocity of a Widow round is as close to maximum that you could realistically manage on a man-portable weapon. That kind of velocity will generate some serious heat, so it takes a full thermal clip to absorb the heat one shot generates.

[Simbacca]

If you stick with the Mantis you'll be able to take the GPS, with which you can charge it up, cloak, fire, and then reposition while still cloaked for the rest of its duration.



Can't go wrong either way.

[OniGanon]

Interesting to see how the CQC Infiltrator has caught on.



From a gameplay perspective there's little reason to use anything but the Widow or Viper for your Sniper Rifle.



But this game isn't so hard that you can't simply run with whatever weapons you think look coolest. So if that's what matters to you, go for it. And then take a shotgun for your bonus weapon.

[Bozorgmehr]

Gravbh wrote...

I wasn't clear enough. I mean that I pick the mantis over the viper. The general consensus seems to be that if you don't pick the widow, run viper. I meant I hate semi-autos so if I don't pick widow, I still run mantis over the viper.

I believe there're rougly two ways to play the Infiltrator: As a true sniper - 1S1K with SR, Mantis can do this early on, but cannot about halfway through. Since every shot that doesn't kill an enemy instantly is a waste (I hate it when enemies don't die with just tiny bit of their health bar remaining) - you'll need the Widow to get those 1S1Ks. If you opt for the second 'style' - an Infiltrator should get the AR or (better) SG training at the Collector ship to get into enemy lines (Cloaked) and kill them. There isn't much choice for the CQC Infiltrator. Mantis just isn't powerful enough to be used effectively throughout the game- Viper is a better pick to soften enemy positions before going in with a shotty to mob up whats left.

But its a single player game, so if you don't care much about efficiency (not needed anyway, ME2 isn't really hard) go with the Mantis

[RGFrog]

If I'm on Inf. and not using the Widow, I prefer the Mantis over the Viper as well. The time dilation for some reason throws me off when using the Viper so i actually get less DPS over time than I do with clean head shots from the mantis.

For non-infiltrators, though, Viper all the way. Well, maybe not with the new weaps, but I'm waiting on shadow broker dlc to give that lot a run