tmp7704 wrote...
Considering how she words her beliefs -- "being born with magic must be a punishment" -- it appears to be more of her own interpretation. Simply put, if the Chantry was actually teaching this as the other person claimed they do, then she'd be instead saying it is punishment.
captain.subtle wrote...
kindly refrain from personal insults.
Guest_jln.francisco_*
captain.subtle wrote...
Templars CANNOT be trained to fight Abominations....
That requires Abominations on your beck-and-call all the time. They have to make do with either some little experience or heresay and innate strength/abilities.
Riona45 wrote...
captain.subtle wrote...
kindly refrain from personal insults.
Too bad I don't take orders from you, eh, sockpuppet?
Modifié par captain.subtle, 15 août 2010 - 12:45 .
lolwut?jln.francisco wrote...
captain.subtle wrote...
Templars CANNOT be trained to fight Abominations....
That requires Abominations on your beck-and-call all the time. They have to make do with either some little experience or heresay and innate strength/abilities.
I guess every bit of training the military is does except for war games is a waste then?
captain.subtle wrote...
The sentences beginning with "kindly" in the English tongue are hardly orders. They are requests....
Modifié par Riona45, 15 août 2010 - 12:48 .
Riona45 wrote...
captain.subtle wrote...
The sentences beginning with "kindly" in the English tongue are hardly orders. They are requests....
I don't take requests from you either, sockpuppet. You're wasting your time.
Teddie Sage wrote...
I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one here who dislikes Religions in real life and kinda wished for more Chantry destruction in the original Dragon Age, but I'd love it if it was possible on your DA2 Evil Path to slay chantrists and burn their chantries. It would add more epicness to the evil path of Hawke's storyline. Who agrees with me?
*blinks innocently*
P.S. I'm aware of the whole defiling of Andraste's Ashes in DAO, though I want more...
Guest_jln.francisco_*
Tirigon wrote...
Teddie Sage wrote...
I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one here who dislikes Religions in real life and kinda wished for more Chantry destruction in the original Dragon Age, but I'd love it if it was possible on your DA2 Evil Path to slay chantrists and burn their chantries. It would add more epicness to the evil path of Hawke's storyline. Who agrees with me?
*blinks innocently*
P.S. I'm aware of the whole defiling of Andraste's Ashes in DAO, though I want more...
Agree.
Btw, if you burn down Chantries you should get the "Trve Norsk Black Metallian" achievement and unlock Burzum songs ingame, as well as a new Black Metal style armor and Corpsepaint tattos for the Character creator:devil:
Tirigon wrote...
Teddie Sage wrote...
I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one here who dislikes Religions in real life and kinda wished for more Chantry destruction in the original Dragon Age, but I'd love it if it was possible on your DA2 Evil Path to slay chantrists and burn their chantries. It would add more epicness to the evil path of Hawke's storyline. Who agrees with me?
*blinks innocently*
P.S. I'm aware of the whole defiling of Andraste's Ashes in DAO, though I want more...
Agree.
Btw, if you burn down Chantries you should get the "Trve Norsk Black Metallian" achievement and unlock Burzum songs ingame, as well as a new Black Metal style armor and Corpsepaint tattos for the Character creator:devil:
i love lamp x3 wrote...
but andraste's ashes cure the arl's fatal illness. there's definitely more at work in the da universe than there is here.
Guest_jln.francisco_*
I mostly look at it from the viewpoint, the templars are trained to resist the magic while the mages not so much. The game claims if the templars can prepare then they're practically impossible to harm by a mage which unfortunately never actually happens in the game with the cap on the mental resistances and such. Still, if this ability is taken into account and treated as real, then they just make a potentially better anti-magic force (be it against mages or abomination) than the mages do.
(then there's also this potential issue with plain numbers. Considering an abomination is clearly out of league of single mage/templar, then putting mages prone to failure under wings of more experienced mage/other individual isn't going to help much shall they actually fail, and there's no guarantee they won't fail, after all. Given this, a system where you have say, dozen mages and dozen experienced people to watch them over --and hoping you won't have to deal with more than single abomination at once which is rather reasonable since demons don't seem to invade in large numbers on their own-- makes sense from practical standpoint. More than rather implausible system where each individual student is assigned dozen supervisors just so they can deal with the potential trouble. But then it is very much the way the Circles are set up. Hmm)
I really didn't get such impression from how it was discussed in the game. Certainly, no mage pointed out such possibility. The way it was talked about it seemed more like, the demons are attracted to the mages both when in Fade and if they manage to get out of it, and they try to take them over very much like they try to take over other living being. Whether they succeed is pretty much down to individual strength of will of the mage vs strength of the demon, and very little else.
I don't really agree with it because it is also not unusual for a person to develop self-depreciating attitude on their own rather than have it beaten into their heads by someone else.
So as long as we aren't actually shown cases where such external indoctrination does take place, and also given how things were worded, i'd consider it basic case of applying Occam's razor -- that is, not introducing theoretical factors beyond what's necessary to provide a working explanation.
So you're mad?Riona45 wrote...
Archereon wrote...
You know, if I was Christian I'd probably be frightened by a lot of the comments in this thread, and glad that most Americans are religious.
The internet isn't America, just so you know. And if you take criticism of a ficitional religion seriously, then you are an idiot.
C9316 wrote...
<EDIT>?Riona45 wrote...
Archereon wrote...
You know, if I was Christian I'd probably be frightened by a lot of the comments in this thread, and glad that most Americans are religious.
The internet isn't America, just so you know. And if you take criticism of a ficitional religion seriously, then you are an idiot.
Modifié par captain.subtle, 15 août 2010 - 11:44 .
But what will it eat then?captain.subtle wrote...
C9316 wrote...
So you're mad?Riona45 wrote...
Archereon wrote...
You know, if I was Christian I'd probably be frightened by a lot of the comments in this thread, and glad that most Americans are religious.
The internet isn't America, just so you know. And if you take criticism of a ficitional religion seriously, then you are an idiot.
Don't feed the troll.
C9316 wrote...
But what will it eat then?captain.subtle wrote...
C9316 wrote...
<EDIT>?Riona45 wrote...
Archereon wrote...
You know, if I was Christian I'd probably be frightened by a lot of the comments in this thread, and glad that most Americans are religious.
The internet isn't America, just so you know. And if you take criticism of a ficitional religion seriously, then you are an idiot.
Don't feed the troll.
Guest_Illborne_*
I agree with you regarding the nessecity of containing mages, but my beef with the whole buisness is that the chantry is a religious organization with a bias towards magic - not an independent third-party.captain.subtle wrote...
C9316 wrote...
But what will it eat then?captain.subtle wrote...
C9316 wrote...
?Riona45 wrote...
Archereon wrote...
You know, if I was Christian I'd probably be frightened by a lot of the comments in this thread, and glad that most Americans are religious.
The internet isn't America, just so you know. And if you take criticism of a ficitional religion seriously, then you are an idiot.
Don't feed the troll.
Whatever anyone else will feed it. Let it not be you. I would advice you to edit your post and i will edit my quotes
Anyway back to the point.
I support you in saying that the Chantry is not wholely evil. Through their prejudices towards magic due to experience with the Tevinter Imperium their behaviour has become both draconic and paranoid. But their central goal is not so very wrong at all, which is containing the exposure of mages to the world unless they are deemed reliable (like Wynne).
Illborne wrote...
I agree with you regarding the nessecity of containing mages, but my beef with the whole buisness is that the chantry is a religious organization with a bias towards magic - not an independent third-party.
Isn't it great, though, that the lore of a video-game gets us so worked up? Speaks well for the writers at Bioware.
But Capt.Subtle, sectoring off a group of people because you believe them dangerous is no different than what the ****'s did to everyone they believed below them. It is done in the name of religion just as Hitler claimed it had something to do with Christianity. Imprisoning all for the fear of perhaps one of them going rogue isn't right. And so what if someone wants to do blood magic, it would be a personal choice, just as following certain religions in real lifecaptain.subtle wrote...
Whatever anyone else will feed it. Let it not be you. I would advice you to edit your post and i will edit my quotes
Anyway back to the point.
I support you in saying that the Chantry is not wholely evil. Through their prejudices towards magic due to experience with the Tevinter Imperium their behaviour has become both draconic and paranoid. But their central goal is not so very wrong at all, which is containing the exposure of mages to the world unless they are deemed reliable (like Wynne).
Daryn Mercio wrote...
But Capt.Subtle, sectoring off a group of people because you believe them dangerous is no different than what the ****'s did to everyone they believed below them. It is done in the name of religion just as Hitler claimed it had something to do with Christianity. Imprisoning all for the fear of perhaps one of them going rogue isn't right. And so what if someone wants to do blood magic, it would be a personal choice, just as following certain religions in real lifecaptain.subtle wrote...
Whatever anyone else will feed it. Let it not be you. I would advice you to edit your post and i will edit my quotes
Anyway back to the point.
I support you in saying that the Chantry is not wholely evil. Through their prejudices towards magic due to experience with the Tevinter Imperium their behaviour has become both draconic and paranoid. But their central goal is not so very wrong at all, which is containing the exposure of mages to the world unless they are deemed reliable (like Wynne).
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