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[Heimdall]

you know, I can't help but give this thread a funny look as I've never felt any compulsion to destroy the chantry. And I play a mage

[Tirigon]

Krilral wrote...

Daryn Mercio wrote...

Killing mindless drones isn't wrong, as our Warden kills around a thousand of them in his/her quest to save Ferelden. They are called Darkspawn

The difference is that most people in the chantry aren't mindless drones as you will surely remember if you spoke to any in DA:O.

I found the darkspawn to be more pleasant company. More intelligent, too.

[Namea]

I agree. Perhaps not going so far as to burn down the chantry....

However I would love to see the chantry shown in the light that it is a corrupt political force that bends lives to their own will and means. It would be awesome to have the chantry backing the main antagonist of the game. We've already been shown that they are corrupt in the way they addict templars to Lyrium in order to keep them holding the mages down.



However, I doubt that will happen. The chantry is the game's reflection of Christianity, or religion in general. No game developer is going to openly insult religion and call its flaws because they don't want their games banned by zealots, blamed for the ruin of youth, or some such idiocy. If they did that, all the gamers who were perfectly fine with pixelated sex-sequences will suddenly be so offended because gasp, someone dared to insult religion.



It's a double edged sword I am afraid. Still fun to wish for though...if you ever get transported into the game and decide to torch a chantry, I'll supply the lighter and some maniacal laughter at your side my friend.

[Everwarden]

Some thoughts came to mind when I was reading through some of the DA2 information available. Might just be retreading things said earlier, haven't read the entire thread.

Kirkwall is under tight control of the Chantry/Templars before Hawke comes, and your sister is a mage (and you might be as well), this seems like it could be well suited to stirring up some anti-Chantry drama. The templars of Kirkwall keep their circle on a tighter leash than most circles, and one can assume that if your character is a mage you're going to be an apostate and will have to fight the templars at some point.
Or perhaps the templars hurt/kill your sister and it gives you a deep, burning hatred for the order? I dunno, seems possible.

[Hayes1987]

I agree 100% Everwarden.

[Inquisitor Recon]

How about an option to become more involved in the Chantry and punish some filthy blood-mages. Perhaps it would make getting Templar skills a bit more involved?

[Morroian]

I'd hope that depending on your choices you can be with or against the chantry.

[faction699]

Lord Aesir wrote...

you know, I can't help but give this thread a funny look as I've never felt any compulsion to destroy the chantry. And I play a mage

The Chantry demands far too much control over everything (especially magic).  While I wouldn't play against the chantry (mostly because there are plenty of genuinely good people you meet who are chantry-associated), it's perfectly plausible that someone would.


Great thread by the way.  It's a really nice idea and I hope we see something like it in DA2.

Modifié par faction699, 17 août 2010 - 05:02 .

[Tirigon]

ReconTeam wrote...

How about an option to become more involved in the Chantry and punish some filthy blood-mages. Perhaps it would make getting Templar skills a bit more involved?

That would be great. All the conservatives could finally do what they wish to do in real-life since centuries and kill everyone who is able to think on his own 

[C9316]

Tirigon wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

How about an option to become more involved in the Chantry and punish some filthy blood-mages. Perhaps it would make getting Templar skills a bit more involved?

That would be great. All the conservatives could finally do what they wish to do in real-life since centuries and kill everyone who is able to think on his own 

So anyone who wants an option to side with the chantry instead of a one sided "BURN ALL CHANTRIES!!!!!" option must be labeled a conservative? Maybe some of us just want more options in-game, and to think some people get so worked up politically over a fictional religion.

[SirShreK]

C9316 wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

How about an option to become more involved in the Chantry and punish some filthy blood-mages. Perhaps it would make getting Templar skills a bit more involved?

That would be great. All the conservatives could finally do what they wish to do in real-life since centuries and kill everyone who is able to think on his own 

So anyone who wants an option to side with the chantry instead of a one sided "BURN ALL CHANTRIES!!!!!" option must be labeled a conservative? Maybe some of us just want more options in-game, and to think some people get so worked up politically over a fictional religion.

Rationally speaking chantry has done much more good than it has done evil (Remember all the chantry board quests?). Its a dark fantasy after all.. Nothing's perfect....

[Tirigon]

C9316 wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

How about an option to become more involved in the Chantry and punish some filthy blood-mages. Perhaps it would make getting Templar skills a bit more involved?

That would be great. All the conservatives could finally do what they wish to do in real-life since centuries and kill everyone who is able to think on his own 

So anyone who wants an option to side with the chantry instead of a one sided "BURN ALL CHANTRIES!!!!!" option must be labeled a conservative? Maybe some of us just want more options in-game, and to think some people get so worked up politically over a fictional religion.

Oh not anyone, I´m sure of that. After all, even I had a playthrough as Chantry-loving Warrior lady who hates all mages and does whatever the Chantry  wishes and was, in general, a bit of an idiot.

My comment has to be directly linked to ReconTeam because it describes why HE wants the option.

[Tirigon]

SirShreK wrote...

Rationally speaking chantry has done much more good than it has done evil (Remember all the chantry board quests?). Its a dark fantasy after all.. Nothing's perfect....

Well, it really depends. If you think killing bad guys is doing good, then yes. But remember that bloodmages are the best when it comes to killing bad guys.

[Teddie Sage]

Rewatching the trailer, I  keep wondering how this whole new storyline will play out. And knowing Bioware, you'll be either forced to play WITH the Chantry or AGAINST it.

[RogueGeth]

Yeah, maybe Hawke will gain control of powerful city-state that is being invaded by qunari (tal' vasoth?) and when he get control of it he either gives it to the chantry or goes against the status quo in some way.

[bwbs98]

I wouldn't want an option to play against the chantry tbh, I wouldn't mind being allowed to show a bit of dissent or act as an apologist. Being able to destroy the chantry wouldn't be realistic because of the mindset of the people in the world, not many people would just stand by, so you'd very quickly have a huge army against you and you'd end up with a sword through your head lol, That's why I doubt they'll do it, bioware is trying to make a believable game world.

[bwbs98]

also, people need to remember that this is fantasy, there's no point trying to recreate our world in their world, it just ruins the magic of it all.

[OmbradelCerberos]

Naw, no burning for me, I just got out of my pyromaniac phase and actually I don't mind the Chantry and their preaching, as does none of my characters. If I wanted to set fire to everything and everyone that comes across as preachy in game... Oh boy, that would take some time and a lot of easily flammable materials.

Also I actually find the templars to be quite interesting, but that much is obvious, no? *points over shoulder at signature*

A while back, I even decided to play a mage, who actually liked and respected the templars a lot more than the mages, because a) they saved her from her mother, who turned into an abomination and she doesn't like the idea of every mage possibly being like her mum.

[Tsuga C]

Everwarden wrote...
Or perhaps the templars hurt/kill your sister and it gives you a deep, burning hatred for the order? I dunno, seems possible.

Possible?  Yes.  Very, very lame?  Double yes.  One would hope that we get something better than hackneyed 'ta Chantry/Templars are da stooopid meeniez.  Grrrr!' crapola. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Yeah... Being atheist and playing on a good path would also be interesting. Though it seems more fun to destroy the whole "religion", if you're playing evil or politically.

How exactly do you destroy a religion?
People in RL have been trying for hunderds of years to destroy christianity, and failed. It's practicly mission impossible.




With that said...interesting how for all the talk of evil of organized religion, the hate is oozing from the other side.

I'm not against religon, it's a very good way to stop an uneducated
populace from declining into the worst kinds of depravity, it's just
that smarter minds in the aforementioned populations are able to find a
way to twist religon to their own ends, usually towards the kind of
depravity and intolerence that the religons founders were trying to
stop.

Smarter minds will find a way to twist ANYTHING for their own needs. If you could compeltely remove religion from the world, little would change. People would simply abuse everything else they can...they are already doing it.
Everything that is lead by men is corruptable. EVERYTHING.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 16 septembre 2010 - 06:24 .

[Riona45]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

Yeah... Being atheist and playing on a good path would also be interesting. Though it seems more fun to destroy the whole "religion", if you're playing evil or politically.

How exactly do you destroy a religion?
People in RL have been trying for hunderds of years to destroy christianity, and failed. It's practicly mission impossible.


With that said...interesting how for all the talk of evil of organized religion, the hate is oozing from the other side.

Take this elsewhere please. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

jln.francisco wrote...
I'm positive the vials used to track mages are some kind of blood magic.

Nah. Blood magic is something different. Blood magic is powering your spells with life force. The vials are something completely different.


But really....Chantry evil? Destroying it would be good?
Don't know what kind of backwards logic that is based upon, but is clearly not the case.

The devs build a grey-ish world, which means you cannot clearly label the Chantry as evil. They don't consider it evil. Of course, that won't stop some people from trying. But canon isn't on their side:P

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 16 septembre 2010 - 06:38 .

[aaniadyen]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

jln.francisco wrote...
I'm positive the vials used to track mages are some kind of blood magic.

Nah. Blood magic is something different. Blood magic is powering your spells with life force. The vials are something completely different.


But really....Chantry evil? Destroying it would be good?
Don't know what kind of backwards logic that is based upon, but is clearly not the case.

The devs build a grey-ish world, which means you cannot clearly label the Chantry as evil. They don't consider it evil. Of course, that won't stop some people from trying. But canon isn't on their side:P

Actually, according to David Gaider, the creation and use of the phylacteries are technically blood magic.  The phylacteries are powered by the mage's blood inside of them. It is a more innocuous spell, but technically, it is BM.

As for destroying the chantry being good...I don't understand where anyone can come to that conclusion. They do a lot to help Thedas. It seems the only three types of people who think this Either A. Link it to Christianity in real life and transfer their negative feelings toward it to the Chantry for some reason. B. Mainly play a mage and are just pissed that they had such a horrible origin story (or something like that); and C. Somehow believe the Chantry consists of a bunch of mindless drones who do more harm than good. (again, no idea where they came up with that). Possibly a mix of all three.