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[RogueGeth]

My blood mage (if there is blood mage specialization) would join the United Reformation League!

[Dexa Moru]

How come there is so much chantry hate whenever I visit dragon age sites... the Chantry seems like ok people to me... Mages are dangerous, and should be supervised... blood mages are dangerous and should be killed.



I at least think they do more good than evil. They are kinda like Dragon Ages Jedi Order except they have people specialized with defeating Force sensitives supervising them rather than the Force Sensitives supervising themselves. What exactly have they done to deserve destruction?

[RogueGeth]

I don't hate it. I just think they have too much power over governments. Also they called an Exalted Marches on the Dales, calling them infidels, and nearly destroying an entire culture. Also blood mages, in my opinion, are like the four other classes of magic but amplified. An arse load of power, but an arse load of risk.

[captain.subtle]

Dexa Moru wrote...

How come there is so much chantry hate whenever I visit dragon age sites... the Chantry seems like ok people to me... Mages are dangerous, and should be supervised... blood mages are dangerous and should be killed.

I at least think they do more good than evil. They are kinda like Dragon Ages Jedi Order except they have people specialized with defeating Force sensitives supervising them rather than the Force Sensitives supervising themselves. What exactly have they done to deserve destruction?

You criminal you! You are committing a Sense crime here! That is you are acting sensibly.

[LobselVith8]

Dexa Moru wrote...

How come there is so much chantry hate whenever I visit dragon age sites... the Chantry seems like ok people to me... Mages are dangerous, and should be supervised... blood mages are dangerous and should be killed.

I at least think they do more good than evil. They are kinda like Dragon Ages Jedi Order except they have people specialized with defeating Force sensitives supervising them rather than the Force Sensitives supervising themselves. What exactly have they done to deserve destruction?

They're religious fanatics responsible for the destruction of the Dales and forcing the elves in the cities to adopt their religious views... They imprison mages for having magical abilities and let them be overseen by lyrium addicted soldiers... Mages are conditioned to be blood mages in order to survive if they flee the Circle... They're dangerous and need to be abolished.

[Batman90]

den wat?! there is not much morality. Atheist will let every possible disaster to be done.
Teenage mutant ninja turtles or league of extraordinary man?!
If it doesn't be evil it would be hilarious ../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png or boring like Invasion of hordes of Barbarians. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png

...what?

captain.subtle wrote...

You criminal you! You are committing a Sense crime here! That is you are acting sensibly.

That isn't sensible. If someone believed that in real life, then that person would be an illogical ultra-religious conservative.

Blood mages are dangerous, but should not be killed (Unless they are killed in defense), as the death penalty is barbaric and wrong. And just because mages have the potential to be dangerous doesn't mean that they should have all of their personal freedom stripped from them and live like prisoners (Again, ultra-religious conservative logic, right there).

In addition, organized religion is inherently wrong and deserves destruction by virtue that it exists.

Modifié par Batman90, 09 août 2010 - 09:08 .

[Teddie Sage]

The Chantry feels very like Catholicism. They have their Jesus, they have their freaks and they have their God and their Prophet. In other words, you could say Chantry/Catholicism is pretty much the same.

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 09 août 2010 - 09:28 .

[thegreateski]

Keep real religion out of this.

When the Chantry is destroyed I shall subject all their priests to the torture of "being locked in a dark room with lots of low-to-the-ground tables".

-Evil laugh-

Modifié par thegreateski, 09 août 2010 - 09:54 .

[OldMan91]

To undermine the political power of the Chantry, there must be something similar to the reformation or the enlightment. Intellectuals must question the role of the Chantry in everyday life and write about their findings or thoughts in manuscripts and books.



Philosophers like David Hume, John Locke, Montesquieu, Rousseau and such are needed desperately in Thedas.

[Teddie Sage]

Define "real" religion, thegreateski. lol

[thegreateski]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Define "real" religion, thegreateski. lol

Anything with a public church.

[Northern Sun]

I definitely want to go up against the chantry in DA2. After all, with an apostate sister(and we know what templars do to female apostates) we've got a perfect set-up for Hawke vs. Templars/Chantry.

[Bryy_Miller]

Teddie Sage wrote...

The Chantry feels very like Catholicism. They have their Jesus, they have their freaks and they have their God and their Prophet. In other words, you could say Chantry/Catholicism is pretty much the same.

Please. Religion in a video game? It must be representative of a real world religion!

thegreateski wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

Define "real" religion, thegreateski. lol

Anything with a public church.

Also, anything that is not fiction.

And before you start, I don't give a cr*p about what you view as fictional religions. We're talking about this in the context of a video game versus real life.

[steelfire_dragon]

Teddie Sage wrote...

The Chantry feels very like Catholicism. They have their Jesus, they have their freaks and they have their God and their Prophet. In other words, you could say Chantry/Catholicism is pretty much the same.

and one can see a bit of Islam in the chantry too......


but lets leave all of it out.



sounds like doesn't mean it is.

[Batman90]

I'm pretty sure BioWare themselves made it very clear that the Chantry is based on Catholicism. Arguing that there is "no comparison" and that we should "keep real world religion out of this" is to ignore that hard fact.

[thegreateski]

I would like to see this post of Bioware making it very clear that it's based on Catholicism.



If you do not have this source then you are simply talking out of your ass.



-polite-

[Tsuga C]

thegreateski wrote...

I would like to see this post of Bioware making it very clear that it's based on Catholicism.

If you do not have this source then you are simply talking out of your ass.

-polite-

The Chantry was loosely based upon the Medieval era Roman Catholic church.  This was much discussed on the old BioWare forums and is not news.

As for the overt hostility to religion, grow the Hell up, kiddies. 

Edit: If the bashing of real-life religion(s) continues, this thread will be reported and locked.  Knock it off.

Modifié par Tsuga C, 09 août 2010 - 11:05 .

[thegreateski]

*Goes post hunting in the old Bioware forums*

Modifié par thegreateski, 09 août 2010 - 11:06 .

[The Edge]

If it's based on Catholicism, the comparison could be just an anchor to keep the Chantry familiar to us, even if it is in a fantasy setting. (or at least this is my opinion)



Even so, we should be pro/against the Chantry based on a fantasy setting, not on what it could be compared to in our world. I don't think that is what Bioware intended anyways.

[Bryy_Miller]

Batman90 wrote...

I'm pretty sure BioWare themselves made it very clear that the Chantry is based on Catholicism. Arguing that there is "no comparison" and that we should "keep real world religion out of this" is to ignore that hard fact.

Well, regardless of the cold, hard fact if it is true.... we, as the viewer/player, should keep real world worldviews out of our fiction. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Batman90 wrote...

I'm pretty sure BioWare themselves made it very clear that the Chantry is based on Catholicism. Arguing that there is "no comparison" and that we should "keep real world religion out of this" is to ignore that hard fact.

Well, regardless of the cold, hard fact if it is true.... we, as the viewer/player, should keep real world worldviews out of our fiction. 

Easier said than done.  For example, I as a real life person strongly dislike wangst.  Therefore when I play video games, I strongly dislike wangsty characters, even in role-playing games where I'm playing characters I KNOW are different from myself.  I do a good job of separating player vs. character knowledge, but it's harder to separate player vs. character FEELINGS and preferences.

[The Edge]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Batman90 wrote...

I'm pretty sure BioWare themselves made it very clear that the Chantry is based on Catholicism. Arguing that there is "no comparison" and that we should "keep real world religion out of this" is to ignore that hard fact.

Well, regardless of the cold, hard fact if it is true.... we, as the viewer/player, should keep real world worldviews out of our fiction. 

Maybe, but I think, if done in the right way, the fiction could be that much more grounded. If you draw from real world history to create a fictional universe, and have the characters differentiate based on their biases, then the world could look all that more real to us. As long as your whole world isn't based on bias, it could work.

Well, at least in my opinion...

[Bryy_Miller]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Batman90 wrote...

I'm pretty sure BioWare themselves made it very clear that the Chantry is based on Catholicism. Arguing that there is "no comparison" and that we should "keep real world religion out of this" is to ignore that hard fact.

Well, regardless of the cold, hard fact if it is true.... we, as the viewer/player, should keep real world worldviews out of our fiction. 

Easier said than done.  For example, I as a real life person strongly dislike wangst.  Therefore when I play video games, I strongly dislike wangsty characters, even in role-playing games where I'm playing characters I KNOW are different from myself.  I do a good job of separating player vs. character knowledge, but it's harder to separate player vs. character FEELINGS and preferences.

I get what you're saying, but that's a completely different topic. I think. I was more talking about how you had to separate your views that Cylons are not living beings because God did not make them.