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Bioware, why Duncan?


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TheRevanchist

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I can understand killing Duncan to a certin degree. However why would you kill him at the very beginning of the game after you used him as the primary poster boy for Origins? I thought that was a really great character and was hoping he would be like a father figure to your character throughout the game. Duncan's death was harder for me to experience then anything else in that entire game.

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Bryy_Miller

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Then they did their jobs.

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As cool as Duncan is...



Riordan > Duncan



Duncan gets owned by some random axe-wielding darkspawn. Riordan dies fighting the Archdemon himself, and manages to so severely wound the Archdemon in the process that it gets grounded on top of Fort Drakon.

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kylecouch wrote...

I can understand killing Duncan to a certin degree. However why would you kill him at the very beginning of the game after you used him as the primary poster boy for Origins? I thought that was a really great character and was hoping he would be like a father figure to your character throughout the game. Duncan's death was harder for me to experience then anything else in that entire game.


Duncan was the Commander of the Grey Wardens in Ferelden, he had to die for another Warden to take his place (hint : you).

If he was alive there would be no purpose to the story cause he would have done it instead. Or, it is possible that Flemeth could have saved him, but chose not to because she wanted you.

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Just forget this post nothing to see here.

Modifié par Gandalf-the-Fabulous, 09 août 2010 - 01:08 .


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Confirmed by devs... Duncan IS dead.



Still, Riordan was far more awesome. I mean, Duncan kills a human being with a knoife, Riordan kills a guard behind the bars by cracking his... throat... bone... or how you call it :P

Riordan cuts the archdemon's wing and falls down to a truck full of junk and gets to the isle of Awesome, Duncan looks at the tower while staying literally on the dead body of the king and making a "rargh maybe" face when an alpha charges against him.




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Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Who says Duncan is dead?


David Gaider. Multiple times.

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dark-lauron wrote...

Confirmed by devs... Duncan IS dead.

Still, Riordan was far more awesome. I mean, Duncan kills a human being with a knoife, Riordan kills a guard behind the bars by cracking his... throat... bone... or how you call it :P


Usually it is called breaking someones neck.

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Duncan took a two-handed axe to the face in Dragon Age Origins, so yes we did see him die.



I suppose Bioware could always bring him back if they really wanted to, but it would be beyond lame. As of DA:O there was no mystery as to his fate. He was dead, and bringing him back in a sequel is a major retcon.

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Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
Usually it is called breaking someones neck.

Yep, that's it, super thanks :D

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They can always get a Necromancer and bring him back as your enemy

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My problem with Duncan dying in the way and in the point in the story he did was that it didn't really affect me personally. Apparently I traveled with Duncan to Ostagar but I didn't actually get to see the traveling. I didn't get to get close to Duncan or really find out who he is. It would be awesome if we actually got to play traveling with Duncan to Ostagar, and get to talk to him. Didn't happen though. In DA:O it felt like he died too early, before I really got to appreciate his character.

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Duncan was also about to die he was hearing his calling i think

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Fear not.



Duncan's beard lives on.

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Collider wrote...

My problem with Duncan dying in the way and in the point in the story he did was that it didn't really affect me personally. Apparently I traveled with Duncan to Ostagar but I didn't actually get to see the traveling. I didn't get to get close to Duncan or really find out who he is. It would be awesome if we actually got to play traveling with Duncan to Ostagar, and get to talk to him. Didn't happen though. In DA:O it felt like he died too early, before I really got to appreciate his character.

This is what I'm talking about, I dont care if they killed him later on. I just wanted time to get to know the guy better before he dies. At least Duncan's beard lives on through Hawke. Thats also the reason Riordan seems cooler. Duncan never really had time to show what he was actually capable of. That could have been how he died, doing the most heroic suicidel bum rush into one hundred enemies type of thing. But honestly cutting the Archdemons wing? any Grey Warden could have done that given the chance.

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kylecouch wrote...

Collider wrote...

My problem with Duncan dying in the way and in the point in the story he did was that it didn't really affect me personally. Apparently I traveled with Duncan to Ostagar but I didn't actually get to see the traveling. I didn't get to get close to Duncan or really find out who he is. It would be awesome if we actually got to play traveling with Duncan to Ostagar, and get to talk to him. Didn't happen though. In DA:O it felt like he died too early, before I really got to appreciate his character.

This is what I'm talking about, I dont care if they killed him later on. I just wanted time to get to know the guy better before he dies. At least Duncan's beard lives on through Hawke. Thats also the reason Riordan seems cooler. Duncan never really had time to show what he was actually capable of. That could have been how he died, doing the most heroic suicidel bum rush into one hundred enemies type of thing. But honestly cutting the Archdemons wing? any Grey Warden could have done that given the chance.


I repeat:
Then BioWare did their jobs well.

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Meh, I'm fine with Bioware killing Duncan off that soon. I didn't like the guy much anyway. Didn't even give Jory the choice of drinking the darkspawn blood or be killed on the spot.

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That wasn't Duncan's personal choice. That is simply Grey Warden rules, at least to my understanding. Like they say, "There is no going back". Besides that Jory was kind of a coward, Yea his wifes carrying a baby. But he wasn't willing to make sacrifices in order to protect his family.

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Duncan was gonna die soon anyway. The game described him as "old," and the grey wardens naturally don't live much.

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George Lucas, why did you kill Obi-Wan so early in Star Wars, especially when he led Luke to becoming a Jedi?



Oh wait, that's right, because it's a good story element to CAUSE THE MAIN CHARACTER TO GROW UP.

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BigOzzie wrote...

Duncan was also about to die he was hearing his calling i think


Good point.

Even if Duncan had been a party member and survived the events of DA:O, he'd likely be long dead by the closing of DA2. Duncan was very close to the calling.

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Mister Mida wrote...

Meh, I'm fine with Bioware killing Duncan off that soon. I didn't like the guy much anyway. Didn't even give Jory the choice of drinking the darkspawn blood or be killed on the spot.


I don't know about you but Jory attacked Duncan first, Duncan slew him in self defense.

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Dynamomark wrote...

Duncan was gonna die soon anyway. The game described him as "old," and the grey wardens naturally don't live much.


Chances are, he'd hold off sending himself to his death until the Blight was resolved.

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RevengeofNewton wrote...

George Lucas, why did you kill Obi-Wan so early in Star Wars, especially when he led Luke to becoming a Jedi?

Oh wait, that's right, because it's a good story element to CAUSE THE MAIN CHARACTER TO GROW UP.


I'm not completely agreeing with the OP but, you don't really get to see the master/apprentice relationship you see with Luke and Obi-Wan. What have is a man popping up into your life from nowhere, saving/conscripting you and then he's dead without so much as a 'how do you do.'  It would be like killing Obi-Wan ten seconds after that droid scene. It's worse even because you're character doesn't have anytime to really feel anything for him.

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Modifié par Dynamomark, 08 août 2010 - 10:05 .