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[Dynamomark]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Dynamomark wrote...

Duncan was gonna die soon anyway. The game described him as "old," and the grey wardens naturally don't live much.

Chances are, he'd hold off sending himself to his death until the Blight was resolved.

At least he got a chance to die by the side of his king rather than somewhere in deeproads.

[thegreateski]

Dynamomark wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Dynamomark wrote...

Duncan was gonna die soon anyway. The game described him as "old," and the grey wardens naturally don't live much.

Chances are, he'd hold off sending himself to his death until the Blight was resolved.

At least he got a chance to die by the side of his king rather than somewhere in deeproads.

Both deaths are equally . . .

*king cailan hair toss*

GLORIOUS.

Modifié par thegreateski, 08 août 2010 - 10:09 .

[captain.subtle]

Obi Wan Kenobi. Died in the First part of the OT. He had a beard. Luke was forced to seek his help after his beloved family was killed. He drafted Luke into an obscure/esoteric order of Knights on a great quest.....



Wow. By dropping details I can force anything to sound like Star Wars.

[Dave of Canada]

captain.subtle wrote...

Obi Wan Kenobi. Died in the First part of the OT. He had a beard. Luke was forced to seek his help after his beloved family was killed. He drafted Luke into an obscure/esoteric order of Knights on a great quest.....

Wow. By dropping details I can force anything to sound like Star Wars.

Can you make Bohemian Rhapsody sound like Star Wars?

[captain.subtle]

it has Guitar SOLO. What else do you want? That's a blatant Plagarism!

[SirOccam]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

It has been hinted that Duncan will return in Dragon Age 2 as apparently one of the party members in Dragon Age 2 is a disgraced grey warden who fled the battle at Ostagar, could that be Duncan?

Duncan's definitely dead, but where did you hear this hint that one of the party members could be a disgraced Grey Warden?

kylecouch wrote...

That wasn't Duncan's personal choice.
That is simply Grey Warden rules, at least to my understanding. Like
they say, "There is no going back".

Hmm, sounds like that could have been an interesting storyline opportunity in Awakening. Have someone try to back out. Then would your Warden kill him/her like Duncan did, or not? Then what would be the ramifications of your (in-)action?

Of course, this would also require that your Warden actually administer the Joining, as is only proper, instead of sit there as a spectator as Varel does it all. *Grumble, grumble* Don't think I'll ever get over that.

Dave of Canada wrote...

I don't know about you but Jory attacked Duncan first, Duncan slew him in self defense.

No way, man, DUNCAN SHOT STABBED FIRST!

captain.subtle wrote...

Obi Wan Kenobi. Died in the First
part of the OT. He had a beard. Luke was forced to seek his help after
his beloved family was killed. He drafted Luke into an obscure/esoteric
order of Knights on a great quest.....

Wow. By dropping details I can force anything to sound like Star Wars.

I don't think it's so much sounding like Star Wars as it is BOTH stories borrowing from the monomyth/hero's journey archetypes.

Modifié par SirOccam, 08 août 2010 - 10:29 .

[captain.subtle]

SirOccam wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

Obi Wan Kenobi. Died in the First
part of the OT. He had a beard. Luke was forced to seek his help after
his beloved family was killed. He drafted Luke into an obscure/esoteric
order of Knights on a great quest.....

Wow. By dropping details I can force anything to sound like Star Wars.

I don't think it's so much sounding like Star Wars as it is BOTH stories borrowing from the monomyth/hero's journey archetypes.

I waz only try'na be funny

[Legbiter]

The way some people refuse to accept the fact of Duncan's death means the writers know their stuff.

[captain.subtle]

Legbiter wrote...

The way some people refuse to accept the fact of Duncan's death means the writers know their stuff.

Non sequitur?

[Collider]

jln.francisco wrote...

RevengeofNewton wrote...

George Lucas, why did you kill Obi-Wan so early in Star Wars, especially when he led Luke to becoming a Jedi?

Oh wait, that's right, because it's a good story element to CAUSE THE MAIN CHARACTER TO GROW UP.

I'm not completely agreeing with the OP but, you don't really get to see the master/apprentice relationship you see with Luke and Obi-Wan. What have is a man popping up into your life from nowhere, saving/conscripting you and then he's dead without so much as a 'how do you do.'  It would be like killing Obi-Wan ten seconds after that droid scene. It's worse even because you're character doesn't have anytime to really feel anything for him.

Yes, exactly my point. I didn't really feel Duncan's death. Besides him beying the leader of the Grey Wardens, we didn't know anything about him. Almost like just some random soldier had died instead. I actually felt worse about Cailan dying, even when we spend less time with him.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

You mean, the guy who flapped in like a vulture as my family was being murdered and then levered my dad into a Faustian deal for my soul just before my dad coughed up his lungful of blood (as though I wasn't standing there)? The guy who invoked his supposed Right of Conscription to force me into his bizarre and poorly-managed little cult (and who later demonstrated in a most bloody fashion what would have happened to me had I resisted)?



Yes, I cried when he died, but only because his death came a few weeks too late.

[captain.subtle]

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

You mean, the guy who flapped in like a vulture as my family was being murdered and then levered my dad into a Faustian deal for my soul just before my dad coughed up his lungful of blood (as though I wasn't standing there)? The guy who invoked his supposed Right of Conscription to force me into his bizarre and poorly-managed little cult (and who later demonstrated in a most bloody fashion what would have happened to me had I resisted)?

Yes, I cried when he died, but only because his death came a few weeks too late.

<3:O:wizard::innocent:

I am NOT alone!

I was like, "Waitaminute, Why am I a Grey Warden???? I could have escaped on my own!"

Modifié par captain.subtle, 08 août 2010 - 11:06 .

[Dave of Canada]

captain.subtle wrote...

I was like, "Waitaminute, Why am I a Grey Warden???? I could have escaped on my own!"

Considering how every other Origin had a bad fate, regardless of Ducan or not, the young Cousland probably either got killed in his own room at the start or didn't escape the Castle considering how the Castle was surrounded by soldiers and he had to sneak away (Duncan helped him escape in the playable version).

[captain.subtle]

Dave of Canada wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

I was like, "Waitaminute, Why am I a Grey Warden???? I could have escaped on my own!"

Considering how every other Origin had a bad fate, regardless of Ducan or not, the young Cousland probably either got killed in his own room at the start or didn't escape the Castle considering how the Castle was surrounded by soldiers and he had to sneak away (Duncan helped him escape in the playable version).

I could do that better Alone. I maxed out the stealth skill.... . Duncan kept attacking everybody and killing them . Noisy bas*ard.

Modifié par captain.subtle, 08 août 2010 - 11:13 .

[Dave of Canada]

captain.subtle wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

I was like, "Waitaminute, Why am I a Grey Warden???? I could have escaped on my own!"

Considering how every other Origin had a bad fate, regardless of Ducan or not, the young Cousland probably either got killed in his own room at the start or didn't escape the Castle considering how the Castle was surrounded by soldiers and he had to sneak away (Duncan helped him escape in the playable version).

I could do that better Alone. I maxed out the stealth skill.... . Duncan kept attacking everybody and killing them . Noisy bas*ard.

You're silly, they never saw him. His beard shrouded him in the night.

[captain.subtle]

Dave of Canada wrote...

You're silly, they never saw him. His beard shrouded him in the night.

Which beard of his?

Anyway. YOu know where he was all the time the fighting was going on in the castle? He was hiding in the fruit basket in the Kitchens!

Before that he was hiding in an urn in the main hall  when the Teyrn, who was dressed in bright red and yellow like a clown, got stabbed. There came Ser Gilmore and Killed every other villain in that room allowing Duncan to come out. He then made a big show of dragging the already injured Teyrn to the Kitchens, exacerbating the injury even further. Putting him on the ground he himself hid in the fruit basket waiting for the Hero to arrive. So much for that Epic beard....

[Dave of Canada]

captain.subtle wrote...

Which beard of his?

It's too epic for pictures.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Meh, I'm fine with Bioware killing Duncan off that soon. I didn't like the guy much anyway. Didn't even give Jory the choice of drinking the darkspawn blood or be killed on the spot.

I don't know about you but Jory attacked Duncan first, Duncan slew him in self defense.

Horsecrap. Jory had his sword out, but he was scuttling backwards toward a pillar away from Duncan who was advancing on him. He just wanted to be left alone. Jory getting killed was probably the thing that hit me as a big grey morality thing in the game. I was surprised afterward getting the chance to react and hearing, 'I slew him in self-defense, had no choice.' Was pretty pissed I couldn't punch Duncan after hearing that. He clearly killed him because he didn't want anyone talking about the Joining ritual.

[captain.subtle]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Meh, I'm fine with Bioware killing Duncan off that soon. I didn't like the guy much anyway. Didn't even give Jory the choice of drinking the darkspawn blood or be killed on the spot.

I don't know about you but Jory attacked Duncan first, Duncan slew him in self defense.

Horsecrap. Jory had his sword out, but he was scuttling backwards toward a pillar away from Duncan who was advancing on him. He just wanted to be left alone. Jory getting killed was probably the thing that hit me as a big grey morality thing in the game. I was surprised afterward getting the chance to react and hearing, 'I slew him in self-defense, had no choice.' Was pretty pissed I couldn't punch Duncan after hearing that. He clearly killed him because he didn't want anyone talking about the Joining ritual.

Hey! Han shot first!

Modifié par captain.subtle, 08 août 2010 - 11:30 .

[Dave of Canada]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Meh, I'm fine with Bioware killing Duncan off that soon. I didn't like the guy much anyway. Didn't even give Jory the choice of drinking the darkspawn blood or be killed on the spot.

I don't know about you but Jory attacked Duncan first, Duncan slew him in self defense.

Horsecrap. Jory had his sword out, but he was scuttling backwards toward a pillar away from Duncan who was advancing on him. He just wanted to be left alone. Jory getting killed was probably the thing that hit me as a big grey morality thing in the game. I was surprised afterward getting the chance to react and hearing, 'I slew him in self-defense, had no choice.' Was pretty pissed I couldn't punch Duncan after hearing that. He clearly killed him because he didn't want anyone talking about the Joining ritual.

He told Jory there wasn't going to be any turning back, Jory withdrew his blade and started moving away from Duncan. As Duncan approached, Jory swung at him with his blade and got stabbed as a result. Maybe Duncan would've killed him regardless (highly likely) but as it stands, Greed- I mean Jory swung first.

[Arthur Cousland]

Maybe Duncan's ghost could make an appearance like Obi Wan did later on....j/k.



While I understand that Duncan's death was neccessary for plot purposes, it would have been nice to get to know him better beforehand. You know so little about this legendary figure before he makes his exit. That's one reason why I wouldn't mind seeing a Duncan dlc, kind of like Leliana's Song, which let's us learn more about the guy who becomes the leader of the Fereldan Wardens. (yes, I know there's a book, but I'd prefer to actually be in the story than read about it)

[captain.subtle]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

While I understand that Duncan's death was neccessary for plot purposes

C'mon! Why? Wynne escaped unscathed!

Modifié par captain.subtle, 08 août 2010 - 11:34 .

[DaringMoosejaw]

Dave of Canada wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Meh, I'm fine with Bioware killing Duncan off that soon. I didn't like the guy much anyway. Didn't even give Jory the choice of drinking the darkspawn blood or be killed on the spot.

I don't know about you but Jory attacked Duncan first, Duncan slew him in self defense.

Horsecrap. Jory had his sword out, but he was scuttling backwards toward a pillar away from Duncan who was advancing on him. He just wanted to be left alone. Jory getting killed was probably the thing that hit me as a big grey morality thing in the game. I was surprised afterward getting the chance to react and hearing, 'I slew him in self-defense, had no choice.' Was pretty pissed I couldn't punch Duncan after hearing that. He clearly killed him because he didn't want anyone talking about the Joining ritual.

He told Jory there wasn't going to be any turning back, Jory withdrew his blade and started moving away from Duncan. As Duncan approached, Jory swung at him with his blade and got stabbed as a result. Maybe Duncan would've killed him regardless (highly likely) but as it stands, Greed- I mean Jory swung first.

Duncan was advancing on him while Jory had his sword out. Then Duncan drew HIS sword. Here you are, you're trying to get away, and some guy is advancing on you and just drew his sword while he continued. The aggressor is clear, even if Jory swung first. If you were cornered in a dark alley, drew a gun to try to scare the guy away (didn't even shoot immediately) and the guy coming toward you drew HIS gun, what were you going to do? Wait for him to shoot first? It's pretty obvious what he plans to do.

[Arthur Cousland]

captain.subtle wrote...

Arthur Cousland wrote...

While I understand that Duncan's death was neccessary for plot purposes

C'mon! Why? Wynne escaped unscathed!

Good point.  At least you still have the option to kill Wynne, I if you wanted.

It made me wonder, how since the Circle sent so few mages, and yet most if not all of them are alive after the events at Ostagar.  What were they doing and why weren't they using their amazing cc abilities during the battle?  Did they not want to get their robes dirty?