Aedan_Cousland wrote...
The Archdemon was wounded by Riordan and incapable of anything but short bursts of flight. It was stranded on the roof of Fort Drakon when you first encounter it.
Modifié par Dave of Canada, 09 août 2010 - 02:24 .
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Aedan_Cousland wrote...
Speculation.
They might have been able to do it. They may have also tried and failed. Considering the old maxim that even the best laid plans don't survive contact with the enemy, Riordan taking a shot at the beast when the oppurtunity presented itself makes sense.
Dave of Canada wrote...
Aedan_Cousland wrote...
The Archdemon was wounded by Riordan and incapable of anything but short bursts of flight. It was stranded on the roof of Fort Drakon when you first encounter it.
Darkspawn Chronicles also shows the Archdemon flying away in triumph.
Aedan_Cousland wrote...
Darkspawn Chronicles isn't canon.
It's just a fun expansion where you get to play as the darkspawn in a universe where your Warden died during his or her origin story. The canon outcome is the defeat of the Blight and the death of the Archdemon.
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Dave of Canada wrote...
Aedan_Cousland wrote...
Darkspawn Chronicles isn't canon.
It's just a fun expansion where you get to play as the darkspawn in a universe where your Warden died during his or her origin story. The canon outcome is the defeat of the Blight and the death of the Archdemon.
Riordin still did his suicidal attack and still got the Archdemon ontop of the Fort, though.
jln.francisco wrote...
Aedan_Cousland wrote...
Speculation.
They might have been able to do it. They may have also tried and failed. Considering the old maxim that even the best laid plans don't survive contact with the enemy, Riordan taking a shot at the beast when the oppurtunity presented itself makes sense.
I agree.
But his success was entirely inadvertant and given how important Warden's are to actually killing the thing it was a damn foolish thing to do. He had no way of knowing if you and Alisatir/Loghain was still alive and risking that much for what could have been so little pay off (the Arcdemon might have simply shrugged him off) is stupid.
Modifié par Danjaru, 09 août 2010 - 02:53 .
Yeah, this topic should be moved to the DAO forum.wwwwowwww wrote...
What does this topic have to do with DA2?
Ash Wind wrote...
I think its more the atypical literary plot point in the ‘Hero’s Journey’: Loss of the Mentor. At a point in time the potential Hero must take what he/she is learning and go it alone.
It gives increases the Hero’s chances of failure, creates a more dire situation making the story more epic and dramatic. One minute, its we have a chance, we have this wise powerful warrior on our side, a couple of cinematic cuts later, it’s the PC and Alistair.
After the Battle of Ostagar, there’s really no place for Duncan in the story. As cool and badass as he was, he couldn’t be in your party, or else he would be leading the party and not you. You could make up some empty side quest, recruiting more Grey Wardens or such, but that would have reduced his character. I think they got it right.
And I’d agree, Riordan had a much more epic end than Duncan.
Riona45 wrote...
I have to agree that DA:O never sold Duncan as a mentor to the PC. It did a good job of selling him as a savior, yes.* But if he was a mentor to my character, it must of happened mostly offscreen, on the road from the origin to Ostagar.
*I know some see him as a ruthless blackmailer, etc., but the bottomline is you are alive and/or unpunished thanks to him.
Modifié par In Exile, 09 août 2010 - 05:18 .
captain.subtle wrote...
Arthur Cousland wrote...
While I understand that Duncan's death was neccessary for plot purposes
C'mon! Why? Wynne escaped unscathed!
He had no way of knowing when another opportunity would present itself. And it was a pretty decent opportunity at that. Hindsight is 20/20. If he hadn't attempted that, how much longer would the AD have flown around, untouched, wreaking havoc? For all we know, the AD could have gotten a lucky hit on the Warden's party and killed them. Then everyone would be yelling about what a coward he was for not taking the opportunity when it presented itself.thenemesis77 wrote...
This says it all, how the hell did
he not know you were not dead or Alisatir. When it went to the cut of
showing Riordan up on the tower, I was like.....WTF is he doing up there
and then the guy jumps off the damn tower and all I could think was
EPIC FAIL!....and yea he did, fell like a fool. The only think I could
think of was that he was old and wanted to go out stealing the damn show
from me and I was like go ahead and die. He wanted all the people to
cry him a river for his leap of death!
In Exile wrote...
The problem is, in allowing you to start off as someone who is not a Grey Warden and might not ever want to be one, Bioware absolutely has created the problem of selling you on the role of the Wardens. And they fail completely. Beside making Duncan potentially unlikable, they show you no other Grey Wardens. Why should you care a group of people you never met and might well have been kidnapped into joining (who forced you to drink some magical alteration drink under penalty of death) are all murdered?
Modifié par SDNcN, 09 août 2010 - 05:23 .
SirOccam wrote...
To force the GW into a leadership role. And to give Alistair something to brood/grieve over.
He had no way of knowing when another opportunity would present itself. And it was a pretty decent opportunity at that. Hindsight is 20/20. If he hadn't attempted that, how much longer would the AD have flown around, untouched, wreaking havoc? For all we know, the AD could have gotten a lucky hit on the Warden's party and killed them. Then everyone would be yelling about what a coward he was for not taking the opportunity when it presented itself.
But instead, he saw his chance and went for it, without regard for his own safety.
SDNcN wrote...
In Exile wrote...
The problem is, in allowing you to start off as someone who is not a Grey Warden and might not ever want to be one, Bioware absolutely has created the problem of selling you on the role of the Wardens. And they fail completely. Beside making Duncan potentially unlikable, they show you no other Grey Wardens. Why should you care a group of people you never met and might well have been kidnapped into joining (who forced you to drink some magical alteration drink under penalty of death) are all murdered?
I never understood the reasoning for leaving the other Wardens off-screen at Ostagar. It took me a second playthrough before I actually understood that Duncan and Alistair weren't the only Warden's at Ostagar.
In Exile wrote...
What leadership role?
You're a bunch of rag-tag misfits trying to desperately convince everyone within earshot that a blight is coming and it'd be a pretty nifty idea if we all banded toghether to stop it.
The Warden doesn't do any meaningful commanding at all. Hell, Alistair/Anora and Eamon are the ones that march on Denerim, and Alistair/Anora is the one very visibly commands the amry
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