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[Cessaffemt]

Edit: 

This thread is rendered null and void. Moderators, please delete. My retractment post is copied below:
Hi again folks. I would just like to retract my statement about dragon age triggering the problem I had with my previous 5770 - The problem with the 5770 was unrelated to the game. Apparently the one I got used a different 6 pin PCI-E connector than the one that has worked for previous cards. So if Dragon age: origins works fine for you on the 5770, go right ahead, you should have no problem. I will edit my top post so that anyone searching this forum will not be misled into thinking that dragon age will not run on the 5770. I have not tested it as such, but plenty of others have run the game without incident using the 5770.

Original posts now follow.


Hey folks, I'm familiar with the 3870 "no signal" error in ostragar and certain other areas of the game (although I never got past ostregar because of it).

Sadly, the same problem fried my 5770 as well (anything graphically demanding after 15 minutes of dragon age wouldn't work for more than a minute - I'd just get a black screen), and I'd like to know what hardware, drivers, and settings those with the Radeon HD 5770 are able to run dragon age without frying the card. Thankfully the card was still under warranty so I just RMAd and it should arrive this week. I know that some folks can run it with similar hardware, I just want to know what I'm doing wrong :[

The hardware/setting/etc when I ran dragon age: 

Vista Ultimate 64 Bit with all updates installed
Phenom X4 9600 2.3ghz with and without the tlb errata fix
Radeon HD 5770 with most current (10.7) drivers from amd/ati.
MSI K9A2 Platinum V1
4GB DDR2 800Mhz OCZ Memory

Steam Version - DAOrigins is 1.04, the launcher is 1.01, the config is 1.03

1024x768 Windowed
High graphics detail
No Anti Aliasing
High texture detail
Vsync, frame buffer effects, and all other checkboxes unchecked.

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I just noticed something when I opened up the dragon age launcher, though. This game uses Nvidia PhysX? Steam just required me to reinstall it. I'm not sure if that matters, but I felt I should mention it.

My hardware will remain the same with the exception that now I have a Phenom II X4 3.4 GHz which is a nice upgrade from my old cpu.

Any help getting dragon age running without my 5770 frying when it arrives would be fabulous :]

Modifié par Cessaffemt, 12 août 2010 - 04:41 .

[Gorath Alpha]

Since I have not had major difficulty with the HD 3870 I have, I imagine there must be other factors at work, and I have commented on that in one of the most active threads about the card versus this game.  The most basic trouble shooting technique in Windows is the Clean Boot diagnostic procedure described by Microsoft.  You need to get rid of any and all programs and services that are not absolutely essential. 

The only thing that I have noticed with Dragon Age and Radeon cards is the same thing as with Geforces, although with far less frequency.  I have been able to use rather few of the newer Geforce drivers, and always roll back to one or another fairly "old" ones for my 8800 GT (I acquired my 9800 GT so late in the year that I haven't used it much yet -- it's in a part of the house that isn't used a lot, and is more expensive to cool with the room AC in there).  The HD 4850 Radeon is somewhat more flexible about Catalyst Driver versions, but some of those do not work well enough to suit me for the HD 3870. 

[JackM]

I'm pretty sure that your problem is related to graphic card overheating. With such a powerfull system, v-sync off and low resolution display for dragon age, your card should be getting very high in temp because it renders so much frames per second. If you want to keep such a low resolution, I really suggest that you activate VSync. This will limits the number of frame rendered per second and so reduce the card temp.

As DA:O is not an FPS game, there is no problem using VSync option. It will limits the max number of frames per second to your monitor frequency (60 with an LCD monitor) and prevent image tearing. If you want to override this limit and gain between 5-15 frame par second without tearing, you can also activate Triple Buffering for DirectX. (Note: the Triple Buffering option present in CCC is only for OpenGL. To activate Triple Buffering for DirectX, you can use an utility like RadeonPro that allows to create game-specific profile.)

FYI, I am running DA:O with a ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4850 (XP SP3, 3GB RAM, Core2 Duo 3.3 GHz, Catalyst 10.7) using the following settings: 1920x1080, All settings on High or Very High expect no AA (really not required at this resolution), Frame Buffer Effects On, VSync On, Triple Buffering and AFx8 with RadeonPro. I never have any overheating issue. My current fps in the game is 30-45 outdoor and 40-60 indoor.

Modifié par JackM, 08 août 2010 - 11:53 .

[Cessaffemt]

Gorath Alpha wrote...

Since I have not had major difficulty with the HD 3870 I have, I imagine there must be other factors at work, and I have commented on that in one of the most active threads about the card versus this game.  The most basic trouble shooting technique in Windows is the Clean Boot diagnostic procedure described by Microsoft.  You need to get rid of any and all programs and services that are not absolutely essential. 

The only thing that I have noticed with Dragon Age and Radeon cards is the same thing as with Geforces, although with far less frequency.  I have been able to use rather few of the newer Geforce drivers, and always roll back to one or another fairly "old" ones for my 8800 GT (I acquired my 9800 GT so late in the year that I haven't used it much yet -- it's in a part of the house that isn't used a lot, and is more expensive to cool with the room AC in there).  The HD 4850 Radeon is somewhat more flexible about Catalyst Driver versions, but some of those do not work well enough to suit me for the HD 3870. 

Thank you for your reply Gorath Alpha. Could you please tell me on what drivers & settings you run dragon age: origins v1.04 on? To make sure everything is the same when I try it again.

[Cessaffemt]

Thank you for your reply, JackM!

JackM wrote...

I'm pretty sure that your problem is related to graphic card overheating. With such a powerfull system, v-sync off and low resolution display for dragon age, your card should be getting very high in temp because it renders so much frames per second. If you want to keep such a low resolution, I really suggest that you activate VSync. This will limits the number of frame rendered per second and so reduce the card temp.

Oh really? I didn't know that - I just never really touched vsync and it was off by default. To be honest, I ran in 1024x768 because that's a decent window size, and I generally play on low resolutions with my 3870 so it doesn't have to work too hard. Conversely, I guess it works harder than it needs to!

JackM wrote...
FYI, I am running DA:O with a ATI Mobility Radeon Pro (XP SP3, 3GB RAM, Core2 Duo 3.3 GHz) using the following settings: 1920x1080, All settings on High or Very High expect no AA (really not required at this resolution), Frame Buffer Effects On, VSync On, Triple Buffering and AFx8 with RadeonPro. I never have any overheating issue. My current fps in the game is 30-45 outdoor and 40-60 indoor.

Fascinating. Perhaps it truly could be vsync? I'll give it a shot at least.
Edit: but I'll wait for gorath who's also using a 3870 to tell me what the exact setup is so I can reproduce more or less the setup Gorath has.

Modifié par Cessaffemt, 09 août 2010 - 01:17 .

[Cessaffemt]

Actually, you know what? I took your advice and turned on vsync and just tried dragon age again, and just like last time everything worked completely fine throughout the origin story. Absolutely flawless performance on high graphics/detail at 1680x1050.



But the very second after ostregar loads and the king starts talking, I get a no signal error. Whatever. I give up. I don't want to burn my 5770 with this game when it arrives.

[JackM]

There is a thread (and perhaps fix) concerning this issue with 3870 here:
http://social.biowar.../index/544125/1

Modifié par JackM, 09 août 2010 - 09:58 .

[Cessaffemt]

Sadly, I had tried that before I got my previous 5770 with no luck. Oh well. I guess I'll pass on the dragon age series. At least mass effect 1 and 2 have given me no problems (although I have now turned on vsync by your suggestion just in case) and have been fabulous games. Who knows, maybe there'll be a patch or driver update that fixes this, but I wont hold my breath :[

[Cessaffemt]

Hi again folks. I would just like to retract my statement about dragon age triggering the problem I had with my previous 5770 - The problem with the 5770 was unrelated to the game. Apparently the one I got used a different 6 pin PCI-E connector than the one that has worked for previous cards. So if Dragon age: origins works fine for you on the 5770, go right ahead, you should have no problem. I will edit my top post so that anyone searching this forum will not be misled into thinking that dragon age will not run on the 5770. I have not tested it as such, but plenty of others have run the game without incident using the 5770.

[samix132]

hi! well i have hd 5770 and it doesn't overheat but is certainly running hotter in DAO than in other games, exept in last remnant it's 75-80c in stock and in DAO its 60c-70c. I hope my card breaks and maybe i get my moneys back and get to choose other card at same price range. I'm not happy about performance on my 5770 at all. They said its as good as 4870 but i think its more like 4850. I bought the damn 5770 and q9400 only because i could play DAO on high settings and high resolution but i'm not getting decent fps even on medium.

Vista 64bit
5770 1gb
c2q 9400 2.66ghz
4gb ddr2 ram
asus p5ql se (integrated realtek)

[JackM]

samix132 wrote...

hi! well i have hd 5770 and it doesn't overheat but is certainly running hotter in DAO than in other games, exept in last remnant it's 75-80c in stock and in DAO its 60c-70c. I hope my card breaks and maybe i get my moneys back and get to choose other card at same price range. I'm not happy about performance on my 5770 at all. They said its as good as 4870 but i think its more like 4850. I bought the damn 5770 and q9400 only because i could play DAO on high settings and high resolution but i'm not getting decent fps even on medium.

Vista 64bit
5770 1gb
c2q 9400 2.66ghz
4gb ddr2 ram
asus p5ql se (integrated realtek)

From one of my previous post in this thread:
"FYI, I am running DA:O with a ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4850 (XP SP3, 3GB RAM, Core2 Duo 3.3 GHz, Catalyst 10.7) using the following settings: 1920x1080, All settings on High or Very High expect no AA (really not required at this resolution), Frame Buffer Effects On, VSync On, Triple Buffering and AFx8 with RadeonPro. I never have any overheating issue. My current fps in the game is 30-45 outdoor and 40-60 indoor."

Modifié par JackM, 15 août 2010 - 08:29 .