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[Dem_B]

Dem_B wrote...

I agree with the fact that the basic plot of ME2 was not quite good.
In ME2 was no keys moment. In ME1 it was a conversation with the Sovereign on Virmire. 

If you could talk with "dead Reaper" Reaper IFF mission.
Or talk with Collector General - Harbinger. Before destroying the station, this could be the key to the game, to hear the answers to questions:  social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/4424084/1
If ME1 key phrases throughout the game, in my opinion, is: Cycle can not be broken - Sovereign, then in ME2 is :That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction - Harbinger.
If was at least one dialogue with the Reaper, I would have completely changed their opinion about ME2, for me it would be a game where there is a key point, the main plot point.
Without this, the game turned into a "Gather the team and explode Collectors base".
It can be described ME2. Of course we saw Migrant fleet, learn about other Geths, saw Krogan home planet, everything is just great, but I do not agree that it should have been at the forefront to become the main part of the game.

[YuriMk.III]

Epic777 wrote...
Two things I did like about me2 story: one avoids the planets of hats and finally gives the intention of the reapers (procreate). The main thing its misses is a central villain like saren

Finally! 
That is a good point. The lack of a central villain made ME2 less dramatic storywise. It's still a space opera kind of thing, though different.

I was actually slightly disappointed when I first saw ME2 being compared to J.Cameron's 'Avatar' for obvious reasons - while the film's world was really beautifully crafted the plot was bland, obvious and the characters were stock. But it's true that ME2 is better written.

[Mister Mida]

I don't consider ME2's story being better written compared to Avatar's much of a compliment.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 20 août 2010 - 09:08 .

[Solaris Paradox]

There are aspects of Mass Effect 1 that I prefer to Mass Effect 2's equivalents. There are aspects of Mass Effect 2 that I prefer to Mass Effect 1's equivalents. Ultimately I prefer Mass Effect 2 because the combat and weapon variety struck me as more fun, and there was more of it. I also prefer the way it controls. I would pay good money to see Mass Effect 1 re-made with Mass Effect 2's system just as I crapped bricks when I encounted Baldur's Gate Tutu and its accompanying mods for the first time. The best of both worlds would be AWESOME.



I'm kind of hoping they take such a route with Mass Effect 3, but of course, we have no way of knowing.

[wellsoul2]

ME1 seems less linear because of the Mako and a bigger Citadel.

I hate planet scanning. I hate not being able to save with the Hammerhead.

I'd like to have more armor (for NPC's too) Also I liked having more points/powers in ME1.



If they combined the good points of the Hammerhead and Mako with more extensive outside

battles (not standalone, without hovering for minerals which is hokey) and they had bigger

interiors for the Citadel and Ilium and Omega it would be much more immersive like ME1.

[Tazzmission]

YuriMk.III wrote...

Epic777 wrote...
Two things I did like about me2 story: one avoids the planets of hats and finally gives the intention of the reapers (procreate). The main thing its misses is a central villain like saren

Finally! 
That is a good point. The lack of a central villain made ME2 less dramatic storywise. It's still a space opera kind of thing, though different.

I was actually slightly disappointed when I first saw ME2 being compared to J.Cameron's 'Avatar' for obvious reasons - while the film's world was really beautifully crafted the plot was bland, obvious and the characters were stock. But it's true that ME2 is better written.

i dont know how anyone can even think me2 is compared to avatar, if anything me2 felt more like a darker version of the tv show farscape wich i enjoyed. i agree about the central villain comment and i wish other people will see that. i enjoyed me2 alot more because of the loyalty missions you have to do because in me1 you just had your crew that would just stick by you. me2 is like empire strikes back when it comes to the new squads backstories

[Spartas Husky]

Original ME1 is number 1.... true.

[Tazzmission]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Original ME1 is number 1.... true.

me1 will always be a classic but me2 imo topped it by an inch gameplay wise

Modifié par Tazzmission, 20 août 2010 - 07:29 .

[mjboldy]

ME2 was a better game but ME1 was a better experience.

[Funkcase]

ME1, I just love everything about it, the combat and graphics are a hell of alot better in ME2, but they still look great in ME1, and it is still fun to play. Overall it's the characters, music and story that make ME1 come out on top, imo. Not that anything is bad in ME2, it just didn't feel as great as the first time I played ME1.

[geekeffect]

mjboldy wrote...
ME2 was a better game but ME1 was a better experience.

That says it all. I think it's true. ME1 had this really cool feeling that things kept growing. I mean, for example, it's a bit similar to the feeling I had reading Lord of the Rings, the first book is about this journey of this group of guys..and then in the second book there's this whole other world, political intrigue in Rohan, Saruman at work, there's war on the border, our heroes scattered everywhere... You know that feeling, that a story is growing by the minute and how cool it feels. That's what I had with ME1... the first arrival at the Citadel really made it for me. And then the council, the feeling that they're not treating you properly... and after that you get to explore and start to get a glimpse of what's going on... and then things change again with the council, and suddently you're flying through the galaxy to unveil this conspiracy, but there's still a lot you don't know, and you feel it... It was a really memorable experience.

But the truth of the matter is, if you analyze it coldly, as a game, you see it isn't perfect. It got a little old for me.. the repetitive missions and environments on secondary planets. You have to be a little condescending if you stick to the idea that it's better than ME2. The thing is, on the other hand, ME2 felt more compact, or more claustrophobic, in a way. You don't get anything similar to that feel of the Citadel in ME1. And let's face it, the final mission in ME1 is simply fantastic, even by today's standards. But ME2 has great stuff in it. Great characters and great storytelling. I love Garrus loyalty mission for the great narrative, or Jack's loyalty mission for the environment. And even locations that aren't that large have great conceptual design, like Tuchanka or Haestrom or so many others. It's a really well ballanced game in terms of gameplay, and I'm not just talking about combat.

Long story short, ME1 was more memorable; ME2 was solid. If ME3 is just as well crafted as ME2, but has the epic feel of ME1, it will be a sure winner.

[Spartas Husky]

Tazzmission wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Original ME1 is number 1.... true.

me1 will always be a classic but me2 imo topped it by an inch gameplay wise

...gameplay... I say ME2 is  99% of ME1.. but doesn't surpass it. ALot of things were made even better, but alot of good things were completely dropped.

Analogy:

Me1: +1   +1   +1   +1 =4

me2: +3  -1  +2  -1=3

CLose.. and it improved alot of things. But let out a bunch of others.

[Dem_B]

geekeffect wrote...

mjboldy wrote...
ME2 was a better game but ME1 was a better experience.

Long story short, ME1 was more memorable; ME2 was solid. If ME3 is just as well crafted as ME2, but has the epic feel of ME1, it will be a sure winner.

I agree completely, and I hope Mass Effect 3 connected to all the best of ME1 and ME2, it must be so!

[ExtremeOne]

Mass Effect 2 is the better game period. I am sorry you can have the best story in a game but if the game play sucks donkey balls it will not matter

[bzurn]

When you dig down to the nuts and bolts of the game they are both very linear, but there are key differences in the writing style and the manner in which you progress through the linearity that make me feel that...

Mass Effect 1 feels like I'm playing a movie.

Mass Effect 2 feels like I'm playing a TV show.

I don't really take into consideration the improved visuals (of course they will improve the visuals and cinematic quality on a game that was released 3 years ago, especially when the first one was such a success that it was).

In 1 a lot of the optional areas and subplots of the universe are tied into the main plot objective lines. My favorite part in 1 is Noveria. There are many different ways to play through that zone that makes it a treat to return to over and over again. In 2 all of these optional areas and subplots are basically all enclosed in the loyalty missions. If I play through the game and say 'screw you, we gotta save the colonists' to my squad when they pester me for help, and I actually mean that as my character (without meta gaming knowing what the results will be), then all of that 'improved storyline' is lost.

This impacts how I enjoy the game quite a bit. With the more interwoven way 1 is presented I can tolerate all of these additional subplots being thrown into the game much more easily because I'm actually progressing the main plot while visiting all of these planets. When I try to play through 2, I often get bogged down in all of these loyalty missions, of which the outcome will there possibly be a binary decision I have to make, and a reskinned uniform and new power for a squadmate I may not ever use on my team.

I think the leveling system took one step forward and two steps back. Sure, reduce the number of powers I can use, but still make me have to choose how to specialize my class. That was good. Bad in that each level means I won't be able to unlock a new box, because I'll have to save up for a 3 or 4 point unlock. The small percentages you gained in 1 at least were a satisfying way of marking character progression rather than having to shelve points for another level. Also bad was removing xp for killing enemies and the 'mission summary' screen.

The music in 1 is more driving and I feel the urgency in getting through this combat area, especially the ones on Virmire, Ilos, and the Citadel were a real treat to listen to.  In 2 the music takes a more mundane role until you get to the Suicide mission where the game finally starts to feel like a movie.

But the worst thing for me was having to play my first import, my Alliance loyal spacer / war hero, and being pigeonholed into a plot in working with Cerberus.  Perhaps that is my fault for misconcieving the background of those two background types and the paragon playstyle, but Cerberus was enemy #3 for him after the Reapers and the Geth for him in mass effect 1.. It came as quite a shock when there was little I could do to break out of the mold I had been painted into in that storyline.

In short...  I like movies better than TV shows.

Modifié par bzurn, 24 août 2010 - 08:31 .

[Dem_B]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Mass Effect 2 is the better game period. I am sorry you can have the best story in a game but if the game play sucks donkey balls it will not matter

Of course not, I'm playing in ME only because it is an incredibly interesting story, if I wanted to stupidly shoot I'll be playing in other games.

Modifié par Dem_B, 24 août 2010 - 08:26 .

[AlanC9]

Are movies automatically better than TV shows? I'm not quite clear where you were going with that.

[Mister Mida]

mjboldy wrote...

ME2 was a better game but ME1 was a better experience.

That's exactly it. The reason I'm gonna remember ME2 is because it's linked to a game what I would call a classic. If someone would ask me if ME3 should be more like ME (1) or ME2, I'll go for the memorable experience and pick ME (1).

[ExtremeOne]

Dem_B wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Mass Effect 2 is the better game period. I am sorry you can have the best story in a game but if the game play sucks donkey balls it will not matter

Of course not, I'm playing in ME only because it is an incredibly interesting story, if I wanted to stupidly shoot I'll be playing in other games.

  


if you care about story over game play then Mass Effect 1 is perfect for you but from a video game stand point it had really bad game play. like i said if a game has a great story but the game play sucks then yeah its a huge problem. Mass Effect 1 is not a movie or a book it was a freaking video game. since its a game the game play is the core thing in any game. The game play in Mass Effect 1 sucked period. but hey if you like games with good stories and crappy game play then fine.  i would much take a game with a great story and great game play than a good story and crappy game play 

[bzurn]

Movies or TV shows are just different ways the story is presented. Either in a more fully realized and immersive experience, or in a shorter, more compact and less in depth manner. Both ways of presenting a story in each has its plus and minuses.

[Skilled Seeker]

ME2 was a bridge between ME1 and ME3. I'm sure ME3 will blow both out of the water in terms of epic story.



Personally I enjoyed ME2 more than ME1 as the gameplay in ME1 is too clunky, especially after playing ME2 and the storyline is slow to start up which puts me off replays while ME2 throws you right into the action.

[wickedwizzard01]

if ME3 gets a villain sort of like Saren in ME1 then i'll be very happy

since i think that was sorely lacking in ME2

i think it made ME1 much more epic than ME2 ,

i like ME2 for it's characters but sort of missed the Mako in ,did not like the Hammerhead due to it's very weak armor , sort of it had no armor at all

liked ME1 for it seemed less linear

but hated the friggin combat system

[bzurn]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Dem_B wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Mass Effect 2 is the better game period. I am sorry you can have the best story in a game but if the game play sucks donkey balls it will not matter

Of course not, I'm playing in ME only because it is an incredibly interesting story, if I wanted to stupidly shoot I'll be playing in other games.

  


if you care about story over game play then Mass Effect 1 is perfect for you but from a video game stand point it had really bad game play. like i said if a game has a great story but the game play sucks then yeah its a huge problem. Mass Effect 1 is not a movie or a book it was a freaking video game. since its a game the game play is the core thing in any game. The game play in Mass Effect 1 sucked period. but hey if you like games with good stories and crappy game play then fine.  i would much take a game with a great story and great game play than a good story and crappy game play 

Games have come a long way in the last 20 years while I have been gaming.  The term 'gameplay' was very narrowly refined when I first started gaming, as there were far fewer of them out there.  Given any one person's gaming background can greatly effect the abilty for you to tolerate certain games in their shortcomings.  Sure the combat in 2 is so much better than it is in 1.  It would be silly if they didn't improve upon that as anything relased years after a different game has the advantages of learning from their positives and negatives of the previous design.

ME1 played a lot more like KOTOR 3 than anything else, so if you'd played those games it just took a bit to get used to using the third person shooter mechanics and the power wheel and you felt pretty much at home.  The AI was un refined and zergy in 1, which negated the use of cover often.

[wickedwizzard01]

Mister Mida wrote...

mjboldy wrote...

ME2 was a better game but ME1 was a better experience.

That's exactly it. The reason I'm gonna remember ME2 is because it's linked to a game what I would call a classic. If someone would ask me if ME3 should be more like ME (1) or ME2, I'll go for the memorable experience and pick ME (1).

agreed completely ME3 should be more like ME1 
 

[ExtremeOne]

bzurn wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Dem_B wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Mass Effect 2 is the better game period. I am sorry you can have the best story in a game but if the game play sucks donkey balls it will not matter

Of course not, I'm playing in ME only because it is an incredibly interesting story, if I wanted to stupidly shoot I'll be playing in other games.

  


if you care about story over game play then Mass Effect 1 is perfect for you but from a video game stand point it had really bad game play. like i said if a game has a great story but the game play sucks then yeah its a huge problem. Mass Effect 1 is not a movie or a book it was a freaking video game. since its a game the game play is the core thing in any game. The game play in Mass Effect 1 sucked period. but hey if you like games with good stories and crappy game play then fine.  i would much take a game with a great story and great game play than a good story and crappy game play 

Games have come a long way in the last 20 years while I have been gaming.  The term 'gameplay' was very narrowly refined when I first started gaming, as there were far fewer of them out there.  Given any one person's gaming background can greatly effect the abilty for you to tolerate certain games in their shortcomings.  Sure the combat in 2 is so much better than it is in 1.  It would be silly if they didn't improve upon that as anything relased years after a different game has the advantages of learning from their positives and negatives of the previous design.

ME1 played a lot more like KOTOR 3 than anything else, so if you'd played those games it just took a bit to get used to using the third person shooter mechanics and the power wheel and you felt pretty much at home.  The AI was un refined and zergy in 1, which negated the use of cover often.

  


Games are still judged on how well does it play. but in the case of Mass Effect everyone just gave a freaking pass on the god awful game play because of the almighty story and the name on the box. well thank god Bioware realized that a game needs to have great game play as well good story telling in Mass Effect 2.