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[Mars Nova]

Would more crew confrontations be cool? Yes the would.  Does not having more make the game less awesome? Not for me.

[FlyinElk212]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

glacier1701 wrote...

What I could see them doing is near to the release of ME3 coming out with a GOLD EDITION of ME1 and ME2 that includes this kind of thing and charging us for it.

... I'd buy it. Come on, it's better than what usually happens with games.. This kind of cut content usually doesn't make it to the end and that's the last you hear of it, period. Would I pay for ME2 all over again for more dialogue, and maybe a little more to have all the DLC included? Heck yeah, sign me up.

I'm so with you. Any way to put this stuff back in, I'd pay for. Why the hell not? I've practically spent money for a second ME2 game purchase with all the DLC they released.

(Sidenote: what's with all these people including Garrus vs. Samara as an example squadfight? When have/why would those two ever butt heads?)

[didymos1120]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

(Sidenote: what's with all these people including Garrus vs. Samara as an example squadfight? When have/why would those two ever butt heads?)

Supposedly because Garrus is a "renegade" vigilante.  Of course, he only went after bad guys on Omega, and Samara's talk point there reveals she's conisdering doing pretty much the same thing, only solo.  And, it's not like she has a problem with any and all collateral damage anyway.  Just ask Detective Anaya.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

mrsph wrote...

I can see why they would have cut it out. Grunt really doesn't seem to care that much about the genophage and it would probably be pretty hard to have Grunt and Mordin have an argument without the squishy little salarian getting murdered.

Yes. It sounded kind of out of character to me too, and a little silly.

Modifié par RyuGuitarFreak, 10 août 2010 - 03:28 .

[Homebound]

didymos1120 wrote...

Hope you weren't expecting too much.  It's interesting, don't get me wrong.  There's just not a whole lot of it left:



The most interesting thing is that apparently this fight could occur without Grunt having Urdnot clan status, so it seems there was going to be a "failed but loyal" outcome like Tali being exiled.

Im glad it got cut. It woulda made no sense if it was left in imho.

[ThatDancingTurian]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

(Sidenote: what's with all these people including Garrus vs. Samara as an example squadfight? When have/why would those two ever butt heads?)

I think they just want a Garrus fight, and.. Samara is the leftovers. :/ I personally hoped a Garrus confrontation would have been with Grunt before I saw this. The fight would be more even than Grunt/Mordin, at any rate.

[ADLegend21]

ther should have been confrontations for Everyone! Grunt vs Mordin, Jacob vs Thane, Maybe Kasumi vs Samara (justicar vs theif) and Garrus vs Zaeed makes the word "Team" mean something.

[J.G]

This would have been AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!

[SandTrout]

I could easily see Samara threatening or attacking Garus after he killed Sidonis in his loyalty mission. No question, the final shot was premeditated murder, justified or not.

I think the reason that the Jack/Miranda and Tali/Legion fight were left in was because those were the deepest rifts in the team. Jack has hated Cerberus for what it did to her for so long that its an inextricable part of her psyche. The Geth and the Quarians have essentially been at war for 300 years, and both of their cultures have been defined by that conflict. It wouldn't make sense for these characters not to come into conflict with each other.

While I agree that it would be great to see conflicts come to a head for all of the team, excluding DLC (No dialog wheel), my guess is that these were not considered essential parts of the story to waste resources on, where the two that we do have need to be included.

[CShep25]

Hearing Mordin getting stroppy is music to my ears. He was always so agreeable with Shepard, its nice to hear a different side to to him. I might try mocking up a scene with this dialogue. Which .afc are these sound bites hidden in?

[didymos1120]

CShep25 wrote...

Hearing Mordin getting stroppy is music to my ears. He was always so agreeable with Shepard, its nice to hear a different side to to him. I might try mocking up a scene with this dialogue. Which .afc are these sound bites hidden in?

For Mordin, norpr_starter. For Grunt, norkg_starter. 

[ExtremeOne]

yeah they should have had this in the game since Shepard is a freaking babysitter in ME 2 part of the time. maybe they should have had one where Shepard Vs the ones from ME 1 like Garrus and Tali since EA likes this babysitting crap so much

[Skyblade012]

No dialogue of the argument itself, with Paragon/Renegade options to get away without having to go back and recover either?

[Burdokva]

Hearing this made me believe that the Mordin/Grunt argument was structured differently, in a sense that they argue, and Shepard has to deal with with the aftermath. There's certainly two ways Mordin responds, Paragon/Renage, it seems Grunt too.

[TheGreyGhost119]

Burdokva wrote...

Hearing this made me believe that the Mordin/Grunt argument was structured differently, in a sense that they argue, and Shepard has to deal with with the aftermath. There's certainly two ways Mordin responds, Paragon/Renage, it seems Grunt too.

That's how every confrontation works out if you don't use the renegade/paragon response to calm them both down.  With Jack and Miranda, you can talk to Miranda after the confrontation and regain her loyalty by explaining that you had to take Jack's side to calm her down.  Same with Legion about taking Tali's side I believe.

The only difference with this is that it appears you could have regained the loyalty of whoever you didn't pick, as opposed to only being able to regain the loyalty of a specific person in the argument.

[PsyrenY]

mrsph wrote...

I can see why they would have cut it out. Grunt really doesn't seem to care that much about the genophage and it would probably be pretty hard to have Grunt and Mordin have an argument without the squishy little salarian getting murdered.

I agree, Grunt doesn't give a rat's ass about the genophage itself. He was somewhat ticked off that another species defeated the krogan with their own medical data, but that has more to do with the Turians use of it than the Salarians' development of it.

He himself says "I hate Turians" - notably, not Salarians.

So yes, I'm glad they removed this too.

kennyv217 wrote...

lol imagine of in the confrontations, you have the "Screw both of you" option lol

You mean the Renegade option? Because that's basically what it is.

[Burdokva]

TheGreyGhost119 wrote...

Burdokva wrote...

Hearing this made me believe that the Mordin/Grunt argument was structured differently, in a sense that they argue, and Shepard has to deal with with the aftermath. There's certainly two ways Mordin responds, Paragon/Renage, it seems Grunt too.

That's how every confrontation works out if you don't use the renegade/paragon response to calm them both down.  With Jack and Miranda, you can talk to Miranda after the confrontation and regain her loyalty by explaining that you had to take Jack's side to calm her down.  Same with Legion about taking Tali's side I believe.

The only difference with this is that it appears you could have regained the loyalty of whoever you didn't pick, as opposed to only being able to regain the loyalty of a specific person in the argument.

Really? I didn't know that; maybe it was luck, but I always had at least enough Paragon or Renage (usually both) in both encounters to put them to an end then and there. 

Thanks, I'll try and see how it works after that! 

[Chim3ra]

Skyblade012 wrote...

No dialogue of the argument itself, with Paragon/Renegade options to get away without having to go back and recover either?

I'd like to know too.

[didymos1120]

Chim3ra wrote...

Skyblade012 wrote...

No dialogue of the argument itself, with Paragon/Renegade options to get away without having to go back and recover either?

I'd like to know too.

didymos1120 wrote...
Hope you weren't expecting too much.  It's interesting, don't get me wrong.  There's just not a whole lot of it left:

If anything like that existed, I would have used it. 

[kraidy1117]

Tali and Legion

Miri and Jack

Jacob and Thane

Grunt and Garrus

Samara and Kasumi

Zaeed and Mordin



That's what should have happen, the Grunt and Mordin thing sounds cool but it seems OOC for Grunt. That should have been the confrontations. It's a shame that ME2 was rushed

[kraidy1117]

Somebody1003 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Tali and Legion
Miri and Jack
Jacob and Thane
Grunt and Garrus
Samara and Kasumi
Zaeed and Mordin

That's what should have happen, the Grunt and Mordin thing sounds cool but it seems OOC for Grunt. That should have been the confrontations. It's a shame that ME2 was rushed

Why would Mordin-Zaeed, and Kasumi-Samara fight?

Kasumi is a criminal. Samara does not like criminals. Mordin reminds Zaeed of a salarian he killed, I can easly write a plausable fight for them. Gah bioware you keep pissing me offf!

[PWENEFIED]

I don't think so, Grunt really doesn't care about the genophage or the Krogan, he only cares about fighting.

[PWENEFIED]

Somebody1003 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Tali and Legion
Miri and Jack
Jacob and Thane
Grunt and Garrus
Samara and Kasumi
Zaeed and Mordin

That's what should have happen, the Grunt and Mordin thing sounds cool but it seems OOC for Grunt. That should have been the confrontations. It's a shame that ME2 was rushed

Why would Mordin-Zaeed, and Kasumi-Samara fight?

Jacob & Thane makes sense given Thane's welcome, everything else is fail. Mordin vs Zaeed? That doesn't make any sense.

[kraidy1117]

PWENEFIED wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Tali and Legion
Miri and Jack
Jacob and Thane
Grunt and Garrus
Samara and Kasumi
Zaeed and Mordin

That's what should have happen, the Grunt and Mordin thing sounds cool but it seems OOC for Grunt. That should have been the confrontations. It's a shame that ME2 was rushed

Why would Mordin-Zaeed, and Kasumi-Samara fight?

Jacob & Thane makes sense given Thane's welcome, everything else is fail. Mordin vs Zaeed? That doesn't make any sense.

Grunt and Garrus makes more sense then Mordin and Grunt. As for Zaeed and Mordin. Zaeed goes crazy one day and fears Mordin is trying to kill him, boom argument. It's not hard. I admit I only pared them up because everyone else made sence.