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[deceptious]

i'm currently making a warrior rogue so to speak. i'm leveling my rouge like i would a duel wield warrior that can pick locks and wield starfang and keening blade. i know this isn't going to optimize my backstab dps, but i don't care since my pc won't be backstabing, and i will wear medium or massive armor. i already took duelist as a first specialization. i'm not sure which second specialization to take. any suggestions?

[khevan]

Well, Bard is most useful if you have a high CUN, and since it sounds like you're pumping DEX and STR, that's probably out.



Ranger could be good if you're going that route. An extra body helps with DPS and damage mitigation. It's a possibility, especially if you're going for more of a "wilderness scout" kind of rogue.



Assassin is good for backstabs, but MoD is good for the rest of your party.



I'd say the choice is between Assassin and Ranger, with Ranger edging out Assassin by a little bit.



Just my opinion, I'm sure there are more knowledgeable individuals around who would have good opinions also.

[Elhanan]

I prefer Assassin, but mostly just take it for spec bonuses.

You may have to skip the Keening blade, as I believe it is Warrior use only. Topsider is another option.

[Last Darkness]

Duelest/Ranger Dex to 36, Cun to 22 or 30, Str as much as possible.

[beancounter501]

One of my favorite Rogue Builds! Go Cun 22 (Stealth 4), Dex 36 (Dual Weld Master)- rest goes into Strength. You will be starved for talents! I would recommend getting the following talents first:

Dirty Fighting Line(1-3) - MUST Have
Stealth(1-3) - The fourth level is just sweet as well
Top Tier Dual Weapons through Dual Weld Master (1-4)
Second Tier Dual Welding through Riptose (1-2)
Third Tier Through Whirlwind(1-4)

That is 12 talents. Add in all 4 four assassin talents. That is 16. After that go for Lethality and the + 10 Crit Rate. That takes you to 19. Then maybe Cripple and Punisher.  Not much room left after that.

If you have a mage with the Cold Line then priotize Cripple much earlier.  Shatter attacks are very strong.  Easy to do 200-300 points of dmg in a single attack.

You get one very big advantage over your Dex and cunning Rogues in the early levels - Star Fang.  Get it ASAP.  Let the dagger boys fool around with some crappy tier 2 dagger while you get a tier 8 Sword right out of the gate!

Modifié par beancounter501, 11 août 2010 - 02:24 .

[Elhanan]

beancounter501 wrote...

One of my favorite Rogue Builds! Go Cun 22 (Stealth 4), Dex 36 (Dual Weld Master)- rest goes into Strength. You will be starved for talents! I would recommend getting the following talents first:

Dirty Fighting Line(1-3) - MUST Have
Stealth(1-3) - The fourth level is just sweet as well
Top Tier Dual Weapons through Dual Weld Master (1-4)
Second Tier Dual Welding through Riptose (1-2)
Third Tier Through Whirlwind(1-4)

That is 12 talents. Add in all 4 four assassin talents. That is 16. After that go for Lethality and the + 10 Crit Rate. That takes you to 19. Then maybe Cripple and Punisher.  Not much room left after that.

If you have a mage with the Cold Line then priotize Cripple much earlier.  Shatter attacks are very strong.  Easy to do 200-300 points of dmg in a single attack.

You get one very big advantage over your Dex and cunning Rogues in the early levels - Star Fang.  Get it ASAP.  Let the dagger boys fool around with some crappy tier 2 dagger while you get a tier 8 Sword right out of the gate!

I believe the list you gave is a total of 16 talents; not 12.

And why only 22 Cunning? And it is nice to see another STR build for a change!
 

Modifié par Elhanan, 11 août 2010 - 03:05 .

[Last Darkness]

Elhanan wrote...

beancounter501 wrote...

One of my favorite Rogue Builds! Go Cun 22 (Stealth 4), Dex 36 (Dual Weld Master)- rest goes into Strength. You will be starved for talents! I would recommend getting the following talents first:

Dirty Fighting Line(1-3) - MUST Have
Stealth(1-3) - The fourth level is just sweet as well
Top Tier Dual Weapons through Dual Weld Master (1-4)
Second Tier Dual Welding through Riptose (1-2)
Third Tier Through Whirlwind(1-4)

That is 12 talents. Add in all 4 four assassin talents. That is 16. After that go for Lethality and the + 10 Crit Rate. That takes you to 19. Then maybe Cripple and Punisher.  Not much room left after that.

If you have a mage with the Cold Line then priotize Cripple much earlier.  Shatter attacks are very strong.  Easy to do 200-300 points of dmg in a single attack.

You get one very big advantage over your Dex and cunning Rogues in the early levels - Star Fang.  Get it ASAP.  Let the dagger boys fool around with some crappy tier 2 dagger while you get a tier 8 Sword right out of the gate!

I believe the list you gave is a total of 16 talents; not 12.

And why only 22 Cunning? And it is nice to see another STR build for a change!
 

22 Cun is the minimum needed for all rogue talents.  30 is only nessary if you absolutly MUST open every lock and door in the game. Thats 8 Extra points to go somewhere else.

[DapperDan77]

You could probably still open all locks with 22 cunning, just try and keep a "lockpicking set" of armour/jewellery/weapons, anything with +cunning on it. Dead Thaig Shanker and Duncan's Sword (If you got RtO installed) for instance.
As for weapons, Starfang and Veshialle would be your best bet. Veshialle would be better than Topsiders if you're a high strength build, due to the 1.10 strength modifier. As Elhanan said, Keening Blade is out, due to being warrior only. Veshialle beats Keening blade anyway imo, even if you could use it. My DW warrior used Starfang/Vesh.

Modifié par DapperDan77, 11 août 2010 - 05:58 .

[beancounter501]

@Elhan - you are right, it is 16 talents not 12. Man the Rogue as just soo many good talents!

[Gnoster]

I have been thinking about this kind of build as well for my next playthrough.



My RP thoughts has gone along the lines of creating a type of Drizzt Do'Urden type character.



Atm. I'm thinking:

class: Rogue, ranger+duelist

Dex: 36, enough to get all dualwield talents

Strength and Cunning I am in a bit of doubt about, because I m unsure if a melee frontal attack oriented rogue benefits on damage from cunning when he is using longswords and the like. Anyone know this? If he does, I would say only enough strength for the armor you want and then the rest into cunning.

[Elhanan]

I believe everyone benefits from bonus AP due to Cunning, but Lethality is needed to actually gain bonus Dmg from a Cunning score higher than STR.

[Maverick827]

My current character portrait is a 22Cun/36Dex/rest Str build and it's doing just fine. I can kill any number of white mobs with a Dual-Weapon Sweep -> Whirlwind -> Bomb, though DWS often refuses to cooperate. Yellow mobs are easily taken down in the time of a stun with Momentum + Haste (I fixed the bug) and Coupe de Grace. Bosses go down quickly, too, with Below the Belt + Telekinetic Weapons + ~140 ATK.

My only complaint is that the rest of my party kind of blows in comparison; since this is supposed to be an "evil" run, my choices are limited. Morrigan is fine, Zevran (respecced to archer) is finally coming around after being terrible for most of the game, but Dog is dieing almost every encounter. I've replaced Dog with Alastair who will just have to put up with my evil antics.

I've destroyed everything in my path, but I'm not sure how the High Dragon will go. Now that I have Alastair to tank for me (I can actually backstab now; previously I was often the tank), it should go fine, but I was worried before the party switch.

I'm currently using Starfang + Duncan's Sword because they're free. I really don't like axes; perhaps I'll just buy Veshialle and Winter Forge it into a sword, though I think that changes the base stats and I'd lose the higher strength mod. I'm also using the Black Templar Armor, which uses the v1.0 Blood Dragon armor set.

I really should get Amgarrak out of the way for the sexy mace and necklace; Vigilance + The Reaper's Cudgel in Awakening?

[Gnoster]

If you're doing an evil run, you might want to consider taking Shale instead of Alistair.

Though Shale aren't exactly evil, she dislikes humans enough so that she'll never really complain about doing anything evil - except siding against the golems in the Deep Roads.

Also in my experience Shale actually makes for an awesome tank, and whenver easy fights are coming you just switch to her full dps mode instead and you have an acceptable dps'er.

[Maverick827]

Yeah, I really don't like Shale, though. The voice is annoying, she looks terrible, and I do not like the way her talents are set up.

[Last Darkness]

Try the full combatant dog mod to make him more appealing. Im working on a full Dog overhaul mod to make him better and equal to other party member options. Thats on my to do list after I finesh my Berserk Manga mod.

[Gnoster]

I always use the respec mod, so the initial talents are of no matter to me ofcourse.



Dog I find to be a quite nice dps'er. I mostly use him to hunt down archers, which he makes very short work of.

[DapperDan77]

Maverick827 wrote...
I really should get Amgarrak out of the way for the sexy mace and necklace; Vigilance + The Reaper's Cudgel in Awakening?

Sell Reaper's Cudgel. Seriously. 350g-ish in Origins, over 400 in Awakening. Vigilance and Voice of Velvet is better anyway imo. that +100% critical damage. It's possible to get insane DW crit rates in Awakening too, my DW warrior (with Nate's SoC, cunning based), is sitting at close to 80% crit rate. So 4/5ths of hits crit, and so the +100% crit dmg on VoV kicks arse. Not to mention that for some reason Cudgel has no rune slots (though I'm sure that will get modded by someone promptly).

[Last Darkness]

Wow still no love for 1 handed maces in this game, its a shame.

[MEBengal2008]

deceptious wrote...

i'm currently making a warrior rogue so to speak. i'm leveling my rouge like i would a duel wield warrior that can pick locks and wield starfang and keening blade. i know this isn't going to optimize my backstab dps, but i don't care since my pc won't be backstabing, and i will wear medium or massive armor. i already took duelist as a first specialization. i'm not sure which second specialization to take. any suggestions?

Duelist for the added attack and damage; Ranger so you can summon a friend to help keep enemies off your rogue.