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[Anarya]

AwesomeName wrote...

I suppose you're right - when you really look at the drawings they are exaggerated - this sounds a bit mad, but when I look at the human I just sort of accept that it looks cartoony and exaggerated in places and therefore assume there must be some sort of real-life equivalent.  In my mind the human roughly translates as this poll vaulter (sp?) - surely people don't think she's unnaturally thin! 

It doesn't sound mad at all. I'm so used to stylization I don't really even notice the discrepancies between drawings and real life anatomy unless they're just extremely jarring like Rob Liefield drawings or something, or if I'm actively looking for flaws. Maybe it's because I have training in fashion illustration, I don't know. Not that these are anything like fashion drawings. None of them have runway model bodies either.

Anyway if a stylized drawing is aesthetically pleasing to me I just kinda roll with it. Whoever drew that, I like his or her style quite a lot.

[tmp7704]

AwesomeName wrote...

In my mind the human roughly translates as this poll vaulter (sp?) - surely people don't think she's unnaturally thin! 

She definitely isn't too thin but she's also nothing like that human drawing

(i get the stylization part, but in this particular case the stylization goes almost opposite to the individual traits of that girl)

Modifié par tmp7704, 10 août 2010 - 04:46 .

[Valthier]

Damn, where'd the ribcages go? I think of the females only the Qunari has one, and even then she and her male counterpart have a kind of ridiculous WoW Draenai (I think that's how you spell it) level of gender variation (Though since we've been told female Qunari can't be warriors I suppose I'm willing to not pick at it beyond pointing it out). And damn! With the rest of her figure that dwarf girl must be wearing a hell of a corset belt. And the human female's face looks a little... off. Like, the line thickness and strength is different from the rest of everything else.



(I do think they all look quite nice in a stylized way, I suppose, I just like nitpicking)

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

There are actual screenshots of Bethany, who is, as far as I know, a human female. Why go by concept art?

[Balgin Stondraeg]

KLUME777 wrote...

bioware.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/da2_races.jpg

This is the picture on the official Dragon Age 2 podcast, second eppisode on the Art direction.

I know these are early concept art, they mostly look great (especially the female Qunari!), but what about the human female? To me, her hips are like, down too low, and her legs just look....wierd. Shes still sexy though. I dont know.

What does everyone else think

The human has some odd proportions. Additionaly the horizontal ears on the elves is starting to put me off Dragon Age 2.Why stupid donkley rapbbit/sideways anime ears? Why?

[iTomes]

Balgin Stondraeg wrote...

KLUME777 wrote...

bioware.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/da2_races.jpg

This is the picture on the official Dragon Age 2 podcast, second eppisode on the Art direction.

I know these are early concept art, they mostly look great (especially the female Qunari!), but what about the human female? To me, her hips are like, down too low, and her legs just look....wierd. Shes still sexy though. I dont know.

What does everyone else think

The human has some odd proportions. Additionaly the horizontal ears on the elves is starting to put me off Dragon Age 2.Why stupid donkley rapbbit/sideways anime ears? Why?

those are artworks. i wouldn't really take them serious...

[pizoxuat]

Balgin Stondraeg wrote...

The human has some odd proportions. Additionaly the horizontal ears on the elves is starting to put me off Dragon Age 2.Why stupid donkley rapbbit/sideways anime ears? Why?

They're easier to see from a distance and less likely to be completely covered by hair.  Ears are the most iconic tell for elves, it makes sense to make sure people will be able to see them. 

They haven't gone out to anime proportions, they are just laying back instead of pointing up.  I like them.

[Patriciachr34]

AwesomeName wrote...

Patriciachr34 wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

Well, like I was saying, it takes tremendously more effort for a woman to get big and muscular than for a guy - check out the following strength standards:

http://www.exrx.net/...thStandards.htm

Also, you'd be surprised at how strong a person can be without having large muscles (some train for strength rather than hypertrophy). Of course people usually don't appreciate these things unless they train so, given the audience, I can understand the rationale behind wanting a more obvious difference.

I suppose the female dwarf isn't really pudgy, her top half looks normal, but then her waist is missing, and... okay she's a dwarf, clearly we can't apply human standards to her. Btw, when I say "normal" or "pudgy" I'm going roughly by medical standards, rather than what most people (in the UK at least) go by.

I don't mean the women should look like body builders, but there should be obvious muscle definition on a female warrior body.  There would be obvious muscle definition on the arms and legs as well.  The current female human body type is too thin and and does not show enough muscle definition for the type of lifestyle she is living.  The muscle mass may be lean depending on the body type, but it would still be quite apparent.  That and the fact that the women are too thin to be as strong as they should be.  I would like to see a runway model press 35lb plus bar weight.  She would get too "fat" to do her job if she did that.

Which one looks like a runway model?  Most fashion models I've seen look underweight or borderline underweight  - of course you need to know what underweight looks like! That human definitely isn't - incidentally, she has more or less the same build as one of my exes, and she was pretty much in the middle of the "normal bmi" range (although she had a bit more muscle than most girls, so interpret the usefulness of this info how you will).  It's also worth noting that women (at least with humans )  require a higher body fat percentage than men - in fact the minimum they need (when they're not pregnant) is something like 12% (The qunari is the leanest and looks closer to 17% EDIT: maybe it is 12?), so muscle definition isn't really meant to be as apparant for women.

If you meant push-pressing 80lbs or 35kg, I have no doubt the qunari could do a fair bit more than that!  I can do that quite easily and I'm 5'5" at 58kg (127lbs)!  Albeit I'm a guy, but most people consider me pretty slim and I'm by no means obviously muscular.  Although I have to agree I doubt the human or elf could do that.  The dwarf probably could. 

Perhaps it would be better if the human had a build closer to the female qunari, the elf closer to the human one, and the qunari could just stay the same (keep in mind that qunari women are generally relegated to non-combat roles).

In my opinion, the DAO women archetype is too thin.  I'm a woman 5'2" with a little pudge, but I have visible muscle defintion from my weight training, yoga, and swimming.  I am by no means a "star" athlete, but  warriors would be.  They would have less body fat (much less) and more definition than I do.  So, a more accurate human female warrior body archetype would be have much more visible muscle tone than the current thin archetype.  Their arms would be thicker as would be the heavy muscles in their legs.  If you were to shorten and lean out the Qunari female concept just a bit, that would be a more accurate female warrior body archetype.

Just for reference purposes, I build lean, extremely dense muscle mass and do not use protein, body building stuff.  I also have a small/petite frame.  The BMI says I should weight 115 lbs US standard.  The last time I weighed this amount, I was 15 year old anorexic who hadn't eaten to two weeks.  That is why I take the BMI with a grain of salt as it does not take into account muscle mass density when setting a "standard".

[kayrob]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

In my opinion, the DAO women archetype is too thin.  I'm a woman 5'2" with a little pudge, but I have visible muscle defintion from my weight training, yoga, and swimming.  I am by no means a "star" athlete, but  warriors would be.  They would have less body fat (much less) and more definition than I do.  So, a more accurate human female warrior body archetype would be have much more visible muscle tone than the current thin archetype.  Their arms would be thicker as would be the heavy muscles in their legs.  If you were to shorten and lean out the Qunari female concept just a bit, that would be a more accurate female warrior body archetype.

this. At least for the female PC, and for rogues as well as warriors. I would like to see my rogue built more like me. I'll take the size c chest though (this is fantasy after all). Mostly, I think the waist-line needs to be thicker, and more muscle definition. Then, if we can do away with that awful collar that all female armor had, I'll be happy!

Modifié par kayrob, 10 août 2010 - 09:08 .

[Patriciachr34]

kayrob wrote...

Patriciachr34 wrote...

In my opinion, the DAO women archetype is too thin.  I'm a woman 5'2" with a little pudge, but I have visible muscle defintion from my weight training, yoga, and swimming.  I am by no means a "star" athlete, but  warriors would be.  They would have less body fat (much less) and more definition than I do.  So, a more accurate human female warrior body archetype would be have much more visible muscle tone than the current thin archetype.  Their arms would be thicker as would be the heavy muscles in their legs.  If you were to shorten and lean out the Qunari female concept just a bit, that would be a more accurate female warrior body archetype.

this. At least for the female PC, and for rogues as well as warriors. I would like to see my rogue built more like me. I'll take the size c chest though (this is fantasy after all). Mostly, I think the waist-line needs to be thicker, and more muscle definition. Then, if we can do away with that awful collar that all female armor had, I'll be happy!

Well said.  I agree with the fantasy party.  My "gurls" could stand a little more umph as well.  If I can't have them IRL, then DA will have to do.

[Anarya]

I like the look of that pole-vaulter a few posts up. That's pretty damn close to my aesthetic ideal for a female body.

[Patriciachr34]

The pole vaulter pic you posted is not unnaturally thin.  She does have broader shoulders and neck, thicker arms, and thicker legs than the DAO archetype.  Here's a pic of a Long Jumper from the UK that I think would be more appropriate as a body type.
www.belgraveharriers.com/2006/Wellstead_1a.jpg

A women as thin as the one in the link below is more like the ones in DA, but she is too thin and is really more of an exception rather than a true representation of an athletic build.
www.athleticwomen.com/slides/foto18189668.htm

[Bobad]

Defintly more of this but never getting to this.

[th8827]

She's okay. I don't like the chin tattoo, though.



The elf girl looks like she would make a better human (well, besides the ears, of course), in my opinion.

[Patriciachr34]

Bobad...I agree with your assessment wholeheartedly. That second one was just "Ewwwww".

[namedforthemoon]

I just want pretty hair and different makeup options (like different eyeshadow shapes and eyeliner, for crying out loud!). We need pretty characters. I like the pretty.

[Bryy_Miller]

[Anarya]

namedforthemoon wrote...

I just want pretty hair and different makeup options (like different eyeshadow shapes and eyeliner, for crying out loud!). We need pretty characters. I like the pretty.

Yes eyeliner and please let it have a different color slider than eyeshadow.

[Dave of Canada]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

I miss RVB. D:

[SirOccam]

I just have to say this thread wins because of all the Allison Stokke images. That's what a human female should look like.

In-game, too.

Modifié par SirOccam, 10 août 2010 - 11:48 .

[Captain Crash]

SirOccam wrote...

I just have to say this thread wins because of all the Allison Stokke images. That's what a human female should look like.

In-game, too.

I be really happy if all the girls in game have her body 

[Hawksblud]

Have to say that I'm not really seeing the 'different standards of beauty'. Not that it's a bad thing, per say, but they all look pretty similar to me, body-wise. I can't see any real differences between them if you take away height-- that goes for the menfolk as well. The dwarven male is the only character with a different build.



That being said, fem!Qunari is smoking. That must be a pretty uncomfortable shirt, though, and I do wish she had some more muscle around her midsection.