AwesomeName wrote...
kayrob wrote...
This (and this), however, IS attainable. All you have to do is: quit your day job, excel at your favourite sport, and then work out 6-8 hours a day.
Pfft, that's a terrible attitude to take! Why do so many people think it's so impractical to get into shape??
KLUME777 wrote...
And as i said, being tall is a plus Genetic trait for rogues.
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Modifié par Slidell505, 13 août 2010 - 12:57 .
KLUME777 wrote...
And your genetic body shape DOES matter for what class you are. You have to be strong and able to be a warrior, so you require muscle and bulk, raw strenth.
Things that are logical I have no problem accepting, like warriors being more muscular. But you don't grow because you learn how to use poisons and stab people in the back. I know you're not arguing that the height comes from the class, that it only illustrates an example of what a member of that class optimally looks like, but I don't think there needs to be that much differentiation.KLUME777 wrote...
People start arguments over everything...
I also said tall because it seems more rogue-ish as well. So as to differentiate physically from other classes.
I mean, wouldn't you rather three different bodies for DA2 for each class, rather than one universal body? Which people said doesn't fit the warrior class because its too thin and not enough muscle. It fits well for rogue and mage.
What i said before were suggestions for what would look good and fit well with the different classes.
It's not to scale. Which probably means they drew all those separately but combined them for that image, without taking into account relative heights.Slidell505 wrote...
Why are the elves the same height as the humans? How are they going to write that away? The Free marches just happens to be the only place in Thedas that has tall elves? Ah well, it is concept art.
Absolute bull****. Sorry but no offence. "Genetics" don't play a role in being a fighter, anybody, with any frame can become fit/muscular, whether you got a small, large or a medium frame.KLUME777 wrote...
And genetics do play a part in class. You have to fit a certain physical Factors to be a warrior or a rogue, or at least, there are the best possible Physical factors, so if you are a master rogue or warrior, it would be most likely that you were the perfect ideal of what a rogue or warrior may look like.
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SithLordExarKun wrote...
Absolute bull****. Sorry but no offence. "Genetics" don't play a role in being a fighter, anybody, with any frame can become fit/muscular, whether you got a small, large or a medium frame.KLUME777 wrote...
And genetics do play a part in class. You have to fit a certain physical Factors to be a warrior or a rogue, or at least, there are the best possible Physical factors, so if you are a master rogue or warrior, it would be most likely that you were the perfect ideal of what a rogue or warrior may look like.
You're basically saying, "The only way you can become a warrior is to have genetics for it" which is utter bull.
The only time you REALLY need god like genetics is when you want to become like those massive bodybuilders you see on the magazines, all of them being genetically gifted(and that being said, injected with so much steroids,HGH).
To be on topic, i'd rather have the option of pumping up Hawke's body like the option in GTA san andreas.
"Qunari with horns" is a bit redundant. It's not that they're introducing horns, they're informing us that (most) Qunari have had horns already. Sten was actually in the minority.7th_Phoenix wrote...
I don't want to be mistaken but... the concept art... were those qunari with horns? Or a new race?
Modifié par SirOccam, 13 août 2010 - 02:31 .
Which is essentially why people in that sport train in the gym to bulk up and strengthen their muscles. Genetics are one thing, training up and bulking up is another. I hate this mentality that "if you don't got the genetics, it therefore means you aren't meant capable of accomplishing the said task. "kayrob wrote...
I have to disagree with this too. A good example of genetics defining class is (American) football. There's a good reason why wide receivers are tall and wiry, linebackers look like tanks, and running backs are more compact and powerful. Respectively, it would be difficult to complete a high pass while keeping both feet in bounds while you fall out of bounds, or protect your quarterback, or make explosive cuts/turns if your body wasn't designed to do it.
It's not lost on me that I keep using sports references by the way, but they do provide excellent examples of body/class specialization.
Slidell505 wrote...
Why are the elves the same height as the humans? How are they going to write that away? The Free marches just happens to be the only place in Thedas that has tall elves? Ah well, it is concept art.
Speaking of height, I want a height slider. I'd like a game that let's my PC be as tall as I am. (6'3')
SithLordExarKun wrote...
Which is essentially why people in that sport train in the gym to bulk up and strengthen their muscles. Genetics are one thing, training up and bulking up is another. I hate this mentality that "if you don't got the genetics, it therefore means you aren't meant capable of accomplishing the said task. "kayrob wrote...
I have to disagree with this too. A good example of genetics defining class is (American) football. There's a good reason why wide receivers are tall and wiry, linebackers look like tanks, and running backs are more compact and powerful. Respectively, it would be difficult to complete a high pass while keeping both feet in bounds while you fall out of bounds, or protect your quarterback, or make explosive cuts/turns if your body wasn't designed to do it.
It's not lost on me that I keep using sports references by the way, but they do provide excellent examples of body/class specialization.
Training your body allows your body to become stronger, take much more resistance. Genetics are simply just one factor, its true they DO play a role, but they aren't "the end be all". This is the reason why so many people can never dedicate themselves to training to bring out their full potential because they believe in Genetics too much.
And look at people like Bruce lee, he isn't as large as a bodybuilder nor is he as large as a an american Footballer and he is an accomplished fighter who conditioned his body.
Modifié par kayrob, 13 août 2010 - 03:06 .
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I never disagreed that genetics do play a role, and a warrior doesn't necessarily mean you have to be massively built like a bodybuilder, why is it some of the best fighters are lean and shredded rather than built like a bodybuilder? Look at all the muay thai fighters in thailand, they aren't even large yet they can knock the living crap out of even the largest bodybuilders in existence.kayrob wrote...
SithLordExarKun wrote...
Which is essentially why people in that sport train in the gym to bulk up and strengthen their muscles. Genetics are one thing, training up and bulking up is another. I hate this mentality that "if you don't got the genetics, it therefore means you aren't meant capable of accomplishing the said task. "kayrob wrote...
I have to disagree with this too. A good example of genetics defining class is (American) football. There's a good reason why wide receivers are tall and wiry, linebackers look like tanks, and running backs are more compact and powerful. Respectively, it would be difficult to complete a high pass while keeping both feet in bounds while you fall out of bounds, or protect your quarterback, or make explosive cuts/turns if your body wasn't designed to do it.
It's not lost on me that I keep using sports references by the way, but they do provide excellent examples of body/class specialization.
Training your body allows your body to become stronger, take much more resistance. Genetics are simply just one factor, its true they DO play a role, but they aren't "the end be all". This is the reason why so many people can never dedicate themselves to training to bring out their full potential because they believe in Genetics too much.
And look at people like Bruce lee, he isn't as large as a bodybuilder nor is he as large as a an american Footballer and he is an accomplished fighter who conditioned his body.
I would say that MOST athletes train in the gym to become stronger and better at what they are already naturally good at. I agree with you that Bruce Lee is an accomplished fighter and super strong, but I look at him and think rogue, not warrior (it might just be that I watched too many ninja movies in my youth and equate them with popping out of the shadows when you least expect it). And I agree with you too, that if you want to run a marathon, you should train to do it. Why not? But if you've been a natural sprinter all of your life, you just might not excel at long distance running like you might at sprinting if you trained for it instead.
I doubt we'll get a body type slider option for DA2, but I'll settle for more athletic female no matter what class she'd be better at
*edit: grammar
SithLordExarKun wrote...
Absolute bull****. Sorry but no offence. "Genetics" don't play a role in being a fighter, anybody, with any frame can become fit/muscular, whether you got a small, large or a medium frame.KLUME777 wrote...
And genetics do play a part in class. You have to fit a certain physical Factors to be a warrior or a rogue, or at least, there are the best possible Physical factors, so if you are a master rogue or warrior, it would be most likely that you were the perfect ideal of what a rogue or warrior may look like.
You're basically saying, "The only way you can become a warrior is to have genetics for it" which is utter bull.
The only time you REALLY need god like genetics is when you want to become like those massive bodybuilders you see on the magazines, all of them being genetically gifted(and that being said, injected with so much steroids,HGH).
To be on topic, i'd rather have the option of pumping up Hawke's body like the option in GTA san andreas.
7th_Phoenix wrote...
I don't want to be mistaken but... the concept art... were those qunari with horns? Or a new race?
SithLordExarKun wrote...
I never disagreed that genetics do play a role, and a warrior doesn't necessarily mean you have to be massively built like a bodybuilder, why is it some of the best fighters are lean and shredded rather than built like a bodybuilder? Look at all the muay thai fighters in thailand, they aren't even large yet they can knock the living crap out of even the largest bodybuilders in existence.
As for the sprinter part, theres no saying that you "will not excel at marathon" because you CAN train and condition yourself for it.
My friend wasn't genetically inclined to be a bodybuilder, he was an ectomorph(look up the terms incase you don't know what it means yet he beat alot of other genetically gifted bodybuilders in the competitons(which includes winning the gold medal 5 times, 3 for SEA games and 2 for Asian games) against asia's top bodybuilders in his category.
Hell I'm considered more genetically inclined for the sport than him, yet i would lose out to him without question seeing he trained for nearly 18 years while i, only a measly 1year and a half.
You clearly are naive beyond belief. Was bruce lee a genetically gifted fighter? First, try to be consistent, and try backing up your ridiculous assertions.KLUME777 wrote...
SithLordExarKun wrote...
Absolute bull****. Sorry but no offence. "Genetics" don't play a role in being a fighter, anybody, with any frame can become fit/muscular, whether you got a small, large or a medium frame.KLUME777 wrote...
And genetics do play a part in class. You have to fit a certain physical Factors to be a warrior or a rogue, or at least, there are the best possible Physical factors, so if you are a master rogue or warrior, it would be most likely that you were the perfect ideal of what a rogue or warrior may look like.
You're basically saying, "The only way you can become a warrior is to have genetics for it" which is utter bull.
The only time you REALLY need god like genetics is when you want to become like those massive bodybuilders you see on the magazines, all of them being genetically gifted(and that being said, injected with so much steroids,HGH).
To be on topic, i'd rather have the option of pumping up Hawke's body like the option in GTA san andreas.
No, anyone can be a warrior, but to be an absolute master, the best of the best, which is what you are in Dragon Age, you do have to be naturally gifted with the genetics.
KLUME777 wrote...
Somehow, idont see my Female Human Noble training at bodybuilding for 18 years. And i didnt say thay have to look like a body builder, they just have to look like a warrior.
KLUME777 wrote...
No, anyone can be a warrior, but to be an absolute master, the best of the best, which is what you are in Dragon Age, you do have to be naturally gifted with the genetics.
Just to clarify, I don't think "warrior" build vs "rogue" build means that one is a better fighter than the other. But I do believe that genetics does shape how they fight. In DA I think a warrior should look like a tank: a bigger, solid, intimidating figure that is first in the fight and can equally protect the other party members while dealing some serious damage.SithLordExarKun wrote...
kayrob wrote...
I would say that MOST athletes train in the gym to become stronger and better at what they are already naturally good at. I agree with you that Bruce Lee is an accomplished fighter and super strong, but I look at him and think rogue, not warrior (it might just be that I watched too many ninja movies in my youth and equate them with popping out of the shadows when you least expect it). And I agree with you too, that if you want to run a marathon, you should train to do it. Why not? But if you've been a natural sprinter all of your life, you just might not excel at long distance running like you might at sprinting if you trained for it instead.
I doubt we'll get a body type slider option for DA2, but I'll settle for more athletic female no matter what class she'd be better at
*edit: grammar
I never disagreed that genetics do play a role, and a warrior doesn't necessarily mean you have to be massively built like a bodybuilder, why is it some of the best fighters are lean and shredded rather than built like a bodybuilder? Look at all the muay thai fighters in thailand, they aren't even large yet they can knock the living crap out of even the largest bodybuilders in existence.
As for the sprinter part, theres no saying that you "will not excel at marathon" because you CAN train and condition yourself for it.
My friend wasn't genetically inclined to be a bodybuilder, he was an ectomorph(look up the terms incase you don't know what it means yet he beat alot of other genetically gifted bodybuilders in the competitons(which includes winning the gold medal 5 times, 3 for SEA games and 2 for Asian games) against asia's top bodybuilders in his category.
Hell I'm considered more genetically inclined for the sport than him, yet i would lose out to him without question seeing he trained for nearly 18 years while i, only a measly 1year and a half.
Tirigon wrote...
KLUME777 wrote...
Somehow, idont see my Female Human Noble training at bodybuilding for 18 years. And i didnt say thay have to look like a body builder, they just have to look like a warrior.
Not the way female warriors should look.
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