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kayrob wrote...

You can't really say for sure that your friend wasn't genetically inclined to succeed in bodybuilding...otherwise how did he?


Read the linky I sent you :P  You're probably right that he's somwhat genetically inclined - but one can't overestimate the advantage that gives - he would still have to work extremely hard (possibly even aided with steroids, eek).  With enough time, consistency and dedication, it's not impossible.  Torres - or even Leonidas - though... not nearly as difficult - comfortably within reach for most guys they're age (especially the former).

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'Explore different standards of beauty'



Which means giving all the women full lips and prominent cheekbones aswell as bountifull hips and assets. hm.

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Hmm..all females have large breasts (HUGE in the case of elven female) , full, small mouth and wide hips. All males have broad holders. This is definitely not so different in the shape department. Elven female should be flat chested and her hips should be narrow as well as male shoulders. At least elven ears are horse-like (like they were on the sithe or alfs-not Lotro elves) , and they have narrow, long faces with exotic eyes and nose.

DAO elves were humans with the pointy ears-and fans do not helped it making round faced, small eared, snub-nosed- "little human girls".

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AwesomeName wrote...

kayrob wrote...

You can't really say for sure that your friend wasn't genetically inclined to succeed in bodybuilding...otherwise how did he?


...but one can't overestimate the advantage that gives - he would still have to work extremely hard


It was not my intention to imply otherwise

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Eorion_Moonwing wrote...

Hmm..all females have large breasts (HUGE in the case of elven female) , full, small mouth and wide hips. All males have broad holders. This is definitely not so different in the shape department. Elven female should be flat chested and her hips should be narrow as well as male shoulders. At least elven ears are horse-like (like they were on the sithe or alfs-not Lotro elves) , and they have narrow, long faces with exotic eyes and nose.
DAO elves were humans with the pointy ears-and fans do not helped it making round faced, small eared, snub-nosed- "little human girls".

Why should elven females have male shoulders? Or for that matter, why flat-chested and with narrow hips?

Don't get me wrong, I actually wouldn't mind a not-overwhelmingly-endowed female model, but I'm just wondering why elven females "should" be like that. I agree that they should be distinct from humans, but that seems like a bit much.

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SirOccam wrote...

Why should elven females have male shoulders? Or for that matter, why flat-chested and with narrow hips?

Don't get me wrong, I actually wouldn't mind a not-overwhelmingly-endowed female model, but I'm just wondering why elven females "should" be like that. I agree that they should be distinct from humans, but that seems like a bit much.

Just because the thing that were written under concept states- "Explore different standards of beauty", but instead we have one, human standard of attractiveness.
The ration between shoulders -waist -hips-is the same. Builds are different-but body are generally the same human standard. Wide hips big breast thin waist for females, wide shoulders, thin waist and hips for males. Elves are lithe and slender-such a build do not support large breasts as they are fat-and a race generally have a lower fat rate than humans. Same for the hips. 
But that is just my complaints as I tend ti like boyish girls that are slender and elegant like a young tree.^_^

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[quote]SithLordExarKun wrote...

[quote]kayrob wrote...




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Oh lawdy, that's... horrifying.

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Eorion_Moonwing wrote...

Hmm..all females have large breasts (HUGE in the case of elven female) , full, small mouth and wide hips. All males have broad holders. This is definitely not so different in the shape department. Elven female should be flat chested and her hips should be narrow as well as male shoulders. At least elven ears are horse-like (like they were on the sithe or alfs-not Lotro elves) , and they have narrow, long faces with exotic eyes and nose.
DAO elves were humans with the pointy ears-and fans do not helped it making round faced, small eared, snub-nosed- "little human girls".


Well, actually elves look like humans, only with pointy ears, more slim and infinitely more beautiful.

I wish only one game would ever get this right......

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kayrob wrote...
Just to clarify, I don't think "warrior" build vs "rogue" build means that one is a better fighter than the other. But I do believe that genetics does shape how they fight. In DA I think a warrior should look like a tank: a bigger, solid, intimidating figure that is first in the fight and can equally protect the other party members while dealing some serious damage.

Jesus christ, your belief doesn't make it fact. Look at all the top fighters in the world, no, not those brawlers at UFC but those real Martial Arts masters(even in the united states), they don't even remotely look built like tanks or bodybuilders.

This stigma that "you must  be HUGE like a bodybuilder to be a warrior" is utter and complete bull****.


kayrob wrote...
You can't really say for sure that your friend wasn't genetically inclined to succeed in bodybuilding...otherwise how did he?

First, i know him, you don't. So don't question me if im wrong.

Secondly, i asked you to research what an ectomorph is but apparantly you're too lazy to research it because you don't want to be proven wrong. An ectomorph is someone who is skinny, narrow shoulders, thin and has a hard time puttng on weight.

Thirdly, people who are "genetically inclined" for bodybuilding are [i]already[i] born with wide shoulders, hard muscles and a solid muscle structure, my friend, before training, did not look like this  and became that muscular through years of training and sheer hard work.

He may not be a pure ectomorph but a mix between the two, someone like me who is  an ecto-mesomorph.

Last but not least, no offence but i know why people like you never make it that far(i doubt you're even fit), its because you believe too much in what genetics you were born with, rather than making the best with what you have and striving to succeed, you decide to give up "cuz you aint born with it". Thats the attitude of a failure and a loser, which im sad to say makes up of ALOT of people.

Or do me a favour, go look up this guy called Ade Rai, i have his before pic(but i cant find it) and you wouldn't even believe thats him 15 years ago before he started because he doesn't even look like he has the genetics to become a bodybuilder.

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Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 14 août 2010 - 03:33 .


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I am not fat or big and I am not a bodybuilder but I am good at Taekwondo and my kicks can hurt.

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Some Geth wrote...

I am not fat or big and I am not a bodybuilder but I am good at Taekwondo and my kicks can hurt.

Exactly, Im tired of ignorant and foolish people saying you need to be big to be a fighter when you don't.

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KLUME777 wrote...

asaiasai wrote...

As a male who plays mostly female characters, i figure if i have to watch ass wiggle in my face for hours on end it might as well be attractive female ass, i like the looks of the different races. I like it, each race seems to have a certain sexuality about them, i especially like how they made the dwarven females look less stocky, less of a boobs attached to the standard dwarven physiology to a slimmer version all thier own. I have to say that i really like it, now if they will go the extra step and make each person just a bit individual, more in depth than the same body with a different face, i will even be happier.

Asai


You sir, think exactly as i do!:P

If were forced to stare at an ass, it may as well be female:devil:

EDIT: In fact, im gonna make that my sig :)


I see what you did there and i approve of your message.

Asai

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SithLordExarKun wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

I am not fat or big and I am not a bodybuilder but I am good at Taekwondo and my kicks can hurt.

Exactly, Im tired of ignorant and foolish people saying you need to be big to be a fighter when you don't.

The best fighter I know is a woman who is a bit taller then me and I have seen kick the ass of taller men who think they know how to fight :wizard:.

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SithLordExarKun wrote...

Some Geth wrote...
I am not fat or big and I am not a bodybuilder but I am good at Taekwondo and my kicks can hurt.


Exactly, Im tired of ignorant and foolish people saying you need to be big to be a fighter when you don't.

I don't know... I've seen some black belt whatevers undone by a bear tackle from an otherwise unskilled big guy.

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Em23 wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Some Geth wrote...
I am not fat or big and I am not a bodybuilder but I am good at Taekwondo and my kicks can hurt.


Exactly, Im tired of ignorant and foolish people saying you need to be big to be a fighter when you don't.

I don't know... I've seen some black belt whatevers undone by a bear tackle from an otherwise unskilled big guy.


Im a huge fight fan and let me tell you, when skills at the same level, the bigger guy wins 99% of the time!
And as Em23 posted, a big guy can take down a smaller skilled guy with size alone!

Anyone that watches MMA knows this. The bigger they are, the harder they hit, trained or not.

BJ Penn is the most advanced LW fighter in the world today (for my money anyways) but againts opponents 50 lbs heavier and more, Id be very hard pressed to take BJ as a favorite to win any MMA fight unless hes fighting some super green nobody with almost zero practical training!

Size does matter and if your being told it doesnt, chance are your talking to a smaller person.

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SithLordExarKun wrote...

kayrob wrote...
Just to clarify, I don't think "warrior" build vs "rogue" build means that one is a better fighter than the other. But I do believe that genetics does shape how they fight. In DA I think a warrior should look like a tank: a bigger, solid, intimidating figure that is first in the fight and can equally protect the other party members while dealing some serious damage.

Jesus christ, your belief doesn't make it fact. Look at all the top fighters in the world, no, not those brawlers at UFC but those real Martial Arts masters(even in the united states), they don't even remotely look built like tanks or bodybuilders.

"I don't think "warrior" build vs "rogue" build means that one is a
better fighter than the other." - I really wish you would read. Good thing I'm not religious, or I'd think you were swearing at me!!

SithLordExarKun wrote...
This stigma that "you must  be HUGE like a bodybuilder to be a warrior" is utter and complete bull****.

kayrob wrote...
You can't really say for sure that your friend wasn't genetically inclined to succeed in bodybuilding...otherwise how did he?

First, i know him, you don't. So don't question me if im wrong.

Secondly, i asked you to research what an ectomorph is but apparantly you're too lazy to research it because you don't want to be proven wrong. An ectomorph is someone who is skinny, narrow shoulders, thin and has a hard time puttng on weight.

It doesn't make it impossible to do so, however, as the photos of your friend illustrate.

Thirdly, people who are "genetically inclined" for bodybuilding are [i]already[i] born with wide shoulders, hard muscles and a solid muscle structure, my friend, before training, did not look like this  and became that muscular through years of training and sheer hard work.


god help the poor mothers who deliver those babies!!

He may not be a pure ectomorph but a mix between the two, someone like me who is  an ecto-mesomorph.


Excellent! Makes it easier to build muscle when you are a combination type.

Last but not least, no offence but i know why people like you never make it that far(i doubt you're even fit), its because you believe too much in what genetics you were born with, rather than making the best with what you have and striving to succeed, you decide to give up "cuz you aint born with it". Thats the attitude of a failure and a loser, which im sad to say makes up of ALOT of people.


No need to be insulting. I'm very successful thank you very much. I strive to excel at the things I'm good at, and don't waste my time and energy on the things that I'm not good at (or the things that I hate doing).

Or do me a favour, go look up this guy called Ade Rai, i have his before pic(but i cant find it) and you wouldn't even believe thats him 15 years ago before he started because he doesn't even look like he has the genetics to become a bodybuilder.

Nah. You'll only read what you want to read no matter what I say.

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No, if i trained enough, i have no doubt i would be an excellent warrior. However, if i trained the same amount to be a rogue, i would be a better rogue than warrior due to my natural genetic build. And UFC ARE real warriors, and would beat the martial artists in a brawl.

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kayrob wrote...

It doesn't make it impossible to do so, however, as the photos of your friend illustrate.


Self ownage i guess, so you basically agree with me despite your arguments and implications that if you dont got the genetics, you aren't meant for the sport or role. Good job on arguing like a broken record by the way. And by the way, "success" is subjective. I can simply label you "succesful" when observing you picking up a piece of paper.

Kalfear wrote...


Im a huge fight fan and let me tell you, when skills at the same level, the bigger guy wins 99% of the time!
And as Em23 posted, a big guy can take down a smaller skilled guy with size alone!



Anyone that watches MMA knows this. The bigger they are, the harder they hit, trained or not.

BJ
Penn is the most advanced LW fighter in the world today (for my money
anyways) but againts opponents 50 lbs heavier and more, Id be very hard
pressed to take BJ as a favorite to win any MMA fight unless hes
fighting some super green nobody with almost zero practical training!

Size
does matter and if your being told it doesnt, chance are your talking
to a smaller person.

Kalf, would you do me a favour and read my
posts properly? I never said size wasn't an advantage, i just said you
don't need to be BIG like a bodybuilder to be a fighter. Yes, size DOES
help against another smaller fighter but only if you have the skills to
fight.

I have seen with my own eyes 5'6 muay thai combatants in
thailand(140lbs) took out american bodybuilders who weighed 260lbs on
steroids rather easily, size alone don't dictate the outcome of a fight.

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Oh god Muay Thai I lost big time to a fighter who was good at Muay Thai back in 09 I have bad dreams about it to this day.

Modifié par Some Geth, 14 août 2010 - 05:33 .


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KLUME777 wrote...

No, if i trained enough, i have no doubt i would be an excellent warrior. However, if i trained the same amount to be a rogue, i would be a better rogue than warrior due to my natural genetic build. 

You keep saying this but never substantiate what you mean or offer a single shred of proof of evidence. If you can train to be a warrior, you can train to be a rogue. And by the way, grow up. Theres no "rogue class" in real life, so it doesn't matter what your build is or how you train.

The Samurai, Knights, Ninja's, The Navy seals, The SAS, The Rangers, The Spetznaz, are all pretty much warriors, and they don't require you to have massive canonball shoulders or to be as massive as people like Ronnie Coleman.

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SithLordExarKun wrote...

 Kalf, would you do me a favour and read my
posts properly? I never said size wasn't an advantage, i just said you
don't need to be BIG like a bodybuilder to be a fighter. Yes, size DOES
help against another smaller fighter but only if you have the skills to
fight.

I have seen with my own eyes 5'6 muay thai combatants in
thailand(140lbs) took out american bodybuilders who weighed 260lbs on
steroids rather easily, size alone don't dictate the outcome of a fight.


And as i said, your charact is an abosulete master with the best traits, so he/she will be skilled and big as a warrior. And most of the time, warriors in DAO are tanks with swords, not unarmed Thai martial artists.

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Personally, I wouldn't mind there being 2-3 different bodytypes per each race.

for example, women. you'd have the normal one, one a bit thinner and flatter, and one who is a bit bulkier.

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EDIT: accidetal double post, sorry.

Modifié par KLUME777, 14 août 2010 - 05:44 .


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KLUME777 wrote...

And as i said, your charact is an abosulete master with the best traits, so he/she will be skilled and big as a warrior. And most of the time, warriors in DAO are tanks with swords, not unarmed Thai martial artists.

Do you seriously think any single warrior with a sword in the medival ages was as large and built as Conan the Barbarian?(Arnold Schwarzenegger)  Let me tell you the answer : No.


I said this because you keep implying you have to be built like a tank to be a fighter or a warrior. You clearly missed my entire point by the way and now you're trying to argue something else.