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[MKDAWUSS]

I can totally picture female Qunari standing around baking cookies and cakes all day...





Anyway, I wouldn't mind having a female Qunari companion. While she would probably just be a substitute for Sten in terms of gameplay, I would hope that storywise, she's her own character.

[AntiChri5]

A female qunari fighting would be like a male qunari cooking



(thats one of the female roles........right?)



Its sometging they would only ever do out of absoloute necessity.



If Sten was trapped alone for a week in a building full of cooking ingredients he would have a go at making a meal, to not do so would be simply retarded, even though he is a warrior defined by that role eating is still crucial to his survival.



Wouldnt any female Qunari who dedicated her life to martial training be, by definition, Tal-Vashoth?Since she is, clearly, not following the Qun.



Unless its a different interpretation of the Qun that has started this schism in Qunari society.

[Aigyl]

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

Just thinking about it angers me. I really am a story person and I digested the lore from the Warcraft series. A lot of things in World of Warcraft are totally suspect in the lore department.

I hear ya. I pretty much gave up on Warcraft's lore at the Argent Tournament. I enjoyed the gameplay but I just could not see how the Argent Crusade, an organisation made up mainly of Paladins and Priests, would suddenly hold a contest involving killing off large numbers of their own allies to determine who's worthy of going to Icecrown Citadel. 

After that I just played WoW for the gameplay and mingling with my fellow friends / guildies. And ended up quitting a few months later now I come to think of it

[Giant ambush beetle]

Female Qunari fighter wouldn't be a problem, can you remember the Qunari mercenaries? Maybe a female Qunari left the Qun to become a warrior?

[NugWrangler]

A female rogue would make more sense. I think sten said that women could be merchants, so perhaps dealing with the shadier side of that profession like pirates and smugglers could have taught her some rogue skills. Or perhaps the Qunari have a spy profession that isn't gender specific.



Though if we get a female qunari party member at all I am almost positive she would would be an exile. Otherwise I don't see why she would stay with you for years on end instead of just going back to her people. Unless during that time you somehow convince her to abandon her culture.

[KSuri]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Haha, the Qunari in that picture didn't look like she spent her day shopping and washing clothes in a river.

No she looked exactly how you might expect a female who is the product of generations of selective breeding to produce a superior quality of warriors to look. If you think about the amount of work involved in farming without machines, carrying water or firewood, or (yes) even washing clothes in a river, why is it surprising to see a well structured, muscular female?

I wonder if the Qunari don't have a certain Spartan mentality when it comes to defense, everyone learns it but only the warriors steadily practice the actual art of war.

[Ulicus]

Saibh wrote...

I'm pretty sure that the qunari are strict with their roles in society. "Women don't fight" Sten said--there are no qunari female fighters. There are probably Tal-Vashoth female warriors, but they're not qunari. I think that's a bit of an oxymoron.

I think, colloquially, the Tal-Vashoth would be called Qunari by everyone else in Thedas... if only because it's less syllables.

EDIT: Wait, no it's not.... *facepalm*

Ignore me. It's usually the wisest course.

Modifié par Ulicus, 09 août 2010 - 04:27 .

[Bobad]

BPearl12 wrote...

A female rogue would make more sense. I think sten said that women could be merchants, so perhaps dealing with the shadier side of that profession like pirates and smugglers could have taught her some rogue skills. Or perhaps the Qunari have a spy profession that isn't gender specific.

Though if we get a female qunari party member at all I am almost positive she would would be an exile. Otherwise I don't see why she would stay with you for years on end instead of just going back to her people. Unless during that time you somehow convince her to abandon her culture.

I like the idea of Qunari spies, but I think they would be somewhat conspicuous.

Perhaps those that spread the teachings of the Qun can be female, necessitating spending time away from other Qunari in a sort of missionary/comissar role, as well as a need to be able to defend themselves?

[gingerbill]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Dues ex machina is a painful, painful thing. Maybe everto would apply better. But I don't think Bioware will go against lore just to implement a female Qunari warrior.

They wouldnt have to go against lore , sure qunari woman as a rule dont fight but i'm sure sten wasnt speaking for every single female qunari , just speaking in general . In our own past when woman role's in society were limited there were always those who stood out and went against the norm , not every single qunari woman in the entire world is a clone.

[AntiChri5]

Clearly, you didnt pay enough atention to Sten.

[RogueGeth]

Err...Can I ask a question? What the heck is a Tal-Vashoth!? Also as much as I would like a female qunari companion, no retcon or deus ex machinia for it. I can live without a female qunari companion.

[AntiChri5]

Tal-Vashoth seem to be some sort of Qunari opposition group.



They are (racially, at least) Qunari, but they do not follow the Qun. They seem to use guerrilla tactics.



We dont have much info on them.



Qunari rebels, basically.

[RogueGeth]

(moment of apiphany (is that right?)) In that case that would be awesome. If they use that path that would be awesom, maybe she could an assasin who kills the scouting units (Sten was part of one, I forgot what they are called) or trying to gain support for her cause?

[David Gaider]

What Sten meant was that qunari females don't become soldiers-- they don't live by their blade or get trained in combat. This doesn't mean that they are incapable of fighting when the situation calls for it. That would be a very un-feminine thing to do. If a female qunari persisted down such a path, however, that would call into question their gender-- socially (not biologically, which is something that really only concerns the Tamassrans) qunari are identified by their role. A qunari that fights is a male, for all intents and purposes. Every other qunari would simply refuse to see it otherwise.

This doesn't mean that qunari females are free to be males, if they wish-- the Ben-Hassrath might have something to say about that, as chances are they'd be defying whatever role the Tamassrans had already assigned them.

There is some grey area, mind you. There are female Ben-Hassrath, and they do learn how to fight-- but in a different manner from a soldier. They don't live by their blade. And Tal'Vashoth, of course, break all rules of qunari culture by their very nature. A female qunari who had abandoned the Qun could do as she wished.

[MKDAWUSS]

RogueGeth wrote...

Err...Can I ask a question? What the heck is a Tal-Vashoth!? Also as much as I would like a female qunari companion, no retcon or deus ex machinia for it. I can live without a female qunari companion.

You can ask Sten about it if he mentions something about fiends in the forest in random chatter in the Brecilian Forest

[MKDAWUSS]

David Gaider wrote...

What Sten meant was that qunari females don't become soldiers-- they don't live by their blade or get trained in combat. This doesn't mean that they are incapable of fighting when the situation calls for it. That would be a very un-feminine thing to do. If a female qunari persisted down such a path, however, that would call into question their gender-- socially (not biologically, which is something that really only concerns the Tamassrans) qunari are identified by their role. A qunari that fights is a male, for all intents and purposes. Every other qunari would simply refuse to see it otherwise.

This doesn't mean that qunari females are free to be males, if they wish-- the Ben-Hassrath might have something to say about that, as chances are they'd be defying whatever role the Tamassrans had already assigned them.

There is some grey area, mind you. There are female Ben-Hassrath, and they do learn how to fight-- but in a different manner from a soldier. They don't live by their blade. And Tal'Vashoth, of course, break all rules of qunari culture by their very nature. A female qunari who had abandoned the Qun could do as she wished.

So in other words, they're taught to play defense if necessary, but aren't exactly the first line of defense in the event of an attack, right?

[SteveGarbage]

Although the Qunari woman looks like she could whoop most people - it doesn't necessarily mean she's built to fight. Qunari are not human and that body type - slender but muscular - could just be how Qunari women are genetically built.



As far as we know, women of the Qun are not warriors. That doesn't mean they don't know how or can't fight. It means they don't fight as a profession. So whether or not we'll see a Qunari woman brandishing blades or spells - it's a big maybe.

[captain.subtle]

David Gaider wrote...

What Sten meant was that qunari females don't become soldiers-- they don't live by their blade or get trained in combat. This doesn't mean that they are incapable of fighting when the situation calls for it. That would be a very un-feminine thing to do. If a female qunari persisted down such a path, however, that would call into question their gender-- socially (not biologically, which is something that really only concerns the Tamassrans) qunari are identified by their role. A qunari that fights is a male, for all intents and purposes. Every other qunari would simply refuse to see it otherwise.

This doesn't mean that qunari females are free to be males, if they wish-- the Ben-Hassrath might have something to say about that, as chances are they'd be defying whatever role the Tamassrans had already assigned them.

There is some grey area, mind you. There are female Ben-Hassrath, and they do learn how to fight-- but in a different manner from a soldier. They don't live by their blade. And Tal'Vashoth, of course, break all rules of qunari culture by their very nature. A female qunari who had abandoned the Qun could do as she wished.

Will all due respect, I think Sten's dialogue suggests otherwise. Females NEVER fight as soldiers, is what he indicated.

"

• Sten: Why are you here?
• Leliana: What do you mean?
• Sten: Women are priests, artisans, farmers or shopkeepers. None of them have any place in fighting.
• Leliana: I have no idea how to answer this...
• Sten: It is not done. There is no more to it.
• Leliana: Do you mean your people have no female mages or warriors?
• Sten: Of course not. Why would our women wish to be men?
• Leliana: What are you talking about? They don't wish to be men.
• Sten: They shouldn't. That can only lead to frustration.
• Leliana: Sten...no, never mind. Let's drop this.

"

[RogueGeth]

Ty David Gaider. So that explains Sten doubting Morrigan was a warrior or a female.

EDIT:Got ninja'ed.

Modifié par RogueGeth, 09 août 2010 - 06:23 .

[David Gaider]

captain.subtle wrote...
Will all due respect, I think Sten's dialogue suggests otherwise. Females NEVER fight as soldiers, is what he indicated.

Correct. They are not soldiers, and no female qunari would have that role in their society. They have no place among the warriors, just as Sten said, and are not trained as such. That does not mean they would not defend themselves or their homes if attacked.

[Dave of Canada]

I'm wondering, do Qunari have mages in their species? I know they have mages within the conquered species but it would be interesting to see an 8 foot tall mage with horns.



To add more on the above question, if they DO use mages: Considering how much the Qunari look down on mages, are their talents ever used or is it encouraged to not be used? Will a female mage be attributed to a rank of Combat Healer / Fighter, or will they be expected to never use their abilities for fighting?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 09 août 2010 - 06:34 .

[captain.subtle]

David Gaider wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...
Will all due respect, I think Sten's dialogue suggests otherwise. Females NEVER fight as soldiers, is what he indicated.

Correct. They are not soldiers, and no female qunari would have that role in their society. They have no place among the warriors, just as Sten said, and are not trained as such. That does not mean they would not defend themselves or their homes if attacked.

Sure. I am not doubting servival instinct. Just the training in warfare you mentioned.

[AntiChri5]

@captain subtle:



What do you think a Qunari woman would do if cornered by a hurlock, stand there and die?



A Qunari is defined by their profession, and women cannot be professional fighters. That doesnt mean they are incapable of ever fighting.

[captain.subtle]

AntiChri5 wrote...

@captain subtle:

What do you think a Qunari woman would do if cornered by a hurlock, stand there and die?

A Qunari is defined by their profession, and women cannot be professional fighters. That doesnt mean they are incapable of ever fighting.

Pure mis-interpretation. Sorry.

[Dave of Canada]

AntiChri5 wrote...

What do you think a Qunari woman would do if cornered by a hurlock, stand there and die?

Considering how honorbound and traditionional they are, it wouldn't surprise me if doing anything outside your role can be considered a big no-no and that death would be more honorable.