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[Naltair]

I shot her dead. Go paragon go.

[Kid_SixXx]

tonnactus wrote...

I always let her go.There is a police on illium that had to deal with it.

THIS.

God forbid that Shepard allow law enforcement with actual jurisdiction over the situation handle the case.

Granted, it's nigh-lawless Illium we're talking about so I expect Shepard to have to handle the Elnora situation himself later on and probably on Omega.

To say this again, I am more frustrated with not being able to get a second chance at giving Balak a dirt nap for the attempt to mass exterminate all humans on Terra Nova than I am with letting Elnora slip through my fingers.

[Spartas Husky]

All I have to say, with a very strong attitude towards criminals I have (I believe chain gangs should come back... sow e fix some of the over population in prisons)



But.... what if, you kill her, and find out that the top asari was planning to kill her because she didn't want to kill the volus and the top asari had to do it instead to fufill the contract???



you dont know.... gambling on the bad end is not a nice way to live.

[PsyrenY]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

The salarians are hostages, so scared that they won't trust anyone who doesn't look salarian to them. I thought how that one salarian pulled a gun on me was perfectly normall. I actually felt sorry when I hit him with the Renegade interrupt on one playthrough.

Precisely - had Elnora been sincere, she would have been in the same boat - drawing her gun because she was scared, like the Salarian did. And even if you don't take the interrupt, she lowers her gun immediately after drawing it.

In short, without the metagame knowledge that she is faking (and really wants to be a killer), there's nothing in that scene to make a true paragon want to execute her.

[Naltair]

There are some Renegade interrupts too good to pass up.



This is one of them.

[PsyrenY]

Naltair wrote...

There are some Renegade interrupts too good to pass up.

This is one of them.

My favorite is the guy fixing the Gunship - any Paragon could take that one and not feel guilty, because all you're really doing is tazing him. (There's a damn good reason to do it, too, and EDI warns you beforehand.)

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 11 août 2010 - 03:49 .

[inversevideo]

Everytime I've played, Elnora always reaches behind her back for a weapon, while you are speaking to her.
If she were the innocent 'sorority deb' she claims to be why is she reaching for her SMG?
How does an innocent party girl, who never fired her weapon, suddenly have the cojones to attempt to draw down on 3 heavilly armed individuals? Where does that bravado come from?

I do play Renegon, but even my Paragon Shep would not hesitate to send Elnora into the next life, and let the 'Almighty' sort it out.  Why risk the safety of your team? Elnora is playing at being innocent, but by drawing a weapon, she was clearly just trying to distract you and get off her shots first. And remember, you were warned that each Eclipse sister earns her uniform by murdering someone. So Elnora would not be 'flying the colors' if she did not already kack someone.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Naltair wrote...

There are some Renegade interrupts too good to pass up.

This is one of them.

My favorite is the guy fixing the Gunship - any Paragon could take that one and not feel guilty, because all you're really doing is tazing him. (There's a damn good reason to do it, too, and EDI warns you beforehand.)

I agree. Love that one!

[PWENEFIED]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Naltair wrote...

There are some Renegade interrupts too good to pass up.

This is one of them.

My favorite is the guy fixing the Gunship - any Paragon could take that one and not feel guilty, because all you're really doing is tazing him. (There's a damn good reason to do it, too, and EDI warns you beforehand.)

I agree. Love that one!

Best interrupt ever, AGREED.

[The Interloper]

To be fair, her murderous bravado comes before all of her teamates get shot around her, and there's the fact that as soon as people actually started shooting at her she cowered in the closet. She might loose her taste for killing if you let her go,



But killing her is still fun.

[Airell]

By leting her go it will give you more people to shoot in ME 3. more detail the better

[Kid_SixXx]

PWENEFIED wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Naltair wrote...

There are some Renegade interrupts too good to pass up.

This is one of them.

My favorite is the guy fixing the Gunship - any Paragon could take that one and not feel guilty, because all you're really doing is tazing him. (There's a damn good reason to do it, too, and EDI warns you beforehand.)

I agree. Love that one!

Best interrupt ever, AGREED.

I can't pass up frying Cathka either.  That is just a smart thing to do.

It's also the opposite of the Elnora situation.  You know for certain at that moment in time  that you will most likely be facing that gunship on the wrong side of the rocket tubes, so you may as well strengthen your odds of success / survival with a little sabotage.

[KOKitten]

Kid_SixXx wrote...

So, the impression I'm getting is that most people kill Elnora because of metagame reasons ergo they don't want to feel like chumps when they find out that she actually killed Pitne For's partner.

Nope. First time I killed her was during my first ME2 playthrough.  That Shep was mainly Paragon in both games.  I say "mainly" because I never do pure paragon or pure renegade.  Neither of those feel believable to me.

After you encounter Samara and agree to find the name of the ship, you talk to Pitne For and Detective Anaya.  You can ask both of them about the Eclipse and both will tell you that the Eclipse sisters need to commit a murder to join.

Just in case I had forgotten that little tidbit, Zaeed was gracious enough to remind Garrus and myself that Elnora was wearing an Eclipse uniform.  I appreciated his input but didn't really need it as I also remembered.  Elnora was armed and her story didn't feel right.  Pulling her weapon was not the appropriate way to convince me of her innocence. 

Shepard and company just mowed through a pile of Eclipse mercs to get to this point.  It appears to be common knowledge on Ilium that the way to join the Eclipse is to commit a murder.  Elnora would have known that and agreed to it to be wearing her Eclipse uniform.  Maybe she has remorse now and is telling the truth when she says she pretended to shoot.  I can't really know at that point.  What I do know is that she's wearing the Eclipse uniform, she has a gun, and her sisters can arrive as backup at any moment.  Finding her confession later is just icing on the cake. 

[ciaweth]

I swear to god this is true: I missed the interrupt on Elnora on my mainShep because the cat distracted me. I decided to leave it that way so that I can kick her ass in ME3.



I did put the hurt on Cathka, though.

[PsyrenY]

inversevideo wrote...

And remember, you were warned that each Eclipse sister earns her uniform by murdering someone. So Elnora would not be 'flying the colors' if she did not already kack someone.

The problem I have with that logic is that you've just given Shepard a license to kill anyone who's ever killed someone else before. He certainly has that right legally (in Council Space, anyway), but that's not a very Paragon way of thinking.

The true Paragon way is "kill only when necessary." Yeah, she's killed someone (which is not quite the same as being "a killer"), and yes, she pulls a gun on you - which she has no intention of firing when you don't pull yours. She's made some bad choices, but that doesn't make going cowboy on her become the only reasonable response.

As a matter of fact, it's implied that Pitne's partner is the *only* person she's ever killed. She pulled that job off the night before, so she couldn't have had time to "whack" anyone else. Before your firefight she may well have killed again, but having determined she doesn't have as much of a taste for gunplay as she previously thought might have changed her mind.

Then again, it might not. Hopefully ME3 will shed light on the matter.

[Jonesey2k]

When she tries to pull a gun on me I brass her up every time.



If she was innocent, meh. Better to be tried by twelve than carried by six...

[Aggie Punbot]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Precisely - had Elnora been sincere, she would have been in the same boat - drawing her gun because she was scared, like the Salarian did. And even if you don't take the interrupt, she lowers her gun immediately after drawing it.

And how is Shepard to know that she would immediately lower it after drawing it? And quite frankly, Elnora didn't sound particularly frightened to me whereas the slarian worker did, so I killed her and let him live.

Optimystic_X wrote...

The true Paragon way is "kill only when necessary."

And this is one reason why "pure Paragon" is, in my opinion, utterly stupid. It is not beneath the realm of criminals to pretend to be remorseful or afraid in order to save their own behind or in order to try to kill you (or other people). Remorse (genuine or not) does not automatically absolve you of your crimes.

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 11 août 2010 - 09:23 .

[Asheer_Khan]

What odds of surviving she did have anyway?



She was flanked by Shepard's squaddies and Shep's shields could easy hold first shots so Elnora would be dead before she would known what hit her.



I always let her go just from clear curiosity how this will be played in ME 3, and even if she will go at Omega... there is someone who will keep her in check there or she will end dead lot faster than on Illium.



beside let us be honest Pitne For group weren't so "law abiding" citizens anyway...

[Aggie Punbot]

This brings up an interesting ethical debate: if a criminal commits a crime against another criminal, is it still a crime?

[Jonesey2k]

let them slot each other tbh.

[PrinceLionheart]

Even though I always play paragon, I never let her walk. Seriously she's wearing a merc uniform and then pulls a gun on you after claiming she has nothing to do with everyone who happens to be wearing the same uniform. She brought it on herself.

[tmk]

Optimystic_X wrote...
Precisely - had Elnora been sincere, she would have been in the same boat - drawing her gun because she was scared, like the Salarian did. And even if you don't take the interrupt, she lowers her gun immediately after drawing it.

The salarian starts off by drawing the gun to try and stop you, then lowers it when you tell him you're not an enemy.

Elnora first tells you how she's all innocent and doesn't want to kill, then pulls up the gun on you once you let your guard down. And then reluctantly lowers it after seeing three guns pointed back at her.

I agree that "you chose your side" thing should've been said after shooting her, not before.

TS2Aggie wrote...
This brings up an interesting ethical debate: if a criminal commits a crime against another criminal, is it still a crime?

Of course not. It's perfectly legal for a drunk driver to run over a shoplifter 

Modifié par tmk, 12 août 2010 - 01:48 .

[Spartas Husky]

tmk wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...
This brings up an interesting ethical debate: if a criminal commits a crime against another criminal, is it still a crime?

Of course not. It's perfectly legal for a drunk driver to run over a shoplifter 

HA

legal, I dont think so.... the right thing? I dont think so... but funny as hell, it sure is.

[drunken pyromaniac]

I've never understood the problem with shooting her. Doesn't the volus that gives you the passcard or whatever to get on the elevator at the beginning of that section tell you that to earn the Eclipse uniform, you have to murder somebody? So you know from the get-go she's a murderer and an enemy combatant to boot.

[PsyrenY]

TS2Aggie wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

And how is Shepard to know that she would immediately lower it after drawing it?

It's pretty irrelevant whether Shepard knew it or not - he has state-of-the-art shields and armor, he can risk brushing off a bullet (even one with CUTSCENE POWER!!!) and so has no real argument for self-defense even if he didn't spend the next few seconds after beating her to the draw by berating her poor life choices.

Optimystic_X wrote...

The true Paragon way is "kill only when necessary."

And this is one reason why "pure Paragon" is, in my opinion, utterly stupid. It is not beneath the realm of criminals to pretend to be remorseful or afraid in order to save their own behind or in order to try to kill you (or other people). Remorse (genuine or not) does not automatically absolve you of your crimes.

There's this thing called "due process." Sheriff Shepard is not The Law on Ilium.