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[eyesofastorm]

I'm sorry to Bioware and the hardworking Devs who created it, but I have to say no. There just wasn't that much there for 7 USD. It cost roughly 1/7th of the whole game yet lasts roughly 1/80th of the whole game. At that rate, Bioware's version of DLC looks to confirm the worst of our fears.

[eyesofastorm]

Sorry... double post.... and I don't know how to delete it outright.

Modifié par eyesofastorm, 12 novembre 2009 - 04:19 .

[Eidolonn]

Andrew Eric Knight wrote...

omg stop quoting my poor attempt at being funny!

/cry

It was funny.  Leave the /cry-ing to the pros.

Now.  Get back to work and give me something to spend $7 more on. 

Modifié par Eidolonn, 12 novembre 2009 - 04:25 .

[Obode]

Lets look at it this way instead a new big title is like 49$ with full content so for 7$ you should be able to expect about 1/7 of the content of an average game, at the very least 1/14. wardens keep does not get close to either of these.. Yes you might be able to use up to 1 hour the first time you run trough it, why ? because your spending your time wondering where the F the rest of the content is...
Warden's keep is a 20min content... so the better question is would you really consider a game that lasts 2 hour 20 mins worth 49$ ?

Stone Prisoner was worth the estimated cost, and actually had content.. but Warden's keep was honestly no more then what already shouldve been in the game.. a chest to store items in..

And sad fact is after you get warden's keep you'll neglect the worthy parts of the game cause you know you can simply run there at the start and get the best weapon's aswell as decent and otherwise costy items such as winter's breath..

So personally I would have to say no, if I did not get it as part of deluxe I would have never payd for it.


Edit: and like the person above me said, more like 1/80 yes, honestly id say its more like 1/160th of the content..

the rest of the game was great, but wardens keep was no more then a tease.

Modifié par Obode, 12 novembre 2009 - 04:30 .

[Wickedjelly]

Kelston wrote...

And Avernus really will contact you about his research... in a few months for another 7 dollars when DA:O box sales die down.

That's the part that pisses me off about the content.  I'm surprised more aren't ticked off about that.  It is a bit lame you can't enter the keep afterwards but to me the lamest part of the content is the fact that by the quest's own design you're told there's more that will transpire and yet nothing else happens.

I thought the dlc was rather enjoyable yet short but the fact that it's unfinished, least in my opinion, since supposedly more is suppose to thappen at a later time yet never does...is what really ticked me off.

Unless that is another planned dlc to come at a future time but how's that going to work?  There are different choices to be made that might not even lead to that option and unless they combined 2 dlcs then you would have to buy the one dlc to play the other one?

Modifié par Wickedjelly, 12 novembre 2009 - 04:35 .

[SaBeRVuLcAn]

I bought it mainly because I did not have access to Wynne and needed a Spirit Healer, also to see these "unique abilities" or w/e. So, I bought it, went there, and it lasted less then an hour of boring lore and easy tasks. So if you want a fairly easy reward for 7 dollars, go for it. I didnt really find it enjoyable other then easy loot.

[Wickedjelly]

Obode wrote...
Warden's keep is a 20min content... so the better question is would you really consider a game that lasts 2 hour 20 mins worth 49$ ?

Come on now, I'll agree those that are saying it's 2-3 hours worth or more of content are smoking something and if Bioware really did supposedly say the length of content this dlc provided was longer than that (what some have said anyways-never saw it myelf) they're full of it but there's more than twenty odd minutes worth.

I would say a fair estimate for the average time it would take your average gamer to run through it is one to two hours.  Not saying that as a good thing but lets be fair here at least.

[Direbrute]

People keep comparing the time investment, but it goes deeper than that.



Yes, a movie is ~$14, a latte is ~$5, a house is ~$320,000.



More important than the time is the enjoyment you feel like it provided. Hell, I could pay 25¢ to watch Couples Retreat for 2 hours and I'd still feel like I got ripped off. At the same time I'd happily pay $20 to watch a gem like Barton Fink.



$7 is a rip off if you are unhappy with the content and the misleading "base of operations" debacle.

[KarstenKlausen]

Got it as part of the Digital Deluxe Edition, headed straight for it after Lothering, enjoyed it. Yes, it probably takes around an hour, but the loot was good, the merchant, the smith and the storage is nice, and I also enjoyed the lore about how the Wardens got kicked out of Ferelden.



All in all, I'd have no problem paying another $7 for an equivalent piece of DLC. And not only because the US$ is very low against the €uro currently :-)

[pulcherrima]

For me is not about the meager 7$ of today. I

believe the released DLCs are part of a market study from EA, Bioware or whoever.



Lets assume you are the big boss and have a team working on a DA expansion pack of lets say 40 hours playing time, with the correspondent new features, lore etc. Now you as the decision maker, have 2 options:



1. Release the content as a traditional expansion pack, price around 30$

2. Release 20 separate DLCs over time, 2hour per DLC, at 7$ equals 140$



IF (and that is the point) the DLCs are selling well, do you REALLY doubt what decision to take?



The only way to have traditional expansion packs traditionally priced in the future is that overpriced DLCs do not sell.

So, say no to overpriced, short content. We will have a better future.

[Kelston]

Andrew Eric Knight wrote...

I bought two lattes this morning for 7 dollars.. only lasted 10 minutes

I'm considering peeing them both up and returning them for a refund

Perhaps if every time you attempted to open up your work-related email client, it would constantly give you a pop up suggesting you buy coffee until you buy said coffee (in game DLC advertisement). And that coffee was advertised as lasting you 30-120 minutes of drinking (website says 2-5 hours). And the cup is designed in such a way that if there is a greater than 30 second gap between sips, you can no longer drink the remainder of the coffee (all the people that complained about being locked out without being able to finish the quest). When you finish the coffee, it will give also give you a coupon for more coffee except the coupon expired yesterday (Avernus never actually finishing that research). And you are further prevented from ever purchasing coffee from that store again, though they will offer you a picture of a cup of coffee suggesting that you can look at it every time you want coffee while suggesting that you try some of their other beverages.

Do feel free to log on to a coffeeshop related website and discuss your coffee and have random coffee fanboys make irrelevant and illogical statements defending the coffee that you didn't get to fully enjoy.

Xzenorath wrote...

Where does it say you get a fortress?

Ahhh a Bioware apologist.

How would you define a "base of operations"? Because a Google search for the definition definitely does not give me a result which reads: "A 20' x 20' courtyard with 3 people and a dog".

Not to mention all the in-game inferences while you are doing the content. Reclaim the Grey Warden Keep. The large family will move in and tidy up. I wasn't aware that "me, my cousin, and my brother" constitutes a "large family".

Modifié par Kelston, 12 novembre 2009 - 05:19 .

[Mythgaard]

Not really, no.



Short, the gear is nice but nothing spectacular, the storage chest isn't represented in the Party Camp, and the building is closed after it's over. Also, the blood abilities are less than impressive, mostly due to the drawback (at least on my Rogue), though the passive portion is nice.



Should have been $3.00 USD

[Jharkoff]

Targaryen2009 wrote...

GreenSoda wrote...

... You get ~1 hour of solid DA entertainment as you know it from the main-game, ...

One hour? I probably spent 2-3 hours at Normal difficulty level. But I'm the kind of player who prefers to read and explore everything. I try to complete all the subplots, and I'd rather try to read all the journals, books, etc. than try to finish the game as soon as possible.

The Warden's Keep was well worth the money, I think. It's not only a matter of how long it takes to complete it, but I think the extra information it offers adds depth to the game and the story.

Yeah i argee with Targaryen on this one, it's got a really good story to it very in depth and entertaining, it's well worth reading all the codex's you get helps complete the game really

[Mairo2009]

Question: If I buy WK, can I go through it with only once with as many new characters as I roll? Or can I only go through it once period?

[Dr3xx]

I don't think it was too bad. The only thing I dislike is the challenge to gear level ratio. I would have liked to see less stats on the gear, or encounters that make you reload a few times.

[KarstenKlausen]

Mairo2009 wrote...

Question: If I buy WK, can I go through it with only once with as many new characters as I roll? Or can I only go through it once period?

Once with every character you roll.

[EmperorGruumm]

I have to agree with Kelston 100%. Even though the DLC took me a bit over two hours to do I felt ripped off. The only reason I came to this site after I was done it was because I tried to get back inside to talk to Avernus about his research. I did a quest, checked WK- nothing. Okay, about every hour or two of playing I checked the keep. Nothing- you never get back in and Avernus never finishes his research.



Between that, the fact that my Memory Band glitched on my X-Box hard drive preventing me from playing for an hour (this was the FIRST GAME EVER that I had to call in to get fixed). This game was half done when it came out- I won't be buying Mass Effect 2, and I won't be getting any more DLC. This is the first game I bought new in over a year and it was complete rubbish.



(Also, the Achievements have been glitched which bothers me a bit too)

[Haexpane]

Dr3xx wrote...

I don't think it was too bad. The only thing I dislike is the challenge to gear level ratio. I would have liked to see less stats on the gear, or encounters that make you reload a few times.

Well it's scaled like everything else, so the challenge level is always the same...some people probably did die a few times

[LilMatt]

Being a one time PC gamer i do appreciate the fact that the community has the ability to create mods. But to those who use the "go download the mod" argument, i'm on a console and have no way to gain access to community mods.



Yes i enjoyed the DLC. $7? Sure why not. Though i do feel the need to say that i was excited at the prospect of having a "base of operations" and ended up being rather disappointed at finding out what the end result was.



My 2 cents. Take it for what it's worth......2 cents.

[Wulfhramn]

I'd say it was worth it - but I do feel as if the DLC was misrepresented. It took me about 2 hours to amble my way through, and I thoroughly enjoyed the storyline.



Unfortunately not being able to re-enter/rebuild the keep was a major letdown. I wasn't really expecting all that much in the terms of the keep - but to not actually be able to re-enter it at all . . . well I can certainly understand the sentiment that some people are expressing.



What I'd *like* to see is in a future patch that Bioware will add in a bit of content to allow the player to return to the Keep's interior - it would certainly be a much appreciated act of goodwill for those that feel the advertisements were not entirely truthful. Not that I expect it to happen, but it would be nice.



What I do expect is that somewhere along the line some talented individual will rectify the situation with a mod - not quite as good as an 'official' update, but most serious player mods tend to be of a pretty decent quality. When I finally uninstalled Oblivion a few months ago I also deleted about 20+ gigs worth of mod files - hopefully this community will also support the same sort of mod development!

[Obode]

Well fact is if the consumeers do not speak up when the DLC pack or game for that mather is lackingm you will only be rewarded with future DLC being just as lacking.. especialy when dealing with a company such a EA which just loves capitalizing.

Personally Id like to see high quality DLC like stone prisoner, instead of this patch like content in Wardens keep for future DLC.



As for paying 7$ for a latte.. I would say thats a pretty poor example as paying 7$ for a latte just shows that you do infact waste money.



In my personal opinion warden's keep was in no way worth the 7$ dollars it sells for, its to short, no challenge, and gives out rares like it was candy.. It was more of a item pack then a DlC tbh.

[SunKilMoon]

7 dollars is definitely the limit I'd put on it

5 woulda been perfect



I thought the story was great, the quest was fun---the abilities are interesting and I use some of them for the rest of the game

The storage is great(but can easily be rectified with the storage mod)

Some great gear to get out of there too, and other rewards



If you are a completionist then definitely get it, if you are going to have more than one playthrough then get it---if you are going to play the game then be done with it, don't get it

[PappaCube]

Andrew Eric Knight wrote...

I bought two lattes this morning for 7 dollars.. only lasted 10 minutes

I'm considering peeing them both up and returning them for a refund

Agreed, my champion is still wearing the cool armor  :] 

Which, spoiler or not you can get a slight glimpse of from my portrait.

Modifié par PappaCube, 12 novembre 2009 - 11:29 .