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[JamesX]

DLC is designed to be more expensive relatively than buying a full expansion. That is why lots of company is turning to it. It is a more profitable model. I wouldn't be surprised in the future that games be released in "episodes" each at nearly full price. Like Protoss, Terran, and Zerg all being released at 29.99 (lower than full blow 59.99 for new games) and at different times.

[imkaoo]

As I said in some other topic, I'd GLADLY pay BioWare for Warden's Keep if it was similar to Watcher's Keep - a big, long, difficult dungeon; or similar to the Keep from NWN2; or even something like d'Arnise one...
I'm really, really dissapointed hearing all of this, because I was really hoping to get something like I mentioned. For that price.

And about that dev's post. Well you bought 2 x coffee for 7 bucks. Well I bought bag of coffee and I can make 100 of them for the same price.

Modifié par imkaoo, 13 novembre 2009 - 12:07 .

[Saruya]

Warden's Keep?



Warden's Keep Out - more like.



Hah!

[imkaoo]

http://g4tv.com/thef...1-Million-.html



Say bai bai to better DLCs...

[addiction21]

imkaoo wrote...

http://g4tv.com/thef...1-Million-.html

Say bai bai to better DLCs...

Does your magic 8 ball also tell lotto numbers? I need the pick 6 for D.C. area.

[LSDS]

SunKilMoon wrote...

If you are a completionist then definitely get it, if you are going to have more than one playthrough then get it---if you are going to play the game then be done with it, don't get it

I think that's good advice.  I just want to add that if you're playing on a console then the storage chest is another good reason to get it since we don't have access to the storage mod.

[Kelston]

addiction21 wrote...

imkaoo wrote...

http://g4tv.com/thef...1-Million-.html

Say bai bai to better DLCs...

Does your magic 8 ball also tell lotto numbers? I need the pick 6 for D.C. area.

You completely do not understand business on any level if you actually believe that a company will take more effort than is needed to get your money.

If all sales figures point to the fact that the community will quietly devour the minimal effort that Warden's Keep is, why would you bother putting in more effort?

Business ethics, integrity, and morality means nothing except a good discussion in the college classroom for a day. At the end of the day in the real world, however, sitting in your new Ferrari makes you forget about a lot of things.

But no, keep being mindless and taking whatever you're given.

[pulcherrima]

Kelston wrote...

You completely do not understand business on any level if you actually believe that a company will take more effort than is needed to get your money.

If all sales figures point to the fact that the community will quietly devour the minimal effort that Warden's Keep is, why would you bother putting in more effort?

Business ethics, integrity, and morality means nothing except a good discussion in the college classroom for a day. At the end of the day in the real world, however, sitting in your new Ferrari makes you forget about a lot of things.

But no, keep being mindless and taking whatever you're given.

Completely agree.

All companies are always trying to figure out the maximum price that customers will pays for the product. That basic economics.
If EA/Bioware figures out that gamers will pay an enormously inflated price if they release content thru small DLCs opposite to the traditional expansion packs, guess what will happen.......

It is not about the 7$ of today.
If these "experiments" sell well, say good bye to traditional expansion packs, traditionally priced

[Kelston]

It's pretty cool for it to be advertised as a base of operations when none of the party camp events or dialogue can take place in that little Warden's Keep courtyard.



Couldn't be bothered to at least set IsPartyCamp flag to true if you're going to call it a base of operations?

[lewtz]

I wanna toss out there, I don't think its worth it. Tac on the $15 for Stone Prisoner if you didn't get it and your looking at over $20 for maybe a combined 3hrs of gameplay if you take your time. For $20 I can buy a fullgame like Torchlight, which is small, but still a lot more value, or like others said, a hundred ours or more out of $15 monthly fee in a month for an MMO (which is a good comparison b/c you paid for the game and can consider the $15 time for more content)



So no, I don't think the DLC is worth it.

[addiction21]

Kelston wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

imkaoo wrote...

http://g4tv.com/thef...1-Million-.html

Say bai bai to better DLCs...

Does your magic 8 ball also tell lotto numbers? I need the pick 6 for D.C. area.

You completely do not understand business on any level if you actually believe that a company will take more effort than is needed to get your money.

If all sales figures point to the fact that the community will quietly devour the minimal effort that Warden's Keep is, why would you bother putting in more effort?

Business ethics, integrity, and morality means nothing except a good discussion in the college classroom for a day. At the end of the day in the real world, however, sitting in your new Ferrari makes you forget about a lot of things.

But no, keep being mindless and taking whatever you're given.

I know perfectly well salesmen will do whatever they can to make me part with my hard earned cash it is their job as is mine to be a responsible consumer and know what I am paying for.  So much of the rage and outcry is from people that bought it based soley on the people behind it (Bioware) and the half truths that come with all marketing.  I feel no sympathy for them.

My point was that you cant make a solid prediction on the future or a trend based on a single example.  Say the next few DLC's are very lackluster and people actualy follow are a responsible consumer and purchase them soley on the Bioware name and EA's marketing. That will be more noticable then those that buy it then rush to the forums to share their outcry about how it was so horrible.

Just my opnion but go ahead and continue throwing insults around like you are on the playground at recess.

[Gormakr]

While I was disappointed with the extent of Warden's keep given the price, I did enjoy the limited amount of content that was there. It does seem that the price/value proposition is a bit weak.



I think I'll avoid purchasing additional DLC in the future until I see a number of positive reviews for it.



Lesson learned.

[Gormakr]

Andrew Eric Knight wrote...

I bought two lattes this morning for 7 dollars.. only lasted 10 minutes

I'm considering peeing them both up and returning them for a refund

Sarcasm and crudeness from the community I expect.

Sarcasm and crudeness from a developer representative is very, very disappointing to me.

A LOT of people are questioning the value proposition of the Warden's Keep DLC.  Being sarcastic with them won't get you a lot of converts.

I very much enjoy DAO - it is a well-crafted game up to Bioware's high standards.  Warden's Keep has some good points and some weak points.  It is certainly worth debating those.

[Jonray]

I have no "buyer's remorse" from spending the $7 on Warden's Keep. I found it interesting in the moral questions about how to treat Grandma and the Blood Mage or whether to drink the potion or not. I also really like the armor set.



I can also, however, understand and respect that others may not feel like the value for the money was where they expected it to be. My personal experience and opinion is just different than theirs.

[zalderach]

PC gamers are so spoiled they demand to get everything free, Bioware are trying to make some money on PC gaming here. So they can afford to keep making games like ME and DA.

They are not in the business of giving out free stuff they are in the business of making money. Bioware just happens to make that money by creating awesome games, but because PC gamers are an ungrateful bunch (pirating and such) and they have to make money, DLC is the way to go. I for one enjoyed WK and still use the items and abilities I got there.

Modifié par zalderach, 13 novembre 2009 - 06:40 .

[DangerShoes]

Must say ... Yes! Indeed it is worth it. Even though the Rage Demon is still kicking my *bleep* all over the place. Though I do swear that one day I shall defeat him!!!

[Thomas.Trouble]

As for difficulty, I constantly change it. I try to spend most of the time in Hard difficulty, so I don't get such a nix on my XP as I would in Easy.



I liked the WK mod for the cool gifts you can loot for your party members. This game just goes on and on, I'm an addict.

[LSDS]

Kelston wrote...

If all sales figures point to the fact that the community will quietly devour the minimal effort that Warden's Keep is, why would you bother putting in more effort?

Business ethics, integrity, and morality means nothing except a good discussion in the college classroom for a day. At the end of the day in the real world, however, sitting in your new Ferrari makes you forget about a lot of things.

But no, keep being mindless and taking whatever you're given.

Some of us simply have a different opinion on the DLC and place a different value on it for different reasons.  Not everyone here thinks the same as you do.  And while I have no problem with those who feel that WK wasn't enough content for $7.00, I do not share that opinion.

If you do feel like you're being ripped off the best way to voice your opinion is to avoid making future purchases.  Businesses respond more to you dollar, or lack thereof, than to a handful of outspoken (and in some cases insulting) forum goers.  The sales figure that was mentioned earlier by another poster speaks louder than all of us here combined, I'm sure.

[Haexpane]

It's not a matter of whether or not I think it was "worth $7" it's that the WK DLC in general was disappointing. Adding the chest was a slap in the face, that should have been on the disc.



I'd gladly pay $10 for WK DLC that did not auto seal off after beating it, and allowed a full camp there

[mr_nameless]

This makes it even more a rip off when you think of the soon to be released FREE community mods/adventures. Now thats exiting, remember The Darkest Day for BG2? Fixpacks, Amber...

[Kelston]

LSDS wrote...
If you do feel like you're being ripped off the best way to voice your opinion is to avoid making future purchases.

addiction21 wrote...
My point was that you cant make a solid prediction on the future or a trend based on a single example.

Given the unchanged behavior of EA despite the 1.4 billion dollar loss largely due to the failure of Warhammer (people spoke with their wallets), it is unlikely that not paying EA will result in much of anything.

You've not followed the game industry for long enough if you believe you can give me back the ridiculous "speak with your wallets" mantra.

So it's not a single example, buddy. Run along, fanboys. You're killing the gaming industry by making the games the require the least amount of effort to produce the most profitable and will blindly defend the practice.

Modifié par Kelston, 15 novembre 2009 - 12:41 .

[Sornin]

It is worth it, as you get roughly two hours of solid content with some nice scenes, great dialogue, and good story. I would not listen to people who say it took them under one hour to complete - they either read and watched nothing, cheated, played on easy, or plain lied. It is simply not possible to full experience it and spend under one hour, no matter how great you may be.



You also get some nice items and two new abilities per class, in addition to the storage locker. Furthermore, an extra world event can be triggered that yields two of the best swords in the game (you can only choose one, though).



$7 is a small price to pay for that, when one considers that $7 usually provides a lot less than that in the world of entertainment. As long as future DLC maintains the same high quality I will definitely be buying them all.

[DM Veil]

This thread just makes me happy I got the digital deluxe edition so that the keep was included for the same price one would pay for the collector's edition. At the end of the day all DLC content released by Bioware now and in the future should be thought of as treats, because that's really all they are and it's up to you if you want to spend your money on them or not.



I think the $7 people pay for this DLC is fine since it'll always be there for each character you take through the game, unlike a cup of coffee that's only good once.

[Ghandorian]

mr_nameless wrote...

This makes it even more a rip off when you think of the soon to be released FREE community mods/adventures. Now thats exiting, remember The Darkest Day for BG2? Fixpacks, Amber...

The same people that brought us wardens keep GAVE us the tool set. This site is set up to deliver us DLC made by the community as well as BioWare. I think we may see something happen between the two sources. BioWare and EA know they will have to offer better content if they wish to charge to charge for it so in a way they are allowing us to set the benchmark for them. And also some of these "underground gamer designers" making the content deserve some monetary reward for excellent content. Who knows where all this might go?

[Mich-cz]

It would be worth it if they added one or two quests AFTER it ends - I had thought we would get to explore castle basement or something like that (there are too many non-functional doors) - some reason for us to return there. The castle itself could provide wonderful "base of operation" it terms of mage tower for mages, barracks for warriors and some super-secret room for rogues. Interior would have to be redesigned little but I think it would be much better that way.