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[ejoslin]

Raelis25 wrote...

ROTFL at the Zev/Oghren animation!

I have a question for you, fellow Zev lovers. Reading through the old threads, I saw someone mentioning that Zevran has a special line for the mage PC (something about being turned into a toad? Something similar to Alistair's line, I think), and I would like to know when he says this, because I have just played the entire game as a mage romancing Zevran and I didn't hear anything of the sort. And second question: does he have any other special Origin-specific lines for the PC? I remember him saying something to my elf, something about the discrimination towards elves, but that's all. Thanks in advance!

the toad comment is a party bark in the mage tower.  So you have a 1/3 chance of getting it.  it isn't romance related at all.

He has a few different lines for Dalish elves, and of course, when he talks about home, you can bring up your origin.  But nothing really earth shattering.  Of course, like all LIs he has a line for city elves when going back to the Alienage, if you're getting married to royalty he has something to say about that as well, and, ummm, a couple of slight differences if you're a dwarf noble (you can tell gorim you're in love with an elf, and you have one more dialog choice when talking to Bhelen's second when Zevran says his piece).

edit; top, YAY!

Modifié par ejoslin, 19 novembre 2010 - 02:38 .

[Corker]

If you've gotten it into your head
To take an Antivan to bed
Look and take heed
And carefully read
The one hundred pages of thread!

[Raelis25]

Thanks, ejoslin! I was worried I had missed something. Congratulations on the 100th page!

[ICevoL]

*digs out from under obligations to check in*



Hi thread! Happy page 100 -- woohoo! *tosses confetti*



Kornichon, that gif... it is priceless! You are a freakin' genius... LOL!!!

[TanithAeyrs]

@Kornichon - Love the animation, priceless



@Corker - perfect poetry for 100 pages of Zev

[Kornichon]

glad you like my silly animation guys!

for the caption :
zev : "so you draw me this big? I like this."
(ok it's lame XD )


but yaaay 100 pages! must have moaaar Zev pictures here

[ICevoL]

Caption contest entry

Vanastin: "The drek in this one is even worse than that poem you recited to me."
Zevran: "Ah, but you are ignoring the most important part.  This book has illustrations."

[jenovan]

I have soooo much (about 15 pages?!) to catch up on, but -- happy 100th page, gais! 

[Minaleth]

LOL @ all caption contest entries so far Keep it rolling :3

[EccentricSage]

ejoslin wrote...

soignee wrote...

ah, bisexuality. Zevran is less confused about it then I am. Not done the Leliana romance in depth, so alas can't mention anything about it.

i was just seriously impressed with the writing.  The differences are subtle, but make a huge difference.

When Leliana is fixed properly so her female dialog goes only to females and her male dialog goes only to males, she has quite a striking difference as well.  With women she is supposed to be far more open, more emotional.  With males, she's supposed to be a lot more coquettish.  Her bugs really are a shame.  Women get her best dialog, but that makes sense -- women often relate differently to other women than they do to men.
*edited upon request*

Aaaah, so she's buged, too?  I only atempted to romance her once with Dristen, but by time her aproval got high enough, he was already in a serious relationship with Zevran at Adore and had already dumped Morrigan.  My Dalish moves fast I guess.  XD  And she just started to get kind of anoying... and he found the whole Margolane thing both annoying and creeeeeepyyyyy...

Now I'm calling everything into question.  I'll have to try again.  It pisses me off that whoever was in charge of setting the flags and everything never fixed the bugs themselves.  The rest of the staff put all that work and resorces into the dialogue and interaction, just for someone to completely f*** it up, and never patch it?  So now only those of us who have the computer version and are the most seriously into this game will know it's bugged, that there are mods, and will experience the game as it was intended.  WTF.


You know, I hate hate hate that people are treated differently based on their sex.  But I appreciate the fact that including the real life sexism in game dialogue IS realistic.

Me... I... Don't get the whole women being all full of fluff and emotional and stuff...  All the women I'm close to IRL are rather masculine or a mix of masculine and feminine like me, so... It's just really freekn' unsettling to me.  I frankly don't trust it. And if sex is not for fun, then what IS it for, aside from the whole reproduction function?  I mean, if it were not a lot of fun, there would be no babies.  It would be far too gross and inconvenient.  Just sayn'.  I really think it's a terrible shame women STILL have that tendancy towards always needing some socially acceptable alterior motives or excuses to enjoy themselves, or for men to talk about enjoying themselves.  Which is not to say that I think sleeping around like crazy is good... personal responsability and all that... just that sex is just sex, it's anything you make of it, so wtf women?

And to be clear, that was not a criticism of the writing, nor an argument against what anyone in the thread is saying.  Not at all.  Just needed to get that off my back.

Modifié par EccentricSage, 21 novembre 2010 - 04:58 .

[ejoslin]

I found the subtle differences between the same gender/different gender romances actually quite sensitively done. Of course, I'm not saying, "only this approach will work for a male and this approach will work for a female."

Most of the lines are the same which is what makes the differences so interesting.

the whole game, though, has a very different feel between males and females. Banters are slightly different, dialogs are slightly different. not vastly, but just enough to give things a different tone. That doesn't mean the females are portrayed as delicate little flowers or emotional weak people. they're not. they're still the strongest, most asskicking person around.

But take sexual history starting line for males, "Have you always..." and Zevran makes a joke, kind of cutting the tension, then goes on and holds nothing back. whereas with a woman, Zevran starts it quite a bit more seriously, letting her know she might not like what she'll hear, and while he doesn't lie, he focuses on the business aspect of it. both conversations work really well.

Could the dialogs be the same and still work? Of course. But i like that they're different. I like that he's more guarded with a female and more direct with a male.

Edit; regarding Leliana, it's only one conversation that is markedly differently, and the romance starts a bit differently as well.  there's more flirting between a male warden and her than with a female (though not romance related).  Leliana doesn't gush at a female and stay all guarded with a male in the conversation i'm thinking of.  However, I also think comparing a female to Marjolaine has different implications than comparing a male with her (which isn't supposed to happen).

Edit: Please change my last line in the post that seems to be offensive to, ummm, women often relate differently to other women than they do to men.  I think the dialogs come across as very natural, but i wasn't trying to say anyone is supposed to act in a certain way nor react to each other in a certain way by virtue of their gender @@

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 novembre 2010 - 12:03 .

[wildannie]

Kornichon wrote...

glad you like my silly animation guys!

for the caption :
zev : "so you draw me this big? I like this."
(ok it's lame XD )


but yaaay 100 pages! must have moaaar Zev pictures here

I'm a bit late with the praise but that animation is all kinds of AWESOME, I love!

[EccentricSage]

ejoslin wrote...

I found the subtle differences between the same gender/different gender romances actually quite sensitively done. Of course, I'm not saying, "only this approach will work for a male and this approach will work for a female."

Most of the lines are the same which is what makes the differences so interesting.

the whole game, though, has a very different feel between males and females. Banters are slightly different, dialogs are slightly different. not vastly, but just enough to give things a different tone. That doesn't mean the females are portrayed as delicate little flowers or emotional weak people. they're not. they're still the strongest, most asskicking person around.

But take sexual history starting line for males, "Have you always..." and Zevran makes a joke, kind of cutting the tension, then goes on and holds nothing back. whereas with a woman, Zevran starts it quite a bit more seriously, letting her know she might not like what she'll hear, and while he doesn't lie, he focuses on the business aspect of it. both conversations work really well.

Could the dialogs be the same and still work? Of course. But i like that they're different. I like that he's more guarded with a female and more direct with a male.

Edit; regarding Leliana, it's only one conversation that is markedly differently, and the romance starts a bit differently as well.  there's more flirting between a male warden and her than with a female (though not romance related).  Leliana doesn't gush at a female and stay all guarded with a male in the conversation i'm thinking of.  However, I also think comparing a female to Marjolaine has different implications than comparing a male with her (which isn't supposed to happen).

Edit: Please change my last line in the post that seems to be offensive to, ummm, women often relate differently to other women than they do to men.  I think the dialogs come across as very natural, but i wasn't trying to say anyone is supposed to act in a certain way nor react to each other in a certain way by virtue of their gender @@

I'm not offended.  XD   I didn't think you meant it as women and men having to be specific ways or anything.  lol 

It was a little sad to me, that Zevran won't be as direct with a female character.  Understandable, I guess, but it's an anoying thing to me in real life, too.  I'm just venting, because I'm a very direct woman and I prefer people be direct with me.  I guess I actually don't like sensitivity very much. lol  This happens to be one major reason why I like Zevran's romance so much more than Alistair's.  He's so blunt and sure and honest about who he is.  It's sad to me that his talk to a female about sexuality is different.  I love how he explains it to a male warden.  That is as it should be, IMO.  Basicly, if it were me there, talking to him, and not my character, I would find that he makes an excuse of his job really dissapointing, and I would not believe it for a second, because libidos do not work that way.  lol

Basicly, I think we have different experience in life.  So for you women may relate differently to other women than to men.  That's not wrong, that's just not something I accept in my life... I don't have any persistant interest in people who relate to me based on gender rather than who I am.  I usually make how I am pretty clear with people, and it's ether a problem, or not.  That does not make how YOU feel or how YOU might relate to another wrong.  Just difference in tastes.  Just like how our feelings towards the difference in dialogue is up to taste.  I'm just saying I never got that about people, is all, and tend to suround myself with people who also have a more gender nuetral outlook.

Modifié par EccentricSage, 21 novembre 2010 - 04:57 .

[EccentricSage]

soignee wrote...

Firstly due to circumstance, the current team of the DLC has dissolved and the project has ended. I apologise for the lack of communication, and hope you can understand the amount of effort, money, time and work it would've needed to pull off such a huge and ambitious idea.

I had fun though, and I know others involved did too- if anything, it was lovely to speak and interact with people who were clearly enthusiastic about a subject we clearly all loved.

I decline all involvement od thr DLC from here, since RealLife™ is kicking me in the teeth at the moment; but anyone of you reading this can pick up the idea and run with it, and give Zevran's story the send off it deserves.

Why am I posting this here? Because of my idiocy, that's why; I deleted the DLC group when I left if and did not give control of the group to another before I did so, and I'm trying to see if I can get it back so others can pick it back up if they wish.

I am so sorry. Today has been Soignee fail all over the shop, of which I'm trying to fix.

I had wondered if this might have happened.  I noticed it got real quiet and wondered if  the discussion had simply moved to staff only section, or if everyone had gotten too busy for it.

I had wanted to try to get on the team myself, but ended up not having time.  I strongly suspect a lot of people won't be having time untill the holidays are over, too.

Do you think maybe someone can pick it back up after the chaos of the holidays is over?  I do hope you can get the DLC group back.    There were such great threads there!   I was working on some writing and concept art examples in hopes of getting on the team, right before things got hectic and money got tight, too. 

If any of the tech savy people are willing to take the reigns, I'll eagerly send the samples and help. 

[jenovan]

Now that I'm finally caught up, I bring things!

First, a super late response to maradeux's prompt a few weeks ago:  Small Victories

And since I see Tell's commission gift from Sresla made an appearance here, here is the one I received:


by Reliah on deviantArt

[yesnomaybe]

ejoslin wrote...

I found the subtle differences between the same gender/different gender romances actually quite sensitively done. Of course, I'm not saying, "only this approach will work for a male and this approach will work for a female."

Most of the lines are the same which is what makes the differences so interesting.

the whole game, though, has a very different feel between males and females. Banters are slightly different, dialogs are slightly different. not vastly, but just enough to give things a different tone. That doesn't mean the females are portrayed as delicate little flowers or emotional weak people. they're not. they're still the strongest, most asskicking person around.

But take sexual history starting line for males, "Have you always..." and Zevran makes a joke, kind of cutting the tension, then goes on and holds nothing back. whereas with a woman, Zevran starts it quite a bit more seriously, letting her know she might not like what she'll hear, and while he doesn't lie, he focuses on the business aspect of it. both conversations work really well.

Could the dialogs be the same and still work? Of course. But i like that they're different. I like that he's more guarded with a female and more direct with a male.

It's not just gender differences in the "Have you always... " conversations, though. Men ask about his sexuality and women ask about how many other women he's slept with. It's technically two different questions so he gives different answers.

I'm not saying he doesn't treat men and women differently, though. The thing that sticks out for me is in one of the conversations about his childhood and you answer something along the lines of "I'm so sorry for you!" as a man, he seems to get a little uncomfortable and says "That's very kind of you to say, but it is not necessary" but if you say the same thing as a woman, he seems pleased with "An, compassion and beauty both in the same woman. It is a delight, truly, though what you say is unnecessary even if it is appreciated. The toolset says for the male version "Said with a shrug - he's not used to compliments" which sounds really strange, since it isn't really a compliment....

But before I get too sidetracked, my point was that he generally seems more flirty with women to me and more careful and sometimes unsure with male romances, mostly it seems because he'll not sure how exactly the warden will view homosexuality. So to me, it seems liked he's a little more guarded with men. Though, he does hide behind his sexuality, so I suppose being flirty could be more like being guarded as well.

[Aroihkin]

Happy 100th page (again!) ZevThread.

Have some bisexual Zevran WIP action~

Slash with Tannusen:



Fullsize: 14 hours 30 minutes.

Het with Kismet's Ayla:



Fullsize: 14 hours 10 minutes.

I'm kind of hilariously on-topic for once, aren't I? Hahaha...

I wanted to switch Zevran and Tannu around a bit in this one since Zev's been the one in control the last two times I've drawn them together. Which... coincidentally is the only two pictures of them together. No one else draws them as a pair, it seems. XD Thus, there must be more switching!

The fic series certainly has plenty of switching about...

And Kismet wanted Dom!Zevran in her pic, sooo~ yeah, Dom!Zev.

Zevran's so flexible! And I mean that in several ways, of course.

Modifié par Aroihkin, 21 novembre 2010 - 07:52 .

[HighMoon]

Anagram time!

www.deanjackson.dj/nameanagram/index.php

Zevran Arainai = Via a zanier ran

:/

A few others...

Morrigan = Groin arm
Leliana = Anal lie
Alistair = It as liar
Cousland = Cold anus
Mahariel = Ahem! Liar
Velanna = Lane van
Nathaniel Howe = Whine neat halo
Flemeth = Hem felt
Eamon Guerrin = Manure in ogre
Isolde Guerrin = Religious nerd
Cailan Theirin = In ethical rain
Loghain Mac Tir = Amoral itching
Anora Mac Tir = Maniac or rat
Zathrian = Hi! Tarzan
Cassandra Pentaghast = Crap! Stagnant ass-head
Archdemon = Macho nerd
Dragon Age Origins = Gorgonise a daring
Ridiculously awesome = Mealy, luscious weirdo

And that's my useless post of the day. :3

Modifié par Golden-Rose, 21 novembre 2010 - 08:14 .

[Aroihkin]

Okay, this thing is hilarious!

Tannusen's anagram name is SANE 'N' NUT
Tannusen Surana's anagram name is AN ANUS. A STUNNER
Tannusen D'arco's anagram name is ANNOUNCED STAR

Alleyana's anagram name is A LAY LANE
Alleyana Tabris's anagram name is BLEARILY A SATAN
Alleyana D'arco's anagram name is LOYAL DRACAENA

And some of the canon names you used had pretty great results too. I like Zathrian's. And Eamon's and Isolde's, since one almost dies and the other unwittingly unleashes the zombie apocalypse on the area out of religious shame over her kid being a mage. XD

Modifié par Aroihkin, 21 novembre 2010 - 08:21 .

[Kornichon]

Aroihkin! I knew your second pic was gonna be hot but..... but OMG!!! dominating Zev makes me severe nosebleed! <3


anagram for my city elf :
Messalyn = sly means (haha XD)
Messalyn Tabris = stray balminess (uh? what mean balminess?)

[Creature 1]

Blair Surana:  insular Arab  

[soignee]

OLOL.

Missa's is: I AM CRASS SOB



that's right girl, you *are* a crass sunnuvab*tch.

[Kismet76]

Ayla Mahariel: HA! REALLY! I AM A...



A what? O.O

[ejoslin]

EccentricSage wrote...

I'm not offended.  XD   I didn't think you meant it as women and men having to be specific ways or anything.  lol 

It was a little sad to me, that Zevran won't be as direct with a female character.  Understandable, I guess, but it's an anoying thing to me in real life, too.  I'm just venting, because I'm a very direct woman and I prefer people be direct with me.  I guess I actually don't like sensitivity very much. lol  This happens to be one major reason why I like Zevran's romance so much more than Alistair's.  He's so blunt and sure and honest about who he is.  It's sad to me that his talk to a female about sexuality is different.  I love how he explains it to a male warden.  That is as it should be, IMO.  Basicly, if it were me there, talking to him, and not my character, I would find that he makes an excuse of his job really dissapointing, and I would not believe it for a second, because libidos do not work that way.  lol

Basicly, I think we have different experience in life.  So for you women may relate differently to other women than to men.  That's not wrong, that's just not something I accept in my life... I don't have any persistant interest in people who relate to me based on gender rather than who I am.  I usually make how I am pretty clear with people, and it's ether a problem, or not.  That does not make how YOU feel or how YOU might relate to another wrong.  Just difference in tastes.  Just like how our feelings towards the difference in dialogue is up to taste.  I'm just saying I never got that about people, is all, and tend to suround myself with people who also have a more gender nuetral outlook.

ES, he gives the same information to women as he does to men, but it's in a slightly different way.  And the way the conversation goes for females, it makes just as much sense.  I never got the feeling he was using his work as an excuse (quite the opposite -- that he often enjoyed that aspect of the work though not always).  You could look at it as he's telling a female more about something different.

You're making assumptions both about me and my world view.  If anything I'm more masculine than feminine.  Many of my friends completely flip gender roles.  I had a lot more details in here, but I think it detracts.  I'll just say what you assume about me is...  wrong.

My problem was I spoke in generalities, and of course, not everyone falls in a nice neat category.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 novembre 2010 - 02:42 .

[Sarah1281]

Aunn is AN UNDUE. A CAN

I put a few others in there but I think Gorim's is the most amusing. MAGICAL SORE.