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[jenovan]

ejoslin wrote...

What really bothers is, though, is WHY Leliana with her ninja romance bug (and yes, this IS a bug -- her post-Marjolaine conversation is poorly laid out and missing flags -- it was a **** to fix) did not get nearly the venom that Zevran's approval based responses did.

Simple, the sort of people who get violently angry if a male character flirts with them (methinks some of them doth protest too much...) wouldn't be much bothered by a hot redhead chick doing the same.  But I think we knew that already.


In mild defense of the concept of the dialogue wheel, sometimes tone and intent can be totally lost when all you have to go on is text -- see every email or chat you've ever had where something you said jokingly was taken completely the wrong way because they couldn't hear you say it.   And I know people for whom English isn't their first language had some moments of confusion when presented with some sets of dialogue choices.  If the writing of the actual dialogue is clever, and I hope it would be, I can deal with a paraphrase wheel, as long as it actually works the way it's supposed to...


Edit: lulz, first post in days and I get ToP with THAT?  Well fine.

Modifié par jenovan, 02 décembre 2010 - 02:04 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

kaygill wrote...

Hello all, I've been lurking here for a while but haven't gotten around to posting anything yet. I've got a quick question for those of you that write fanfic about Zev. How do you describe Zevran's eyes. In the game they look hazel to me, but I've seen them described anywhere from golden to dark.
I've read (and loved!) works by several of you that I really enjoyed so I thought this'd be a good place to get some advice. I'm just starting out writing fanfic so I'm still trying to figure out good descriptions for Zevran's many lovely features.

Welcome to the forum. Colour is subjective, IMO, and you can call it whatever you (or your characters) perceive it to be. One person says blue, another says purple, etc. As for Zevran, I call it golden-brown, or sometimes just gold or amber. I never call it just brown, but that might be me...those gold glints just grab me every time.

But describe them as you like.   Anyone reading will probably know Zevran, and know what you mean.

ejoslin wrote...

What really bothers is, though, is WHY
Leliana with her ninja romance bug (and yes, this IS a bug -- her
post-Marjolaine conversation is poorly laid out and missing flags -- it
was a **** to fix) did not get nearly the venom that Zevran's approval
based responses did.

That's easy, unfortunately. (Most?) Guys won't care if they get ninja'd by a girl. Getting ninja'd by a guy is an attack against them being REAL MEN.

(Also their intelligence if they didn't see it coming, but that's already been established).

(Edit: Ninja'd by jenovan on that last bit...>.>)

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 02 décembre 2010 - 02:52 .

[Kismet76]

jenovan wrote...

And I know people for whom English isn't their first language had some moments of confusion when presented with some sets of dialogue choices. 

I might add, people playing the game with English voices and subtitles in their own language get such horrid translations that they often prefer to switch back to English with original subtitles.

I'm thinking about the "after I ravish you in celebration" line... The Italian translation brought you to think you'd have raped poor Zev in celebration -____-

So, back to English even if you don't understand it properly.

Modifié par Kismet76, 02 décembre 2010 - 07:42 .

[Johnny Chaos]

Kismet76 wrote...

jenovan wrote...

And I know people for whom English isn't their first language had some moments of confusion when presented with some sets of dialogue choices. 

I might add, people playing the game with English voices and subtitles in their own language get such horrid translations that they often prefer to switch back to English with original subtitles.

I'm thinking about the "after I ravish you in celebration" line... The Italian translation brought you to think you'd have raped poor Zev in celebration -____-

So, back to English even if you don't understand it properly.

i like the game in french translation,  Leliana's voice was alot better.

[Kismet76]

Johnny Chaos wrote...

i like the game in french translation

So maybe just the Italian translation sucks?

[Kornichon]

Kismet76 wrote...

Johnny Chaos wrote...

i like the game in french translation

So maybe just the Italian translation sucks?

in french the "ravish in celebration"  suggest the PC will deflower Zev during the celebration.... XD

[ejoslin]

GAH! need... more.... zev... Hmmmm, I am trying to do another playthrough of DAO (some additional bug fix testing -- honestly), and am playing a princess Aeducan. I'm having difficulty this time around RP'ing her and Zevran, though. I think there would be some serious dominance issues. while he may say he is in her service, I never EVER get that vibe from him

[Corker]

Really? Not even after all the jokes about chains and tying him up again? Once is incidence, twice is coincidence, thrice is a hint.

[ejoslin]

Corker wrote...

Really? Not even after all the jokes about chains and tying him up again? Once is incidence, twice is coincidence, thrice is a hint.

*grin* Yep, not that i think he minds being a bottom at all, but he strikes me as very much a switch  Or actually, more like a top who likes to switch, but still maintains control of the situation.

Modifié par ejoslin, 03 décembre 2010 - 02:55 .

[Kismet76]

ejoslin wrote...

*grin* Yep, not that i think he minds being a bottom at all, but he strikes me as very much a switch  Or actually, more like a top who likes to switch, but still maintains control of the situation.

Oh, yes. I agree on this, totally. XD

[ICevoL]

ejoslin wrote...
*grin* Yep, not that i think he minds being a bottom at all, but he strikes me as very much a switch  Or actually, more like a top who likes to switch, but still maintains control of the situation.

One of the best things about Zev is his flexibility (heh).  I actually see him as being a true switch, and that his preference for top/bottom (more accurately, dominance/submission, to take the actual "position" out of the equation) would depend on his partner.  I agree that early in a relationship before trust develops that he'd probably be more comfortable dominating (including "topping from the bottom" -- control of an encounter can come from either end), but I see him as someone who would enjoy both sides of the coin equally with the right partner.

Maybe that's just the fevered dreams of my dirty mind, though...

[ejoslin]

Yep, it's not specified in game at all other than he's open to bondage and pain, and it's not specified that that is required. Everything else is entirely up to the imagination.

But since I see him as a top who likes to switch (I'm old *grin* and that's what I call it), I'm having trouble with him and my Princess Aeducan. But I think it's part of what may challenge her and ultimately capture her.

@Kismet, yeh, that's why I love your fics

Modifié par ejoslin, 03 décembre 2010 - 04:22 .

[Corker]

My thinking is that what goes on out of the bedroom has the potential to cause a lot more friction.  One of his early gripes about the Crows is that they have "rules, ugh, so many rules!"  A Warden who constantly demands obedience without also showing respect would be a problem.

Could make a DN a pretty interesting LI, actually, although not with the options in-game; the depth isn't there.  But a DN used to unquestioning compliance from one and all might have to Learn a Life Lesson to win back a Zevran who decided that, while it had been fun for a while, it was no longer fun.

...okay, it's not that deep.  There's probably a half dozen rom-coms out there on the theme.  The trick to avoiding being a bad rom-com would be to negotiate a reasonable reconciliation that respects and maintains the DN's charisma, leadership, and alpha qualities while also softening a high-handed, arrogant manner.

[ejoslin]

Actually, Corker, this actually is the issue I'm having, though it extends both in and out of the tent (Sereda and Gorim were very clearly not equals in their interactions, which doesn't necessarily translate to anything in bed, but it does mean that Sereda is used to have a partner who obeys her unquestioningly at least outside).

I do think Sereda had a hard lesson when she was exiled, but she's still used to people asking how high when she tells them to jump. it is an interesting dynamic because Zevran is not shy about offering his opinion.

Modifié par ejoslin, 03 décembre 2010 - 04:29 .

[Corker]

The standard, overused thing would be to engineer a situation where She's Wrong, He's Right and she learns that she's not the infallible center of the universe.

Fffft that, she's the Warden.  She's always Right, and I especially don't like to see female characters punished by the plot for daring to be abrasive, nonconsensus leaders. 

But she's definitely not absolved from the consequences of her attitude; she may never lose a battle, but she could easily lose a lover.  Would that bother her enough to take a hard look at how she treats people?  That's your call.  There's a delightfully tragic flavor to a Warden whose victories are salted with bitter pride.

[ejoslin]

It's an interesting dynamic. Sereda will always been a dwarven princess. Zevran will always be an outspoken elf. so you have more of a rivalry relationship. this can be completely challenging.



I'm glad I'm not writing a fic about it!

[Tigress M]

*Waves hello to all the Zevran lovers out there!*

I'm taking the plunge and am going to try a Zev romance.  I've actually romanced him a couple of times but dumped him the first time and then romanced him again on the rebound from Alistair in another playthrough, but it was a quickie since I only had the final quest to complete by that point.  

Anywho, I'd like to have the most enjoyable experience possible for this playthrough and I figured I'd come to the experts for some advice.  

1.  Because my wardens can't ever seem to withstand Alistair, I'm going to romance him until the LM, where he's then going to be come Drunkistair, leaving Bera, my lovely elf mage, with a cold bed.  I'm planning on focusing all of my attention on the main quests up to that point, leaving me lots of gameplay with the side quests so I can spend time with Zevran and get to know Loghain a bit more.  That being said...

Exactly how much approval do I need Zev to have so he doesn't turn on me with Taliesin?  I want to keep his approval as low as possible until I start the romance, so I can see it unfold as "naturally" as possible.  

2.  Mods!  I will be installing the ZDF, but I'm wondering if there is anything else I should get to enhance the romance with him.  Any suggestions would be most welcome!

Thanks for your help! 

[wildannie]

Hi Tigress *waves back*

You should check out the Romance FAQ (see ejoslin's sig) but I think he needs to be at 'care' to not side with T.

[ejoslin]

My faq is a good place to start. Honestly, i'd suggest romancing both Alistair and Zevran, though... approval is a serious issue with Zevran if he's romanced -- you have to keep him below the jealousy thresh hold, which means not too much tent time.

Zevran has to be at 26+ to not side with Taliesen. Just giving him his plot gifts will do this. HOWEVER, be very careful in the conversation at 26+ not to shut off the romance permanently. It is really easy to do this, actually.

Zevran's romance is far better if done slowly instead of all of it post-landsmeet. I mean, it can be done, but it is not nearly the same, plus the tent time before/after talk, without dialog tweaks, is inappropriate.  Consider rushing Alistair's romance all in post landsmeet (to avoid the dumping).  same thing.  It just loses a lot of its meaning.

Another alternative is to have the jealousy threshhold be hit and choose Zevran, or dump Alistair after you learn he is going to be king as you realize you don't have a future with him (this can gain you approval with Alistair).

The nice thing about a slow romance with Zevran is you learn more about him, sooner, so you're not suddenly getting hit with a lot of information all at once. Plus, well, his romance-related discussions are really kind of weird if you're getting the early ones after he falls in love. Plus, he sounds so much happier and warmer throughout the romance as his approval raises.

Zevran's romance, I think, has him falling in love the entire time and fighting it until he just can't fight it any more. he certainly trusts a lover far sooner than a friend.

Another interesting dynamic, though, with Taliesen is if you have Zevran romanced and between 26 interested and 70 care as he may leave the fight and you can ask him about it, and about his relationship with taliesen. This actually works quite well, because you can ask him about his sexual history before he hits love. You do get the talk about his last mission later as he needs to be at adore or friendly (you'll hit adore first, but still -- it's after Taliesen which in many ways makes more sense).

Modifié par ejoslin, 03 décembre 2010 - 08:52 .

[TheComfyCat]

I'm just poppin' in to say hello

I've been playing DA again, so I've been enjoying ejoslin's newest mods! Thanks for all the fixes and kisses!

[Tigress M]

@ejoslin - Thanks for the information! I'd thought about romancing both simultaneously but if I do that Alistair will make me choose and I want him to be in love with me when he goes off on his hissy fit and leaves. Corny, I know, but IF there is a cameo for drunken Alistair in DA2 and IF the dialogs are different for friendly vs love, I want to make sure I'm set up right for it (and I don't want to have to do another drunken Alistair run again).

I'm HOPING to have enough gameplay left after the LM to give Zev's romance time to develop fairly slowly. I'll try it this way and see if it works the way I want it to... if not, I'll do a run romancing both, as you suggested and dump Alistair once we know he'll be King.

Re Mods: I have DT and I downloaded ZDF. I don't really care if I have a wearable ring, unless that mod adds something (besides the ring) that the other mods don't. Also, should I get your Kisses mod in addition to ZDF?

And thanks again for all your help!

[ejoslin]

Tigress M wrote...

@ejoslin - Thanks for the information! I'd thought about romancing both simultaneously but if I do that Alistair will make me choose and I want him to be in love with me when he goes off on his hissy fit and leaves. Corny, I know, but IF there is a cameo for drunken Alistair in DA2 and IF the dialogs are different for friendly vs love, I want to make sure I'm set up right for it (and I don't want to have to do another drunken Alistair run again).
I'm HOPING to have enough gameplay left after the LM to give Zev's romance time to develop fairly slowly. I'll try it this way and see if it works the way I want it to... if not, I'll do a run romancing both, as you suggested and dump Alistair once we know he'll be King.
Re Mods: I have DT and I downloaded ZDF. I don't really care if I have a wearable ring, unless that mod adds something (besides the ring) that the other mods don't. Also, should I get your Kisses mod in addition to ZDF?
And thanks again for all your help!

Just keep Zevran below 70 while romanced -- and after you and Alistair break up, have a lot of tent time with Zevran (+1 approval each time, at least for awhile, and you want to do that to open up dialogs after he falls in love anyway) ).  That way you get his early romance conversations early, you may get to question him about Taliesen, and, well, you get the dumping you want I suppose!

I like my kisses mod, tbh.  It just adds a few more kisses that trigger randomly.  It has the same bug fixes as the zevran_main.dlg in ZDF, however.

@Senorfuzzylips Thank you and *hugs* good to see you on here!

Edit: If you uses my Zevran Kisses mod along wtih dialog tweaks, i strongly suggest you use ZevRing as well as i don't have a Dt/non-zevring version of it out.  The only thing that really affects is you won't get the plot gift OR the wearable earring.  If you're not using Zevran Kisses, it doesn't matter.

Modifié par ejoslin, 03 décembre 2010 - 11:12 .

[wildannie]

ejoslin wrote...

Tigress M wrote...

@ejoslin - Thanks for the information! I'd thought about romancing both simultaneously but if I do that Alistair will make me choose and I want him to be in love with me when he goes off on his hissy fit and leaves. Corny, I know, but IF there is a cameo for drunken Alistair in DA2 and IF the dialogs are different for friendly vs love, I want to make sure I'm set up right for it (and I don't want to have to do another drunken Alistair run again).
I'm HOPING to have enough gameplay left after the LM to give Zev's romance time to develop fairly slowly. I'll try it this way and see if it works the way I want it to... if not, I'll do a run romancing both, as you suggested and dump Alistair once we know he'll be King.
Re Mods: I have DT and I downloaded ZDF. I don't really care if I have a wearable ring, unless that mod adds something (besides the ring) that the other mods don't. Also, should I get your Kisses mod in addition to ZDF?
And thanks again for all your help!

Just keep Zevran below 70 while romanced -- and after you and Alistair break up, have a lot of tent time with Zevran (+1 approval each time, at least for awhile, and you want to do that to open up dialogs after he falls in love anyway) ).  That way you get his early romance conversations early, you may get to question him about Taliesen, and, well, you get the dumping you want I suppose!

I like my kisses mod, tbh.  It just adds a few more kisses that trigger randomly.  It has the same bug fixes as the zevran_main.dlg in ZDF, however.

@Senorfuzzylips Thank you and *hugs* good to see you on here!

Edit: If you uses my Zevran Kisses mod along wtih dialog tweaks, i strongly suggest you use ZevRing as well as i don't have a Dt/non-zevring version of it out.  The only thing that really affects is you won't get the plot gift OR the wearable earring.  If you're not using Zevran Kisses, it doesn't matter.

Your Kisses mod is excellent and I would highly recommend it, and your ZDF is ESSENTIAL imo.  Charsen's Zevring is also essential for taking a Zevmancer into Awakenings (imo).

[Tigress M]

I picked up both the kisses mod and the ring since I saw that the kisses mod required it. Looking forward to this playthrough! Thank you all for your help.