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[ejoslin]

mousestalker wrote...

Question for the forumites: In your canon run, where do you see Zevran in five years after Origins? Where is he after ten years? How does he spend the rest of his life? Does he stay with your Warden, if you were involved?

Hmmmm, I do see Zevran and my warden staying together until her calling; I also see him giving her a slow acting poison and following her to make sure she actually dies -- possibly dying himself.

Before Awakening came out, I saw a few different ways. My HNF ended up married to Alistair but also teyrna of Gwaren, with Zevran as her paramour and their children raised in Gwaren, and yes, eventually an Arainai would be on the throne. Everyone else stayed with the gray wardens, and he did as well -- staying with them ensured (before awakening) that the crows would stay away, and they recruited and trained everyone together.

After Awakening blew both those endings out of the water, I still see them together. I think they ended up killing enough of the high ranking crows to get rid of the contracts on them both. I think whether they continue to adventure or find a place to settle down depends on whether i see them as having children (admittedly, I only see having children with elves in this circumstance). Even my queen couslands disappear after awhile -- I figure it's because they went off to be with Zevran.

Edit: Zevran's attitude, even before he falls in love, is very much, "I'll be by your side and the rest of the world be damned."  After he falls in love, I just don't see that changing.  Even though he's in danger, and possibly is endangering the warden by staying with them, i think he knows that the warden understands the dangers as well and is entering into that situation eyes wide open.  there's no need to protect the warden -- but fighting together for his freedom is something I can see both of them wanting.

If I were to pick one run -- hmmmm, that's tough.  I've played through so many times, and love them all.  

Edit: Morphed Zevran with the future queen.

Modifié par ejoslin, 12 décembre 2010 - 03:16 .

[Corker]

mousestalker wrote...

Question for the forumites: In your canon run, where do you see Zevran in five years after Origins? Where is he after ten years? How does he spend the rest of his life? Does he stay with your Warden, if you were involved?

Despite my best efforts, I still can't pick just one canon run.  If you put a gun to my head, I'd probably pick Lorelai (my avatar).  She US'ed, so it's Guildmaster Zevran Arainai in that one, to the bitter and depressing end.  He probably ends up a boss villain that some group of unlikely Antivan heroes has to take down.

Irini Cousland is my "import into all the DLCs since Bioware fubar's up a US import."  (The whole "Do Awakening as an Orlesian and lose your world-changing sacrifice" bit, you know?)  She's a very vanilla Lawful Good Cousland who got dumped at the Landsmeet and then had Alistair get et by the AD.  Zevran volunteered to teach GW recruits for her, and I believe he'd stick with that for five years, easy.  But ten?  Nah, he'd get itchy.  I think he'd have friends at the Vigil, though, and would stick around Ferelden, complaining about the weather the entire time.  He might become a fixture at Anora's court in Denerim - an infamous fixture - and go out to get in trouble in the city from time to time.  He probably has an ongoing spy vs spy rivalry with Erlina.

Vashti Mahariel let him go after Taliesen, and he ended up aboard the Siren's Call for a few years.  I can imagine him remaining there indefinitely, too - he is loyal, and the seagoing life would provide lots of excitement.  But if Isabella ends up becoming a landlubber in Kirkwall... surely, there are opportunities in Lowtown for a clever and bold fellow.  Smuggling, perhaps?  

(Adriana Cousland is farther down my <3 scale than these three, but they remain Bonnie and Clyde indefinitely, with him being the lead hitman in her smuggling operation.)

[Corker]

Another day, another quest line:

ZevDLC Phase One Mainline

Tracking down the missing Warden Vhena leads the Warden to an Antivan brothel, an encounter with another Crow Master, and a mission to a Crow training center.

[mousestalker]

I know where I want Aithne and Zevran to go, but every time I play the game, plans get changed. Ideally, she'll be Warden Commander and he will stay by her side until she has her Calling. I love the idea of him sneaking her a slow poison. That's brilliant!

[ejoslin]

mousestalker wrote...

I know where I want Aithne and Zevran to go, but every time I play the game, plans get changed. Ideally, she'll be Warden Commander and he will stay by her side until she has her Calling. I love the idea of him sneaking her a slow poison. That's brilliant!

I loved that ending as well, and is the main reason why I hate Awakening's ending.

I think they ended up having all wardens disappear because they're planning on including wardens in a future installment of the game but don't want the hassle of having THE warden still around.

[Ramante]

Just finished Awakening with my 'married to Alistair, Zevran on the side'-Warden and I hate the epilogue. No mention whatsoever about Zevran, apparently he is not important.. the only thing I got was that Alistair was grinning when my Warden returned to the palace. -.-

Next Awakening playthrough is going to be my mage, she was in a relationship with Zevran so I hope that epilogue makes me happier (I doubt it)..

[ejoslin]

Ramante, your warden does disappear at the end without Alistair. so... yeh. I hated all the awakening zevran endings :/

[Ramante]

ejoslin wrote...

Ramante, your warden does disappear at the end without Alistair. so... yeh. I hated all the awakening zevran endings :/

I know she disappears, but I would have liked a mentioning of Zevran.
On the other hand I was happily surprised that the Alistair convo in the beginning of Awakening was different from my 'in love with Alistair'-Warden, so that was a good thing.

Lets just say that I miss Zev a lot in Awakening. ^^'

[the_baroness]

Well, I picked a really appropriate day to make this request, considering the topic of discussion.

A little background: Saxony_Porcelain has graciously given me permission to edit her More Detailed Romances mod, which adds additional text to the endgame epilogue slides.  Anyway, I'm good at the technical stuff, but I am realizing that the mod would probably benefit from having people onboard who can write well, be creative and think of different ending scenarios for Zev, both for the male and female romances.

As far as this relates to Zevran, a lot of the original modded slides with Zevran weren't that detailed, as the mod was specifically geared towards Alistair's endings.  I was wondering if anyone wanted to help give input, do some writing and idea brainstorming to add some awesome and satifsying romance ending epi slides for Zev.

Sorry, if this is spam.  Let me know and I'll bah-lete this post.  I just needed some talented writers/thinkers who luurve Zevran, and I didn't know where else to ask.    To not clutter the thread, you can always PM me if you're interested!

[Tellervo]

mousestalker wrote...

Question for the forumites: In your canon run, where do you see Zevran in five years after Origins? Where is he after ten years? How does he spend the rest of his life? Does he stay with your Warden, if you were involved?

That would be a fanfic spoiler. 

[ejoslin]

the_baroness wrote...

Well, I picked a really appropriate day to make this request, considering the topic of discussion.

A little background: Saxony_Porcelain has graciously given me permission to edit her More Detailed Romances mod, which adds additional text to the endgame epilogue slides.  Anyway, I'm good at the technical stuff, but I am realizing that the mod would probably benefit from having people onboard who can write well, be creative and think of different ending scenarios for Zev, both for the male and female romances.

As far as this relates to Zevran, a lot of the original modded slides with Zevran weren't that detailed, as the mod was specifically geared towards Alistair's endings.  I was wondering if anyone wanted to help give input, do some writing and idea brainstorming to add some awesome and satifsying romance ending epi slides for Zev.

Sorry, if this is spam.  Let me know and I'll bah-lete this post.  I just needed some talented writers/thinkers who luurve Zevran, and I didn't know where else to ask.    To not clutter the thread, you can always PM me if you're interested!

just a FYI, I've released a new version of the slideshow as an optional update to ZDF which restores quite a few slides, but still is very much in beta and may be changed more.  Changes that i've made are (in addition to the current version):

-Zevran's in love slide, if leaving Denerim, should now trigger properly for male wardens.
-Alistair's in love slide, if staying in Denerim, should only reference Queen Anora if Anora is actually queen.
-Morrigan's in love slide should now trigger if Morrigan is either in love or still in love (rather than just still in love -- this is the fix Terra_Ex implemented in MRP).
-If the werewolves are cured and allowed to go, their proper slide should trigger.
-If a city elf asks for the Alienage boon, the proper slides should trigger if Shianni is made Bann and if no one specificed is made Bann. The proper slides do not trigger if the warden is Bann, at least not if Alistair is king (I was unable to test the slides with Anora as queen). I cannot fix it for if the warden is Bann and Alistair is king as the file I would need to change is inaccessible in the toolset. *these restored slides are very dark*
-the Dalish boon no longer triggers for everyone under a certain circumstance.
-The proper slides for the fate of the Sacred Ashes now triggers if Brother Genetivi is alive.

I'm sure in your mod you've already addressed a few of these bugs, but my guess is not all of them.  If you'd like, I can send you a b2b which has the changes plus the necessary .ncs/.plo files (written by me and DLAN_Immortality).

But some of those slides are incredibly dark.

And if you're not interested, I'm completely not offended!

[the_baroness]

ejoslin wrote...
just a FYI, I've released a new version of the slideshow as an optional update to ZDF which restores quite a few slides, but still is very much in beta and may be changed more.  Changes that i've made are (in addition to the current version)!  <snip>!

Oh, goodness, I'd be terribly grateful, if it's not too much work!  Thanks!  I've fixed a few of few of those issues, but -- like you said -- not all of them.  Would credit you and DLAN all over the place, of course. 

Also, just let me know if I'm infringing on anything you wanted to do with Zev's epilogue slides; will totally back off.  I can hand over Saxony's B2B, if you want, so you can see how she made all the custom changes.

[ejoslin]

the_baroness wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
just a FYI, I've released a new version of the slideshow as an optional update to ZDF which restores quite a few slides, but still is very much in beta and may be changed more.  Changes that i've made are (in addition to the current version)!  !

Oh, goodness, I'd be terribly grateful, if it's not too much work!  Thanks!  I've fixed a few of few of those issues, but -- like you said -- not all of them.  Would credit you and DLAN all over the place, of course. 

Also, just let me know if I'm infringing on anything you wanted to do with Zev's epilogue slides; will totally back off.  I can hand over Saxony's B2B, if you want, so you can see how she made all the custom changes.

Ah, no thank you!  I do appreciate it, ZDF is a bug fix mod.  I tried to avoid lore changes completely, though I will admit I put a couple in as the standard stuff was actually lore breaking. 

I asked for some help restoring the PC as Bann slide (it may work if Anora is queen, but it definitely does not work if Alistair is king).  the problem is, the file that needs to be fixed is not accessible (it's corrupted in both the toolset and in the builder core resource file).  If the person I asked is able to fix it, I will let you know!

The b2b itself is here, and it should include the scripts.
screenshots of the fixes are here.  You'll see in there the one flag that was made.

My only request, as always, is if you use the b2b, send a link back to ZDF in your readme  I have no suggestions on wording -- I'm terrible at that kind of thing.  But this sounds like a very fun mod

Modifié par ejoslin, 12 décembre 2010 - 10:10 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Tellervo wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

Question for the forumites: In your canon run, where do you see Zevran in five years after Origins? Where is he after ten years? How does he spend the rest of his life? Does he stay with your Warden, if you were involved?

That would be a fanfic spoiler. 

Ditto that.

[EccentricSage]

mousestalker wrote...

Question for the forumites: In your canon run, where do you see Zevran in five years after Origins? Where is he after ten years? How does he spend the rest of his life? Does he stay with your Warden, if you were involved?

I can't really pick a cannon run... So here is my first Warden.

With Dristin I see the two of them going back and forth between his Dalish Clan, Alistair's court, and the Ferelden Grey Wardens.  I kind of see them spending a lot of time with Alistair at first.  Dristen wants to act as embasador of his people, after all, and wants to start slowly and quietly re-educating his flat-eared cousins and getting Alistair to make liitle improvements to their situation.  I see Zevran's cunning, pragmatism, and wisdom playing a HUGE role behind the scenes.  After all, Alistair had not wanted to be king, and was never groomed to be king, and for Dristen, the world outside his clan is still fairly new to him, and he does not always understand the prejudices and politics of the City Folks and their Chantry.  Zevran is a perfect advisor, unprejudiced against humans, but knowing intimately the plight of the elves, and having great experience with social strugles and politicle rangling.  I don't like Eamon, but I think Eamon would at least be useful in tutoring them on the formalities of Ferelden politics, as well as some of the hidden agendas Ferelden nobility might have.  Their presence would also help comfort Alistair.  Dristen feals a bit guilty about puting him in this situation he hadn't wanted to be in, but is sure they can make the best of it.

Eventually they would need to be more hands-on with the Ferelden Grey Wardens.  I'm torn on weather or not I'm going to get Awakenings.  If I do, I see Dristen chasing after Zevran as soon as he can.  I'm not sure I can stand it though.  I see Dristen and Zevran having the sort of relationship where they are pretty much inseperable.  They just fit together THAT perfectly.  Dristen would definetly not support taking over the Crows... He has too much work to do in Ferelden to try to fix a culture he is unfamilar with, but I'm sure it will break his heart, that he would feel selfish.  It's as if he'd be saying the plight of his homeland is more important than Zevran's, and that the people there aren't worth the cost of saving.  I think coming to terms with the logistics of the situation will be easier for Zevran than Dristen... Dristen can be vicious when need be, but is a soft-hearted idealist being forced by circumstance to learn to be pragmatic.  Zevran really is his perfect counter balance.  They would find a way to get the Crows to back off, help what few they can, and head back to Ferelden.

I see the welfare of Elves improving in Ferelden, but they probably would still not be on equal standing with humans by the end of Alistair's reign.  I think they'll become better educated and more integrated than they once were, with an end goal of Elves acheiving land ownership outside the alienages.  I think they might only get land ownership inside the alienages, as well as some expansion and improvement of the alienages, though... as too much progress too fast will frighten the racists.  If progress is slow enough, and the humans are kept happy enough with their own lot, progress can be made with minimal bloodshead.  Violent crimes against Elves will certainly be taken more seriously under King Alistair, of course, and tolerance towards the Dalish will be increased. 

In the end, I imagine Dristen and Zevran choosing to die together.  I imagine Dristen saying '**** Grey Warden Tradition' and opting for a tragic romantic end by poisoning.  I think Zevran will have more than earned his unique and unprecidented place in history.  I think they would share a tomb, and Zevran would have a statue as well.

[Sresla]

the_baroness wrote...

As far as this relates to Zevran, a lot of the original modded slides with Zevran weren't that detailed, as the mod was specifically geared towards Alistair's endings.  I was wondering if anyone wanted to help give input, do some writing and idea brainstorming to add some awesome and satifsying romance ending epi slides for Zev.

So it doesn't seem like we're totally ignoring you although I'm only speaking for myself when I say this, I applaud your desire to do this, but I (like ejoslin) am wary of adding a mod like the one you're discussing because of the lore aspect. This isn't to say I find the epilogue slides with Zevran satisfying (I don't, particularly) but neither do I feel like it's my place to alter them.

I've come to terms with my dislike of 'for a time' by just deciding that my Warden and Zevran did X for a while and then they left to do Y (although yes, my first gut reaction was: FOR A TIME WUT HAPPENED TO GATES OF BLACK CITY GRR) but a year's worth of replaying a game can give you a good amount of perspective and ability to interpret how you want. As far as Awakenings goes, I'm still on the fence about deciding if it even happens in my canon playthrough (the idea of Zevran running off to Antiva alone is almost ludicrious, given his relationship with my Warden) - currently leaning towards not, though.

If I ever did use the mod, I'd probably only use it to tamper with the slide myself so it specifically fit my story so I could take a screenshot or something. Maybe that's the reason the Zevran slides didn't get messed around with too much - all of the Zevran romancers have different visions of their "Happily ever afters".

[Minaleth]

mousestalker wrote...

Question for the forumites: In your canon run, where do you see Zevran in five years after Origins? Where is he after ten years? How does he spend the rest of his life? Does he stay with your Warden, if you were involved?

After DA:O - She married Alistair to Anora and left with Zevran to Antiva. picture here
After DA:A - She married Alistair to Anora, did some business in Amaranthine, then left for Antiva where she met with Zevran. They probably stayed in Antiva and possibly toyed with Crows somehow, but detail are unknown

[Corker]

This is the last of my DLC modules:

Other folks were handling the aftermath of the cutscene:&nbsp;the Warden would wake up in a Crow safehouse with Ewald.&nbsp; Master Zevran Arainai was out at the moment, but left a letter for the Warden.&nbsp; (This was a controversial decision - the DLC team had elected to make the product mostly Zevran-free until the very end, rather than go unvoiced or use spliced dialogue. &nbsp;So the conceit was that Zev was up to his neck in life-or-death problem solving, and was depending on the Warden to work independently to back him up.)

Hakon, an old dwarven poisoner working for House Arainai, confirms that the Warden and Ewald have been hit with a slow-acting poison.&nbsp; Their stats penalized and they will theoretically die if a cure is not found soon.&nbsp; To separate out the poison from their blood to analyze it (or cure it, or something... I forget the exact rationale), Hakon needs some lyrium nuggets.&nbsp; If the Warden didn't do the Blackmail quest from the Courtesan's, Hakon will be the one to suggest that the Knight&nbsp;Commander probably has a few lying around.

Nuggets Needed is the resulting quest.&nbsp; There's portions still in development that obviously never got finished.

After that... the details are a little fuzzy in my memory.  There was to be another encounter with Evaristo Celestino where the Warden could agree to torture a captive member of House Avahl and get a shortcut to Vhena, or forbid it and fight Celestino, resulting in a longer, more dangerous route to get to Vhena.  The kidnapped Warden was in a bad way, having been tortured into revealing Warden secrets to Vox Avahl and then used as a test subject for the poison.  There would be more choice points around her fate, and the eventual dispersion of the antidote - Hakon can only make two doses for three Wardens.

I believe after that, Zevran would finally show up and together, they'd take out Vox Avahl.  A post-boss-fight meeting with the Guildmaster would firm up post-DLC intentions and inform any epilogue slides.

[Kornichon]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Tellervo wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

Question for the forumites: In your canon run, where do you see Zevran in five years after Origins? Where is he after ten years? How does he spend the rest of his life? Does he stay with your Warden, if you were involved?

That would be a fanfic spoiler. 

Ditto that.

same here  :3


but hey, look at how much little Zev is cute!!!  <3<3<3
fun to see a happy childhood time for him ^^

(by chronicdoodler)

[the_baroness]

Sresla wrote...
So it doesn't seem like we're totally ignoring you although I'm only speaking for myself when I say this...

Thanks.  I appreciate your perspective, and I apologize if I bothered or offended anyone with my post.

And, yeah, I agree -- the Awakenings ending were totally unsatisfying.  Zevran goes off and leaves, alone, after spending most of Origins telling you that he'd never leave you, ever?  And then I think you have to go off and chase him?  <_<  It seems so out-of-character.  And I was with you in the reaction about the 'for a time' thing.  I'm a little less sophisticated than you, though -- I need my closure spelled out clearly!  ;P

And I already PM'd you, ejoslin, but thanks again!

[Creature 1]

mousestalker wrote...

Question for the forumites: In your canon run, where do you see Zevran in five years after Origins? Where is he after ten years? How does he spend the rest of his life? Does he stay with your Warden, if you were involved?

I don't know.  I don't see Blair leaving him but I could maybe see him getting fed up with Blair, who's kind of an idiot.  I think things would be very difficult for them.  They don't really have a home anywhere.  I have it in mind that they take up smuggling after the whole mess in Antiva is done, because they like money and like the wilderness in small doses, and being involved in crime might make things easier because they'd often be dealing with people who are more concerned about what product they're moving than what race they are or if they have the right religious convictions.  But in the end they're elves, Zevran's a Crow, and Blair's a blood mage, and those pose huge obstacles to tranquility (of the non-Circle sense ).  So I don't know what's canon.  Blair could end up dying young (though I'm not sure then what Zevran does).  Zevran could end up dying young.  Zevran could dump Blair.  They could stick together until the Calling (though I think Blair would think suicide by darkspawn a fool's game).  Blair could figure out some way to evade the Taint through blood magic and they could stay together for decades.  I'd like to think they retire to some peaceful and open-minded village in Antiva and raise a few abandoned elf kids before dying of old age, or near enough, but who knows. 

Unfortunately I'm afraid it's more likely that Blair dies young or gets involved with blood magic that Zevran can't tolerate.  But I'm feeling down today. 

[Sialater]

mousestalker wrote...

Question for the forumites: In your canon run, where do you see Zevran in five years after Origins? Where is he after ten years? How does he spend the rest of his life? Does he stay with your Warden, if you were involved?

Can't tell you.  It would spoil The Rescue and its eventual sequel.

[ArawnNox]

mousestalker wrote...

Question for the forumites: In your canon run, where do you see Zevran in five years after Origins? Where is he after ten years? How does he spend the rest of his life? Does he stay with your Warden, if you were involved?

Hmm... I don't have a canon run, per ser, but lemme think about my completed games, thus far.

Slivia Cousland: Rules with Alistair, so I don't know what would become of her friendship with Zev. Really, she didn't talk to him much through the game anyway, as he had nothing to talk about after she shot him down for a romance. (also my first game, so it was all sloppy.)

Alim Surana: Did romance Zev (but didn't get the really good romance dialogue). I forget what his post-Origins plans were going to be. I think travel was amongst that list. Alim was quite taken with Zev so I could see them having plenty of adventures through Thedas. Sounds like fanfic fodder... *ponders*

[Aroihkin]

That would be telling.

I've known how Alley dies since before I started IO, though. Not sure yet how Tannu will eventually go out. I'm pretty confident Zevran will be involved with both till the end, though the flavor of romance is completely different in the two stories.

Modifié par Aroihkin, 14 décembre 2010 - 11:11 .

[MorGothic]

Aroihkin wrote...

That would be telling.

I've known how Alley dies since before I started IO, though.

I'm guessing...horribly? (My real guess is US, although I do need (re)read the fic up to the latest chapter).

Anyways...

I thought I'd drop in and let those who care (no-one) know that I'm still alive.