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[Corker]

Tellervo wrote...

 I'm willing to give up winning stuff, but we need some sort of control in place for irresponsibility in prompt-giving.

Well, we already depend upon one person to update the Worth of The Thread on page one (jenovan, and many thanks!).  It's not too much of a stretch to contemplate another single person who keeps the List of Prompters and sends out little reminders (It's Friday! Current prompt, "Grease Trap," closes Monday.  Has anyone seen ICevoL? He's next... Tell, you're next up if we don't see a prompt by ICevoL by noon or so.)

As for prizes... ain't nothing says that -

1. Generous souls can't write/draw tokens of appreciation for stuff they like.
2. There can't *also* be sponsored contests in addition to the weekly prompts.

Although... now how do I say this without sounding petty? It also might be... more realistic? if the 'prizes' are just bragging rights. 

Edit: For ToP and probably having put my foot in it somehow:

Modifié par Corker, 30 décembre 2010 - 06:13 .

[Minaleth]

I am okay with either. I can't participate every time, and has issues with the 1hr challenge, but otherwise it has been fun

[EccentricSage]

Personally, I'd love to see longer time limits... I like the fact that time limits encourage people who don't have a lot of time, because they'll feel on equal footing... but it's been the main reason I never enter... I can't do anything to my liking within one hour. It's good for me to have a deadline, but one hour just puts a damper on the quality of work I can do, at which point I throw up my hands in frustration and say 'screw it'.



(I swear I will be back after the holidays... The holidays stress me, and then I don't want to be social and just drop the internet stuff to focus on real life.)

[Kismet76]

I like the opportunity of winning a prize, but I also have some problems with the time limit, since I'm not an English native speaker.



So, both are fine with me!

[Corker]

@Kismet, I think it was previously agreed that translation times did not count. We had a few non-native speakers who composed in their own tongues within an hour, and then translated at leisure.



Of course, if you're writing directly in English... hm, yeah, that's not as easy to figure.

[Hilde]

Weekly Prompt! Yay!

I am good with either way as well. It seems the time limit is the biggest issue; maybe increase time limit a smidge with the original format? idk.

Modifié par Hilde, 30 décembre 2010 - 07:48 .

[Kismet76]

Corker wrote...
Of course, if you're writing directly in English... hm, yeah, that's not as easy to figure.

Heh. I write directly in English, for a number of reasons.
When I want to write some fic in English, I try to think it in English, so that what I write sounds more genuine.
Besides, to me it's a lot easier to write something in English instead of trying to fit it in a translation. Italian and English don't love each other very much and have very different structures, and what's good in Italian simply sounds like s**t when I translate it in English. XD

Anyway, I managed to write a ficlet in about 30 minutes, once. I think I could manage again.

Modifié par Kismet76, 30 décembre 2010 - 08:39 .

[mousestalker]

I'm content however the rest of y'all decide. I'm too much of a slacker to be a regular contributor though reading the entries is enormous fun!

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Hmmm...I honestly don't mind the old model for prompts since I thought an hour was a nice challenge, but I wouldn't want the time limit to stop people from entering.



However, I *did* enjoy that one of the prizes for winning was getting to choose/run the next prompt. I know the running roster would give everyone a go, but call me a fan of a little competition, I guess (and anti-fan of rotating rosters :/ ). If there isn't going to be a written/drawn/whatever reward for winning (which is fine IMO) then at least keep the new prompt rights 'reward'. At least that way there's less chance of people vanishing and needing to be poked, and no one will have to feel awkward about withdrawing from a roster.



So I suppose I'd propose we keep the old model, with these changes:



Time Limit Increase

Prompter does not *have* to provide a prize, but can if they want

Winner of the prompt chooses/judges next prompt

[Sarah1281]

The old model was just so depressing. People could only enter a handful of times and yet win while I had to go five entire months. I had fun doing prompts for the Anders, Nathaniel, and Alistair thread. Doing prompts for this thread just kept hitting me over the head with how I was apparently the worst person submitting prompts every single week. If we do stick to the old competition model I'm not sure if I can bring myself to take part again. Prompts are supposed to be fun, not soul-crushing.

[Hilde]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

So I suppose I'd propose we keep the old model, with these changes:

Time Limit Increase
Prompter does not *have* to provide a prize, but can if they want
Winner of the prompt chooses/judges next prompt

This sounds fantastic!

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

@Sarah: The difference between models where the prompter does/doesn't select their favourite of the bunch, I guess. *sigh*

Ok, so what if, instead of the 'next prompt' going to whichever entry the judge liked best, they just get to choose from those who actually entered that week (favouring those who hadn't had a turn yet. Entrants can note in their entry how many times they'd chosen a prompt for ease of reference).

No roster, no competition, everyone gets a shot (and I do *want* everyone to have a shot. It's fun).

Is the judge still allowed to say which entry they enjoyed most, or would that continue to make the prompts depressing?

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 31 décembre 2010 - 01:40 .

[Sarah1281]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean about choosing who gets to go next based on who entered but not on who the judge liked best. Like if only two people entered and X had given four prompts while Y had given one then the prompt-giver might pick Y even though they liked X's better?



It wouldn't bother me if people just said which one they liked best.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I'm not sure I understand what you mean about choosing who gets to go next based on who entered but not on who the judge liked best. Like if only two people entered and X had given four prompts while Y had given one then the prompt-giver might pick Y even though they liked X's better?

Yes.

It wouldn't bother me if people just said which one they liked best.

Ok.

Well, I've given my ideas for a workaround, anyway, so we'll see what others think.

[Corker]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I'm not sure I understand what you mean about choosing who gets to go next based on who entered but not on who the judge liked best. Like if only two people entered and X had given four prompts while Y had given one then the prompt-giver might pick Y even though they liked X's better?

 

I think you understand exactly.  I'd just strengthen it and say that Y *should be* picked.

It would not be hard - while rounding up the snippets for the week's end post, Prompter just also cuts-pastes the prompt counts:

Abby (4)
Beatrice (3)
Catherine (2)
Derek (2)

In this case, it's obviously either Catherine or Derek's turn to be the next prompter, regardless of who wins.  Prompter picks one (say, Derek) and next week, assuming they all enter again, Cathy will be the only one with only 2 prompts and it'll be her turn to pick.

I like this idea.  One can reasonably assume that anyone who entered will be sticking around long enough to give the next prompt, removing the need for a roster.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Yep, what Corker said.

[Remmirath]

I'm also not in favour of the roster model, for the same reasons as some others - I'm not really very reliable, and I'd feel bad about it if I just happened to disappear that one week. Also, I guess I just like competition.

I liked the old model. An hour is a nice challenge, I think, although maybe a bit more time would be good for artists (I know I can do something in an hour, but I tend to do sketchy things, and people who are better than me usually take longer). I don't have as good a grasp on how long writing usually takes.

I also like the winning system, even though I never won. Maybe that's odd of me? Eh, it's true either way. However, I'm also not really picky about it, and I'll probably think it's fun no matter what system gets settled on. Anything to encourage me to actually try and draw something I don't usually draw (or especially try and write) now and again is good in my book.

So there's my mostly-useless two cents on the matter. 

[maradeux]

Kismet76 wrote...

Corker wrote...
Of course, if you're writing directly in English... hm, yeah, that's not as easy to figure.

Heh. I write directly in English, for a number of reasons.
When I want to write some fic in English, I try to think it in English, so that what I write sounds more genuine.
Besides, to me it's a lot easier to write something in English instead of trying to fit it in a translation.

I agree. It's really much easier to write directly in English. I saw this when I wrote my two English poems. Unfortunately most time my English is not good enough - so I have the translation problems...

@system-discussion: I liked the old system with the competition feeling and the time limit. The competition was good, because the prompter "had to" deal with every entry and I really liked the summaries. But when I was the prompter myself, I saw how hard it was to tell which entry I would like "best" of all. So it would have been easier (for me at least), if the prompter would write the summary and just tell who will have the next prompt - so I like this idea of Shadow.

Kismet76 wrote...Italian and English don't love each other very much and have very different structures, and what's good in Italian simply sounds like s**t when I translate it in English. XD

My mother tongue is German, but I can only nod - I have exacty the same problems.

Modifié par maradeux, 31 décembre 2010 - 09:12 .

[SurrealSadi]

ejoslin wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

Oh, I have been remiss in reading this thread... Shadow, that little snippet was ADORABLE!!! I expect Zevran to act just like that in the colder climes...


So I finally got Awakenings....Not thrilled with no Zev(Who the hell picked Oghren as the 'returning beloved character'?!)...but my Dalish found a wonderful little letter in her journal of goodies and actually SQUEE'D. Though the banter between Sigrun and Anders makes me giggle...Sigrun in general makes me giggle. She totally does not strike me as Legion of the Dead material.

And I know this is Zev thread, but I was sadly disappointed that the "good bye for now" kiss from Alistair to his wife was so...platonic. A kiss to the cheek? Really? Is it that bad for Anora's hubby too?

A kiss to the cheek was proper -- my queen Cousland (who also got her sweet letter from Zev) was put out by even that

I'm actually convinced there is too much choice in the game because of scenes like that.  Alistair may hate his wife, have no feelings whatsoever, like her, love her, consider her his best buddy. . .  It's hard to account for all the ways that relationship can be.

'Proper'... You have a point. My brain obviously didn't look at all the reasons why just a simple kiss on the cheek works... My (second) Queen Cousland was played as a love-match, but the first time I played a F!Cousland it was totally political and she was sweet on Zev.

Ah well. I just wish there was more mention of the Warden's companions than a letter or a brief run-in in Amaranthine, or something. I'm still a bit miffed that it was OGHREN of all people brought back.  I didn't really like him in the main game... He's not much better in the expansion. Granted, his conversation asking for the pony was funnier than hell the first time I got it. But beyond that...he's meh.

[Sarah1281]

maradeux wrote...

The competition was good, because the prompter "had to" deal with every entry and I really liked the summaries.

What do you mean by 'had to' deal with every entry?

[maradeux]

I'm afraid that's a language problem again, because I don't really know how to explain it. What I mean is that these summaries are really great. It is - of course - a pleasure, but also "work" for the prompter to write them. If there is no competition, I am afraid that some entries might stay without any reaction in the thread. Hm... Can anybody understand what I mean?

[ICevoL]

I just finished reading all the comments about the weekly prompt and the potential changes. To summarize, it sounds like no one objects to the length of time for each prompt’s official entries (one week) and that most folks don’t like the roster idea in case people are not available when it’s their turn. Please correct me if I’ve misunderstood the consensus so far.
 
Based on that, it looks like there are two potential models for the next prompt:
 

Competition Based
 
Time limit: 2 hours (or longer?) [ Fan artists, please chime in if this is still too short ]
 
Prompter does not have to provide a prize, but can if they want

Winner of the prompt chooses/judges next prompt
 
 
Non-Competition based
 
No time limit (no sense in having one if there’s no competition)
 
Next prompt selected by one of the participants who has selected the fewest prompts so far (as detailed by Corker)
 
 
I’m fine with either of these, or another one, if I’ve missed something.

[ICevoL]

maradeux wrote...

I'm afraid that's a language problem again, because I don't really know how to explain it. What I mean is that these summaries are really great. It is - of course - a pleasure, but also "work" for the prompter to write them. If there is no competition, I am afraid that some entries might stay without any reaction in the thread. Hm... Can anybody understand what I mean?

I believe that I understand what you mean.  Your concern is that if there is no competition that the prompt selector will not provide feedback comments on all the entries, correct?

I can't speak for anyone else, but whether it's a competition or not wouldn't matter for me.  If I read a story or view a piece of art, I provide feedback for it.  We can still do the summaries, even without a competition aspect to the prompts.
 

[Corker]

ICevoL wrote...
 

Competition Based
 
Time limit: 2 hours (or longer?) [ Fan artists, please chime in if this is still too short ]
 
Prompter does not have to provide a prize, but can if they want

Winner of the prompt chooses/judges next prompt
 
 
Non-Competition based
 
No time limit (no sense in having one if there’s no competition)
 
Next prompt selected by one of the participants who has selected the fewest prompts so far (as detailed by Corker)
 
 

Competition with Equal Turns

Time limit: 2 hours (or longer?) [ Fan artists, please chime in if this is still too short ]
 
Prompter does not have to provide a prize, but can if they want

Next prompt selected by one of the participants who has selected the fewest prompts so far

[Sialater]

I'm completely confused. But... my writing schedule is such that I'll participate when I feel inspired, no matter the prompt or the structure of our "contest." Just tell me the rules and I'll deal.