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Sresla wrote...

And by the looks of things, Witch Hunt will be following in the footsteps of everything post-Awakenings (meaning no Warden adventures with original companions).


:( So, I'm not interested.

Sresla wrote...

On the other hand, Origins is over and that means no more Zevran-y goodness until DA3 (where our Wardens are back with Zevran at our side and we kick the everloving crap out of Hawke - hey, I can dream right?)


Nice dream. But I can't believe it...


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While I'd certainly love to see more of Zevran, I think
the Morrigan fans need a conclusion more than we do.


This might be right. But I don't know, if I need it... :?

edit - page top. may be the smiling Zev can enhance my mood?

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Modifié par maradeux, 25 août 2010 - 08:00 .


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Second post, because of a completely different topic: As a sequel to "The Smell of Death" and "The Basement" I have written another episode from Zevrans youth: Sweet Poison
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Although I am sad that it looks unlikely that Zevran will be part of any official DLC, I have high hopes that the modding community can provide us with many more ridiculously awesome adventures with him. Of course, lack of official DLC means that my FF won't be anymore AU than it already is, I can end Zevran's story the way I want to.



I have mixed feelings about DA2. I'm sure it will be up to Bioware's high standards, and following a single character for 10 years does have its appeal. However, after spending hundreds of hours getting to know the DA:O characters I will miss them (Zevran most of all). On the other hand, I'm sure that it becomes difficult for game developers to find an adequate challenge for level 30+ characters and still maintain believablity (although a ridiculously awesome level 30+ Zevran has so much appeal I have no idea where to even begin).

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I'm... completely unenthused about DA2, honestly. Everything I've seen about it is a joke. Seriously, that trailer? Looked like a mashup between Disney's Gargoyles and Bayonetta gender-swapped. Not an appealing game, guys. I'm not just saying that to be a sort of troll or anything, that really was my knee-jerk reaction.



Unless I hear something totally awesome about DA2 (which I won't), I'm not buying it. Period. I'll go back to not really caring about video games, probably, since my MMO is going down the toilet as well and the AC series is spinning its wheels on Italy and comic books instead of progressing (and there's no signs of PoP continuing as intended after the movie).



I'm also very upset, as a consumer, about this announcement about the Morrigan DLC being the last DLC. We were promised a lot more, and I think I'll continue to sit back on my money until Bioware makes something interesting/keeps their promises to consumers. They fooled me with Awakenings and got some money they didn't deserve, it won't happen again. I'm waiting for a good and proper review of this DLC, and even if it sounds good I might not buy it out of spite. Why reward bad behavior?



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I wrote something for this week's contest, give me a moment and I'll have it up. >this space reserved<

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TanithAeyrs wrote...

Of course, lack of official DLC means that my FF won't be anymore AU than it already is, I can end Zevran's story the way I want to.


In other words, we should take this to mean that the devs and writers think Zevran fanfiction is so amazing that they don't want to curtail our creativity by "canon" constraints.

I can live with that.

Edited because this needs quoting.

David Gaider wrote...

I love Zevran


Modifié par Sresla, 25 août 2010 - 09:35 .


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Ahh, the Morrigan DLC. We all knew it was coming, but still, it doesn't feel right. This is all they're going to do to sum up Morrigan's whole storyline? I'd certainly hoped aspects of the DR would carry over into DA2 and beyond, and we'd see the political machinations and magical and moral complexities reflecting the choice we made as the Warden. Instead, it's a one-hour long DLC geared at making the Morrigan fan-boys happy (I don't mean to knock Morri fans, we all love her, it just feels as though the DLC is more about finishing her romance than anything).

Actually, the only reasons the lack of a Zev DLC bothers me are 1. Leliana got her own DLC--now I suspect they figured her a more popular character than Zevran, or somehow felt her background was more conducive to a short story format, but it's annoying that they should single her origin story out above all others; and 2. the only companions who got their own DLC are the male love interests (I know Lel is bi, and that Zev could qualify as a male love interest also, but speaking for the majority, Morri and Lel are the male love interests), once again hinting that the male demographic is more important than the female. Heck, even an Alistair DLC would have made it feel more balanced.

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Sresla wrote...

TanithAeyrs wrote...

Of course, lack of official DLC means that my FF won't be anymore AU than it already is, I can end Zevran's story the way I want to.


In other words, we should take this to mean that the devs and writers think Zevran fanfiction is so amazing that they don't want to curtail our creativity by "canon" constraints.

I can live with that.

Edited because this needs quoting.

David Gaider wrote...

I love Zevran



*sigh* I took some consolation from DGs words too, Sresla.  I know he loves his characters, but the reiteration was nice.  Just wish his company loved his characters enough to create more content for them, rather than rushing out a "sequel" that I'm not yet enthusiastic about playing

I'm forcing myself to abandon that thread, as there are people in there pushing my frustration level above tolerance -- I feel like I'm speaking Greek to a box of hammers at times *facepalm*

Living the Warden's future via fanfic will be fine by me, I think.  I don't have (nor do I plan to buy) Awakenings, so I'm going along my merry way ignoring that whole thing.  No running off to Antiva, unless it's for fun rather than something Crow-related  Image IPB

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Aaaw, I must be the only Zev fan that likes the Antiva ending. Antiva politics and Crow machinations fascinate me.I am drawn to bad things though, interesting conflicts, especially in relationships. Still don't know if I want to keep Missa and Zevran together.

So! We can take our Zevran-shaped playdough* and shape the ending how we want, I guess. Antiva or not, "for a time" ending or not. And I'll read/watch them alllllll if you do!
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*There's a penis joke here somewhere, I'm sure.

Modifié par soignee, 25 août 2010 - 09:55 .


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There is something that annoys me about this being the last DLC, and I'm trying to put my finger on it (and it's not just that I'd like more, because I would, but I wasn't really expecting much more).

Ah. I know. So, first we had Leliana's Song, and now we have this about Morrigan. Now, I'll certainly agree that Morrigan's story needs a tying-up a lot more than those of the other romance options, and (depending on what direction exactly it goes in) I'm interested in it, but as it stands... we have something for Leliana and something for Morrigan, but nothing for either Zevran or Alistair. And that strikes me as a little one-sided.
Eh. I'm probably just reading too much into it. It's probably not intentional. Probably.
I'm also really hoping it doesn't decide to just assume that your character was having a romance with her if they were male, but that's probably just my paranoia trying to get out again.
Get back in the box, unfounded paranoia.

I'm also pretty non-plussed about getting all-new companions again. Even if you could just take the old ones along and they didn't have anything new to say, I'd still prefer it. Especially in Golems of Amgarrak, where the new ones don't have anything to say anyhow. I'd rather have had any of the NPCs other than that golem. Ah well. I'd honestly rather just be able to take a set number of companions of your choice (say one or two) with you for the DLCs than having new DLCs centering on them. Maybe this is strange of me? 

I'll probably get DA II (unless everything I hear about it after it's released makes me think I'd never want to play it). There are few enough games out there of the sort I like, and it could be fun. Still, there's a lot about it I'm just not at all sure about. Dialogue wheel and voice-acted PC being prime in my 'get it away from me' list. :/

Well, before this post turns into a complete downer - I really like all of these entries so far. I've gotten so far behind on this thread that if I tried to adress everything individually it would be a really long string of basically 'awesome stuff!' directed at each person, but they are. XD

Drawing's out for me as I'm not at home and I've not got a scanner handy, so unless I get some last-minute writing inspiration I'm probably going to have to pass on this one.



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I'm cool with that ending. Going back to face the Crows seems more fitting than running from them forever.

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There never was a game as open to experiential interpretation as DA:O I am still RPing the heck out of all the origins and probably will be for the next couple of years. (Don't get a lot of free time to play when I am working) But I knew the second I heard the company complaining about the cost of voice actors and the problems with making the game have so many choices on this million dollar money maker that we would never see the likes of this game again. I am not a huge gamer but this game was very special. Still is. They dropped the ball with awakenings and some of the DLC was lackluster but then again Wardens Keep, Ostegar and Stone prisoner were awesome. I hope someday something as dynamic as this was is created again. I feel like I am in mourning.

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soignee wrote...

Aaaw, I must be the only Zev fan that likes the Antiva ending. Antiva politics and Crow machinations fascinate me.I am drawn to bad things though, interesting conflicts, especially in relationships.



It's not that I dislike it, per se.  It just doesn't fit any of my Zevran-romancing Wardens, personality and/or plot-wise.  The Wardens I've created up to this point who romance Zev have other responsibilities/goals that wouldn't allow running off to take over the Crows with Zevran, even if they might want to.  I can definitely see Aleksander Cousland doing so, if he wasn't busy making sure Anora doesn't run the country into the ground Image IPB

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ICevoL wrote...

Sresla wrote...

TanithAeyrs wrote...

Of course, lack of official DLC means that my FF won't be anymore AU than it already is, I can end Zevran's story the way I want to.


In other words, we should take this to mean that the devs and writers think Zevran fanfiction is so amazing that they don't want to curtail our creativity by "canon" constraints.

I can live with that.

Edited because this needs quoting.

David Gaider wrote...

I love Zevran



*sigh* I took some consolation from DGs words too, Sresla.  I know he loves his characters, but the reiteration was nice.  Just wish his company loved his characters enough to create more content for them, rather than rushing out a "sequel" that I'm not yet enthusiastic about playing

I'm forcing myself to abandon that thread, as there are people in there pushing my frustration level above tolerance -- I feel like I'm speaking Greek to a box of hammers at times *facepalm*

Living the Warden's future via fanfic will be fine by me, I think.  I don't have (nor do I plan to buy) Awakenings, so I'm going along my merry way ignoring that whole thing.  No running off to Antiva, unless it's for fun rather than something Crow-related  Image IPB


I agree it was to be a bit much in that thread. But on a lighter note I pmd David Gaider about the thread and he put this in his reply. More consolation I hope...

" Truth be told, I'd do a Zevran-focused DLC if I could.."

We will not get one or any more but at least it was thought of Image IPBImage IPB

Modifié par Hilde, 25 août 2010 - 10:09 .


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I actually rather like the seeking-out-the-Crows ending, too. It seems like something that ought to be done at some point, and it's more interesting than just sitting around and re-building the Wardens - and honestly, I can't picture either Zev or Zemariel keeping that up for more than a couple years. If nothing else, the Warden high-ups would probably kick Zemariel out of that post after a while, considering how most of the actual decisions he's had to make have gone. XD

The rebuilding had just seemed like the thing to do at the end of Origins, so that's what I went with.

I'm still in mourning over the old Baldur's Gate style of gameplay with possibilities of making your whole party if you want to, 2nd edition D&D rules and all that... but I am becoming increasingly more afraid that DA:O is going to turn out to have been the last of what I'd personally consider true RPGs. I'm still kind of holding out hope to be pleasantly surprised.
I mean, not that the other games aren't fun, but... they're not the same. I like some of them, but not as much.

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Hilde wrote...

ICevoL wrote...

Sresla wrote...

TanithAeyrs wrote...

Of course, lack of official DLC means that my FF won't be anymore AU than it already is, I can end Zevran's story the way I want to.


In other words, we should take this to mean that the devs and writers think Zevran fanfiction is so amazing that they don't want to curtail our creativity by "canon" constraints.

I can live with that.

Edited because this needs quoting.

David Gaider wrote...

I love Zevran



*sigh* I took some consolation from DGs words too, Sresla.  I know he loves his characters, but the reiteration was nice.  Just wish his company loved his characters enough to create more content for them, rather than rushing out a "sequel" that I'm not yet enthusiastic about playing

I'm forcing myself to abandon that thread, as there are people in there pushing my frustration level above tolerance -- I feel like I'm speaking Greek to a box of hammers at times *facepalm*

Living the Warden's future via fanfic will be fine by me, I think.  I don't have (nor do I plan to buy) Awakenings, so I'm going along my merry way ignoring that whole thing.  No running off to Antiva, unless it's for fun rather than something Crow-related  Image IPB


I agree it was to be a bit much in that thread. But on a lighter note I pmd David Gaider about the thread and he put this in his reply. More consolation I hope...

" Truth be told, I'd do a Zevran-focused DLC if I could.."

We will not get one or any more but at least it was thought of Image IPBImage IPB


*sniffle*

Thank you for sharing that, Hilde Image IPB.  It does makes me feel a little better.

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ICevoL wrote...


It's not that I dislike it, per se.  It just doesn't fit any of my Zevran-romancing Wardens, personality and/or plot-wise.  The Wardens I've created up to this point who romance Zev have other responsibilities/goals that wouldn't allow running off to take over the Crows with Zevran, even if they might want to.  I can definitely see Aleksander Cousland doing so, if he wasn't busy making sure Anora doesn't run the country into the ground Image IPB


You're right, it depends on the Warden. Perhaps seeing things through my hard-as-nails duster kind of as skewered my perceptions, but I struggle keeping Zevran in one place. I can see him even being bored of teaching inept would-be GWs in Amaranthine, and the way Awakenings ended I don't think even the dutiful of duty bound Wardens would stay for long.

The "for a time" wording always makes me think, "well what's so special about the Warden Commander ending that means he stays? Makesnosense." Anyone got any answers to that? Cause some of us have Wardens who want none of that shenanigans, and will quite happily tell the Grey it wasn't as advertised and run away quit.

I like the Antiva ending as i like the f*ck you nature of it; taking on your enemies instead of ignorning them. RAWR. BAMF to go, please. Stabbity stab. Missa wouldn't be queen of the crows though, oh hell no. Blood vengeance and causing fights, yes. Taking over the Crows, no. But helping the man settle some, ah, business? Sure, why not.

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Sresla wrote...

TanithAeyrs wrote...

Of course, lack of official DLC means that my FF won't be anymore AU than it already is, I can end Zevran's story the way I want to.


In other words, we should take this to mean that the devs and writers think Zevran fanfiction is so amazing that they don't want to curtail our creativity by "canon" constraints.

I can live with that.

Edited because this needs quoting.

David Gaider wrote...

I love Zevran



Hugs, Sresla.  The Zev thread has provided so much inspiration I think we as FF writers and artists all deserve our own endings. 

Also, this means you can keep Zev for ever and ever (you just have to share him with the rest of us).

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soignee wrote...

Aaaw, I must be the only Zev fan that likes the Antiva ending.


I don't necessarily hate the ending - but how they got there? Yes, that I dislike. Obviously it depends on your Warden but for me (I'll even put aside the fact that I don't think Zevran would go) there is absolutely no way Sandor would stay behind if Zevran left. Denerim could be on fire - all of FERELDEN could be on fire - but I just cannot come up with a compelling reason why he would be fine with letting Zevran face the Crows alone (and believe me, I've tried). That leaves the a) Zevran decided to do it alone which results in B) Sandor going after him, flipping the middle finger to Vigil's Keep, Amaranthine and the Architect in the process. And at that point I just throw everything out the window in terms of the endings provided, post-Origins. (We stayed in Denerim, for a time and then we went and did other stuff...)

S&Z do end up in Antiva and do deal with the Crows, just not necessarily right away (or of their own volition).
After all, they did just save pretty much the entire world from the Archdemon. I think they're allowed a few years of fun after that as a reward (and they even get into their fair share of scrapes in the meantime, too...)

I can see Couslands feeling differently. I can understand Wardens with a strong sense of duty remaining. But for those of us who perhaps saw being a Grey Warden as a means to an end (example: a way for a mage to be free from the Circle Tower and strict Chantry control) rather than a lifelong choice, turning your back on it doesn't cause a lot of moral second guesses.

Modifié par Sresla, 25 août 2010 - 10:33 .


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Or even more basically: the Wardens is a means to the end of not dying and once the Blight's finished...

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soignee wrote...

The "for a time" wording always makes me think, "well what's so special about the Warden Commander ending that means he stays? Makesnosense." Anyone got any answers to that? Cause some of us have Wardens who want none of that shenanigans, and will quite happily tell the Grey it wasn't as advertised and run away quit.


Yeah, that's always struck me as a bit odd, too.

If you interpret the "for a time" as "until he heads off to Antiva to take on the Crows, and then the Awakening ending takes precedence" it works pretty well. Or I guess you could think the wandering was for a time. Everything else I could come up with doesn't explain why that one ending would be any different.

@Sresla - Y'know, even though I basically like the ending, I agree with that. I see it as more of a flaw with the beginning of Awakening rather than the end, though.

It took me quite a while to come up with a reason Zemariel wouldn't've just dropped everything and charged off after Zevran, and eventually the only thing I could come up with was that he was just cocky and unrealistic enough to assume he could take care of the Vigil's Keep business and still meet up with Zev in time afterwards.

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I have no chance with this week's awesome contest entries, but here's mine. Just under an hour.
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Watching strong, slender, golden-skinned hands slide across the darker flesh under flickering firelight is captivating, and he finds himself watching silent, rapt. There is such intent in those amber eyes, a gentle smile just curling the edges of Zevran's lips as if this is some secret pleasure. His fingertips trace the hard lines and curves, finding each edge and crease with a gentle caress before a firm touch. He knows these motions not simply by muscle memory but by heart, and watching him is like watching Leliana when she has found some snatch of song to hum, some tune as yet unknown to the world and wholly her own and probably lost before the day is out, the concentration and the ecstasy and the wholehearted enjoyment there. He can smell it over the fire, too, and understands Zevran's obsession with that, at least: masculine, almost musky but just a little too clean, hanging in the cool autumn night.

Zevran kneads the oil in lovingly, working it into the dark skin and the soft, worn joints, and watching him is hypnotic, erotic—Cadryn finds himself wondering what it would be like to receive that same sort of delicate attention and thoughtful care. For a moment, he's jealous. The others are asleep in their tents, and Cadryn is glad this moment is his alone, that no one is there to see him catch a deep lungful of that scent, or how intently he's watching Zevran work and the firelight across his skin, the fine muscles of his hands making subtle shifts in the shadows as they move.

“I'm beginning to worry, Zev, that if I weren't watching you'd be making love to that armor.”

“But it is such a fine set you have bought me, my friend.” The smile quirks his lips up a little further, and maybe it is a trick of the light but Cadryn thinks he sees a little color rising in Zevran's cheeks. “Perhaps, however, you see how very skilled I am with my hands, and it is time I showed you some of those massage techniques I have picked up, hm?”

“If it's half what you're doing to that armor,” Cadryn makes a little gesture toward the cuirass laid out in front of Zevran, never taking his hands off the book laid out across his lap, “I don't think I'd survive the experience.” And for a moment Cadryn wonders if he means it, if the comment is an offer and not out of gratitude or simple teasing.

For a moment Zevran's attention turns to him, giving an obvious look up and down Cadryn's body, smile approving and hungry. Then he goes back to caressing and kneading the armor, still making a show of it, but now the smile on his face is satisfied.

Modifié par Tellervo, 25 août 2010 - 11:33 .


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Sresla wrote...
I can understand Wardens with a strong sense of duty remaining. But for those of us who perhaps saw being a Grey Warden as a means to an end (example: a way for a mage to be free from the Circle Tower and strict Chantry control) rather than a lifelong choice, turning your back on it doesn't cause a lot of moral second guesses.


This.  The Antiva ending is good story wise, and I love me some politics and some sneaky rogueish stuff (clearly, by my ficcage), but my primary Warden didn't just see the Wardens as a way out (though they were pretty friggin' convenient).  He bought the philosophy.  Hence why I was compelled to write the scene where he finally said "screw them".

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Here's my (brainless) go at the leather prompt...


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I was just thinking how fortunate we are in the Dragon Age fandom to have a fantasy assassin who does not fit into the "draco in leather pants" trope (since that's the first thing, unfortunately enough, that comes into my mind when I think of leather. actually it's the second thing but the first thing is NSFW inappropriate :pinched:)

@Hilde: Awww poor Zev to be stripped so! (well, perhaps he's not that 'poor' after all...)
@ICevol: Hehehe... that was simultaneous adorable and sexy. :wub: A-am I the only one hoping for a sequel/epilogue now?? *bricked*

@soignee: Really like this one. Those gloves hanging above are kind of ominous, kind of haunting... perhaps reminding her of what she's lost by running away from the Dalish? It's also heartrending how thin she is even so pregnant... :( and she is so drop-dead gorgeous it's little wonder she's Zev's mother.

@tellervo: ah, the innuendo so thick I could cut it with a knife! just the way I like it. And I like this take on the build-up to the 'massage' conversation...

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Payroo, I'm glad you're on our side and using your power for something so amazingly hot I just can't seem to stop staring good.

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@soignee - beautiful art as always, so sad though.



@Tellervo- the innuendo is great, but even more, you made me feel Zevran's devoted attention to the leather armor through Cadryn's eyes.



@Payroo- one word -Yum!