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[ejoslin]

Jenova65 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

@ejoslin, since you are so well versed on Zev maybe you know how to just not start the Alistair romance while still being nice? I don't like being a douche so would rather avoid any confusion in the first place, iyswim? Plus if he gives me THAT quivering lip face I WILL cry.

Alistair's romance is easy not to start.  Don't call him handsome.  Don't tell him he's special to you (even when the two other conversation choices are snarky), and if he asks if it's ok if he calls you beautiful, tell him you would rather he diddn't (this actually should cut the romance off permanently).

If you flirt with Alistair in any way, shape, or form, it turns the romance on.  One of the funniest conversations I ever had regarding that issue is one where trying to convince him to marry Anora.  It went something like, "WHY should I marry her?" "Because I find men in power attractive." "Oooooh!  I didn't know that!" "So you'l do it?" "WAIT!  What about US?" "There IS no 'us!"'" (and IRL I'm going WTF?) Bam -20 approval.

He did marry her, FWIW.

As long as he doesn't give me that rose, I think I can manage that (I am avoiding the handsome line and the dialogue regarding lampposts atm.....) My husband wrecked my fun tonight lol, I had just about finished the Brecilian Forest and keen to get back to the Dalish camp so I can leave and trigger the Zev ambush... And HE wants to watch Friends.......... (we are having our annual Friends marathon, which better be over by next Friday, lol) So now I have to wait til at least tomorrow night  Maybe Friday............ 

Lamppost is a great conversation to have if you want to friendzone him.  When he talks about being a gentleman in front of beautiful women, ask him if he thinks you're beautiful.  When he asks if he should, tell him that you wish he wouldn't.  No more romance starter lines.

[darkrose]

mnomaha wrote...

It just seems to be to be very contrary to wear body armour and no footwear. It makes me a bit angry that it's only elves this is applicable to. If I were Dalish, I would no better than to run around a forest in bare feet. If I were a city elf, I certainly wouldn't want to be stepping outside my house without something covering my feet.

No kidding! Those standing pools of dirty water in the Denerim Alienage are scary. You have to think that plague is a fairly common occurrence.

[payroo]

darkrose wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

It just seems to be to be very contrary to wear body armour and no footwear. It makes me a bit angry that it's only elves this is applicable to. If I were Dalish, I would no better than to run around a forest in bare feet. If I were a city elf, I certainly wouldn't want to be stepping outside my house without something covering my feet.

No kidding! Those standing pools of dirty water in the Denerim Alienage are scary. You have to think that plague is a fairly common occurrence.

...not to mention hookworms

[mnomaha]

payroo wrote...

darkrose wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

It just seems to be to be very contrary to wear body armour and no footwear. It makes me a bit angry that it's only elves this is applicable to. If I were Dalish, I would *no* better than to run around a forest in bare feet. If I were a city elf, I certainly wouldn't want to be stepping outside my house without something covering my feet.

No kidding! Those standing pools of dirty water in the Denerim Alienage are scary. You have to think that plague is a fairly common occurrence.

...not to mention hookworms

OK, first off, sorry for the bad grammar. Yes, English is my first language. I do KNOW how to spell.

Standing pools of dirty water. Yeah ewww. It's right up there with the fact that apparently the guys just whip it out when they gotta pee. Well, my assumption anyways. I get game and fanfic comfused sometimes, but I think someone said in game that the guys pee on the alienage tree.

Hookworms? As a dog owner, any worm makes me  but people worms....yeah, no thanks.

[Tellervo]

Zevran, actually, points out the irony/hypocrisy of the alienage elves being so proud of their heritage and still pissing on the tree that represents it.

[payroo]

mnomaha wrote...

Standing pools of dirty water. Yeah ewww. It's right up there with the fact that apparently the guys just whip it out when they gotta pee. Well, my assumption anyways. I get game and fanfic comfused sometimes, but I think someone said in game that the guys pee on the alienage tree.

Heh, it's actually Zevran's spoken line when you go into the Denerim Alienage:
"Elves plant these trees to remind themselves of who they once were. And then they pee on it. Charming symbolism, really."


http://dragonage.wik...Zevran/Dialogue

EDIT: d'oh! ninja'd by Tell

Ugh, and also consider that Denerim probably doesn't have a good sewage/drainage system... and that people probably get rid of their business by throwing it into the street

Modifié par payroo, 03 mars 2011 - 04:54 .

[mnomaha]

Thanks guys, I *knew* that I had heard that but it's been a while since I actually played the game.

It just seems so wrong...maybe it's just a concept art thing. I'm hoping that's what it is...please?

[Aroihkin]

This is the part where I crack a joke about making Zev get back in the kitchen and make me a pie, and then either get the OMG MYSOGYNY!11!! garbage or the NONCOMFORMING GENDER IDENTITY IS BAD AND YOU ARE BAD!!11!11!!! stupidity over a joke, isn't it?

...Okay, just checking!




I sure hope shoeless Zev knows how to bake. 

[mnomaha]

@Aroihkin...just as long as he doesn't get pregnant. LOL

[revan11exile]

Wait so is Zev going to have shoes on or is he going to be like Merrill?

[mnomaha]

I'm just guessing, but from what I've gathered, all the elves, and only the elves, may be shoeless.

[Aroihkin]

Mpreg makes me  hard, so let's hope not.

And hopefully the city elves / ones who think of themselves more as Antivan / Crow than elven, and who are known for their love of antivan leather boots, can put some @#$%ing shoes on.

Though the pie is still welcome, of course.

[darkrose]

Aroihkin wrote...
Mpreg makes me  hard, so let's hope not.

I dunno...I think this fandom needs moar mpreg. Although if anyone's going to get knocked up, it would be Alistair.

[Batorific]

Just popping in to say Zev is awesome.

By far my favorite character in Origins, as both friend and romance (Not that i could ever resist his charms). While other companions are preachy, borderline compulsive liars, drunks, and drama queens... Zev just wants a friend. And I've always adored him for it. I really don't understand why so many people hate the guy. He's hilarious in a party as he teases everyone, non-judgmental on your actions, and far more loyal than the rest of the lot (when you earn it).

I literally can't play through origins without him in my party. ): And as a writer i appreciate the sheer depth of character. And purposeful "un-likable" traits that make him a more believable person.

And on the point of the notorious screenshot, i'd say that its from an earlier build. Just by the muddy texture work. And frankly, the elf redesign does NOT look well at that particular angle. Even Merril and Fenris look awkward from that angle.

[Sresla]

You know, I was going to imbed the image here, but I think I'll link to it instead, just because it's one of those things that once you see it, you can't un-see it, and my particular brand of humor isn't always for everyone.

I enjoy me some Zevran art - I've commissioned pieces and been kindly gifted with some as well, even though sometimes I wonder if people just don't skim over them when they see Zevran and my OC. "Why can't it just be Zevran? Who needs this other elf in the picture? Not us!" is sort of what I imagine, which is why I try to do a mix and not always clutter it up.

So, that being said, you'll understand that sometimes an idea takes hold of you and it just won't let go and eventually you just have to pay someone to bring it to life.

[Jenova65]

ejoslin wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

@ejoslin, since you are so well versed on Zev maybe you know how to just not start the Alistair romance while still being nice? I don't like being a douche so would rather avoid any confusion in the first place, iyswim? Plus if he gives me THAT quivering lip face I WILL cry.

Alistair's romance is easy not to start.  Don't call him handsome.  Don't tell him he's special to you (even when the two other conversation choices are snarky), and if he asks if it's ok if he calls you beautiful, tell him you would rather he diddn't (this actually should cut the romance off permanently).

If you flirt with Alistair in any way, shape, or form, it turns the romance on.  One of the funniest conversations I ever had regarding that issue is one where trying to convince him to marry Anora.  It went something like, "WHY should I marry her?" "Because I find men in power attractive." "Oooooh!  I didn't know that!" "So you'l do it?" "WAIT!  What about US?" "There IS no 'us!"'" (and IRL I'm going WTF?) Bam -20 approval.

He did marry her, FWIW.

As long as he doesn't give me that rose, I think I can manage that (I am avoiding the handsome line and the dialogue regarding lampposts atm.....) My husband wrecked my fun tonight lol, I had just about finished the Brecilian Forest and keen to get back to the Dalish camp so I can leave and trigger the Zev ambush... And HE wants to watch Friends.......... (we are having our annual Friends marathon, which better be over by next Friday, lol) So now I have to wait til at least tomorrow night  Maybe Friday............ 

Lamppost is a great conversation to have if you want to friendzone him.  When he talks about being a gentleman in front of beautiful women, ask him if he thinks you're beautiful.  When he asks if he should, tell him that you wish he wouldn't.  No more romance starter lines.

OK, just going to have to bite the bullet then..................  Thank you, you are my Zev guru........ 

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Sresla wrote...

You know, I was going to imbed the image here, but I think I'll link to it instead, just because it's one of those things that once you see it, you can't un-see it, and my particular brand of humor isn't always for everyone.

I enjoy me some Zevran art - I've commissioned pieces and been kindly gifted with some as well, even though sometimes I wonder if people just don't skim over them when they see Zevran and my OC. "Why can't it just be Zevran? Who needs this other elf in the picture? Not us!" is sort of what I imagine, which is why I try to do a mix and not always clutter it up.

So, that being said, you'll understand that sometimes an idea takes hold of you and it just won't let go and eventually you just have to pay someone to bring it to life.

The Alicorn has a rival, I see...

[Jenova65]

Batorific wrote...

Just popping in to say Zev is awesome.

By far my favorite character in Origins, as both friend and romance (Not that i could ever resist his charms). While other companions are preachy, borderline compulsive liars, drunks, and drama queens... Zev just wants a friend. And I've always adored him for it. I really don't understand why so many people hate the guy. He's hilarious in a party as he teases everyone, non-judgmental on your actions, and far more loyal than the rest of the lot (when you earn it).

I literally can't play through origins without him in my party. ): And as a writer i appreciate the sheer depth of character. And purposeful "un-likable" traits that make him a more believable person.

And on the point of the notorious screenshot, i'd say that its from an earlier build. Just by the muddy texture work. And frankly, the elf redesign does NOT look well at that particular angle. Even Merril and Fenris look awkward from that angle.

Whu..........? People hate him? *wibble*
I might be new to the Zev thread but I have ALWAYS loved him. It is news to me that there are people who hate him. I mean sure, I get that people stupidly kill him on the grounds that they think he will betray their warden or even kill him because of pure RP 'that's what that particular warden would do'', kind of thing. But I didn't know that people could hate on him once they got to know him  *is naive obviously*

[Dunizel]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Sresla wrote...

So, that being said, you'll understand that sometimes an idea takes hold of you and it just won't let go and eventually you just have to pay someone to bring it to life.

The Alicorn has a rival, I see...

What a nice way to start my day xD That's so ridiculously awesome!

Seriously, checking the new answers in this thread before going out to work makes me feel better...in these days with the shoeless debate ongoing, it's even more funny 



Btw, yes, I read a lot of people can't stand Zevran too. But I've seen many of them come to like him, when they tried to talk a bit more to him. You have to be willing to go past his attitude and try to know him to appreciate the character. Many on the other hand simply don't like his flamboyant style, or simply the fact that he is, in their opinion, a stereptypical bi male flirting with everyone. Probably they don't see his sarcarm or don't like his irony and witty lines. But in most cases, I think that if they would rally try to understand his story they would even understand his view of life. But that takes some patience, and while we are rewarded, they aren't 

Modifié par Dunizel, 03 mars 2011 - 11:48 .

[ejoslin]

There are people who hate Zevran because he's an out bisexual male. Then there are people who hate Zevran because they think he's an example of the most unflattering type of gay male. Then there are people who hate Zevran because they just don't like his story so have made up less-flattering stories and made them their head-canon (and once the debates end up with the person saying, "Well, my version makes FAR more sense" then it's time to quit).

Edit: I left out the Leliana-fans who are a bit possessive of her and get REALLY mad when Zevran hits on her, especially since it's so crude.

Then there are people who think he's just too flirtatious.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 03 mars 2011 - 12:12 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Mhh. I liked Zevran since my first playthrough, though I was a bit put off by the fact he was gay ( I do not hate gay people but I do have certain issues with what they do ), but eh then I discovered the Zevran fan thread and that + soignee's Dead Duster story compelled me to make a Female Warden to pursue a romance with him. Absolutely freaking loved their love story.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 03 mars 2011 - 12:17 .

[Jenova65]

Well, you learn something new everyday................ Not sure I *get* all that, bisexual men make wonderful lovers And are often a pleasant mix of manly but sensitive
Ah well haters gonna hate, I suppose. I also don't get the hate from Leli fans, Zev just is like that with everyone, it is naughtiness imo and to tease and shock and get a reaction. I'm not too fussed on her (think I mentioned) as she is a bit like Bastila in her holier than thou approach (hypocrisy much?) I don't dislike any of them, they all have merits. Morrigan is probably the least used one of all because maker help you if you do something nice
@Costin, I don't really read fan stories (I have a nearly 2 year old toddler so don't have the concentration required for lengthy reading online) but if the one you mentioned had that much of an effect I might check it out... Anyone have the link to hand?
You all seem very nice here, I think I will be here a lot

[Corker]

Dead Duster Walking by soignee!

Modifié par Corker, 03 mars 2011 - 01:37 .

[Hilde]

Prompt: I hope they ask me to join in....

"Just once I'd like to walk into one of these places and discover a lively dance, or a drinking festival. Or an orgy. But alas, no." 

Closing Time!

Corker : Lost Opportunity

Absolutely brilliant! Zevran’s excitement and fleeting hope to join in was so perfectly portrayed in just a few sentences. I really enjoyed this and cannot wait to read the extended version

Winner: Corker! ...pm me for a prize.

And for the next prompt, Corker!

[Corker]

Well, the competition was really tough this week, but...  um...  heh.    (FWIW, the 'extended version' is a totally different fill based around a Leliana prompt over on the kmeme.  But there's an orgy and there's Zevran, so hey!    I'll post a link when it's done.)


Y'all, DA2 comes out Tuesday, so if there are no objections, I'm going to put the cutoff deadline at 9am EST on 3/14/11 - the Monday after next - to allow a little more time for entries.


Inspired by the nail-biting over the will-he, won't-he Anitvan Leather Boots question:




Prompt: Flat-ears

"Here, we're among family. We look out for each other. Here, we do what
we can to remember the old ways. The flat-ears who have gone out there,
they're stuck. They'll never be human, and they've gone and thrown away
being elven, too. So where does that leave them? Nowhere."

"Elves plant these trees to remind themselves of who they once were. And then they pee on it. Charming symbolism, really."


Looking for reflections on elven identity and degrees thereof, how or if it matters, what it means or doesn't mean if it's lost, set aside, or consciously destroyed.

Time limit: Three hours

Deadline: 9am EST, 3/14/11

Prize: Prose or poetry in a variety of styles; see links in sig.