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[mnomaha]

Oh crap...was that too spoilerish?

[techwench]

After seeing Zev's cameo, husband said, "Zevran is still a BAMF...too bad he looks like Antivan poop." LOL

[ejoslin]

My FYI regarding DA2 (since not everyone sees my status). The romance active flags are not importing properly (though the made love flag is), so very likely you are getting the wrong dialog for Zevran in DA2 -- I think his hitting on Hawke and offering to have  sex is a bug (I hope).  Hopefully it's a bug that will be FIXED.

Well, this answers my question whether I buy on the PC or on the Xbox (though there was never really a doubt, though it was nice playing video games on the big screen tv). But I'll hold off on buying until after this is fixed. It could very well have implications in DA3, and I don't want to have to replay to get it right once I start playing "official" (heh, not a friend's system that is) games. I almost bought tonight -- I do enjoy the romances!

You think they would have learned after the WH fiasco :/

Modifié par ejoslin, 12 mars 2011 - 01:35 .

[Verly]

there is a save generator mod in the DA2 mod page. (I don't have the game yet, but it looks like a promising mod to use)

[jenovan]

The save generator (if we're talking about the same thing) is handy for if you don't want to/can't play through Origins and the add-ons to set up the world conditions you want. That's actually pretty cool. It's specifically tailored to set up the flags known to be read by DA2.

Unfortunately, no matter what you set up going in, the romance flags -- for all 4 LIs -- are being reported as "off" in the debug console. They could be saved as "on" within your DA2 save data -- so they actually imported correctly! -- but it appears that the game is ignoring them entirely. :|

[Mox Ruuga]

jenovan wrote...

The save generator (if we're talking about the same thing) is handy for if you don't want to/can't play through Origins and the add-ons to set up the world conditions you want. That's actually pretty cool. It's specifically tailored to set up the flags known to be read by DA2.

Unfortunately, no matter what you set up going in, the romance flags -- for all 4 LIs -- are being reported as "off" in the debug console. They could be saved as "on" within your DA2 save data -- so they actually imported correctly! -- but it appears that the game is ignoring them entirely. :|

I've read, in one other LIs case anyway, that this is due to the import having been made with Wardens that played through the DLC. Namely Witch Hunt being the culprit in at least that certain other LIs case.

[ejoslin]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

jenovan wrote...

The save generator (if we're talking about the same thing) is handy for if you don't want to/can't play through Origins and the add-ons to set up the world conditions you want. That's actually pretty cool. It's specifically tailored to set up the flags known to be read by DA2.

Unfortunately, no matter what you set up going in, the romance flags -- for all 4 LIs -- are being reported as "off" in the debug console. They could be saved as "on" within your DA2 save data -- so they actually imported correctly! -- but it appears that the game is ignoring them entirely. :|

I've read, in one other LIs case anyway, that this is due to the import having been made with Wardens that played through the DLC. Namely Witch Hunt being the culprit in at least that certain other LIs case.

No.  It's not caused by DLC. This much I know. No matter where the game is imported from, there are problems. I had someone test three of my saves, one from just Origins, one from Awakening, and one from Witch Hunt and all three had messed up LI flags.  And if anyone else would like to test, I have the savegames  But I think everyone does.  I just wanted to be sure.

Edit: I think it's really important that the fact that all flags from all imports (not just witch hunt) is known to technical support, or else it's possible the wrong thing will be focused on.

Modifié par ejoslin, 12 mars 2011 - 06:43 .

[Mox Ruuga]

ejoslin wrote...

No.  It's not caused by DLC. This much I know. No matter where the game is imported from, there are problems. I had someone test three of my saves, one from just Origins, one from Awakening, and one from Witch Hunt and all three had messed up LI flags.  And if anyone else would like to test, I have the savegames  But I think everyone does.  I just wanted to be sure.

Edit: I think it's really important that the fact that all flags from all imports (not just witch hunt) is known to technical support, or else it's possible the wrong thing will be focused on.

Argh.

The import feature is broken, whoda thunk?  

Oh Bioware...

Let's hope they correct it, tho I'm unfortunately sceptical. I'm afraid the community will have to step up, but even then their work will again go unnoticed if there ever will be a DA3, and only the broken stuff from vanilla!DA2 will get recognized.

[Verly]

ah, poo, I was hoping that save generator would be a good fix. I can't get the game for over a month so hopefully BW or at least the mod community can come up with something.

[Dunizel]

Let's face it though, the consequences of the import are little.
Sadly, I have to admit.
I imported a warden that was half-through the story, I had to finish Orzammar (but sided with Belen) and then there was the Landsmeet. It clearly said that I could import but the other decisions would be the default ones. For example, I have already mentions of Alistair as King, even though I didn't reach the Landsmeet on that save.
That Warden was dalish elf who was romancing Zev and broke up with Alistair, but since I didn't finish the romance (no ring or Taliesin encounter), I cannot say if it is a good test for the Zevran cameo.
I will have to wait the Xbox version, it should arrive next week, I regretted it but I played DA:O there first and mainly.
Meanwhile, I'm playing on PC and I'll try to reach Zev to see if something changes. As of now, I already told the opinion I had of the cameo to Ejoslin, and my impression remains the same. I don't want to be spoilerish

I'll check the save-generator, might be useful...if meanwhile they could fix th flag import too...
EDIT: The Generator works like a charm, it's a life-saver. Wish I knew before I started my import of the "not-so-finished" game. Stiil the Zevran romance flag is not imported correctly.
But at least the import is less bugged that my normal save, which sucks. 


EDIT: Thanks for the ocnsole command. Now I can confirm you is a big mess xD and It clearly decides on his own whatever he likes, even contradicting itself.
I know I imported that same file in Awakenings, but  in this Awekening file I imported in DA2 I had Nate in my group killing the broodmother...but the import says I didn't even recruit him and he left the wardens ( how he left without joining, I have to idea. And I have no idea how this could impact his cameo, but pisses me off since I really like Nate).
He recognizes that the Architect is alive (but there again, could be his default status), that I saved Amaranthine, and that the silver order was created (I suppose this comes from the fully upgraded Keep)
Aside Alistair, everyone slept with Isabela...which is not true, not Leliana for sure, since she wasn't even there.
My Warden is dead. (err)
My Warden did not romance Alistair and did not make love to him (err, wrong, but ok)
My Warden did not romance Zevran....but did make love with Zevran (errr again)
Alistair is king, not married to Anora. (I assume again this is the default status, I didn't do the Landsmeet, but I hardened Alistair if it matters for him)
It says I didnt cure the werewolves, but I did. I even had the quest regarding werewolves just yesterday.
Harrowmond is King (I sided with Belen without completing the quest though, I suppose Harrowmond is default king)
Connor is correctly alive and I supported the mages (that is correct at least)
Loghain is alive ( might be because I didn't do the Landsmeet, but if Alistair is king - and my Warden is dead according toit...where the heck is Loghain)

I ran the console before loading a save (before the character creation, in the intro), you can see what are the default Origins settings and compare. It was interesting.

I will try to finish that game properly and see it if changes something importing it, but honestly, I think it will not matter (the Nate bug is pissing me off to no end at the moment, at least with the SaveGenerator the import is less buggy...)

Modifié par Dunizel, 12 mars 2011 - 10:57 .

[ejoslin]

Well, despite all my screaming, apparently Zevran's romance flag IS importing and there is a small reference to the romance. So I'll quit screaming now!

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Yep, just reached Zev using my romanced save, from Awakening. He offers to bed Hawke. Not that Hawke is complaining, mind you.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Reached Zev on my romanced playthrough (imported from Awakening) and yes, Zev can proposition Hawke. So either flags are broken, or Zev...sleeps around.

[Jenova65]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Reached Zev on my romanced playthrough (imported from Awakening) and yes, Zev can proposition Hawke. So either flags are broken, or Zev...sleeps around.

Wait, Zev is loose with his morals? No way.............. 
I wonder that has anything to do with your choice at the end (if you go travelling with him or remain in Denerim..) Cos I was disappointed that at the end he only stays with the Warden for a time if you stay in Denerim (can't recall that happening if you travel with him) < Is that just my memory playing up?

[ejoslin]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Reached Zev on my romanced playthrough (imported from Awakening) and yes, Zev can proposition Hawke. So either flags are broken, or Zev...sleeps around.

Actually, after all my yelling, I do NOT think his import flags are broken (at least not always).  It could be the console command was broken.  There IS a small reference to the romance.  But it is so small, it's easy to miss.

**spoiler**  DA2 SPOILER:

The crow guy says, if you let Zevran go, something like, "This time you don't have your warden with you."  It's possible that all the flirting is a dialog bug, or perhaps, well, Zevran sleeps around.  I'm actually just happy there's a reference.

[Dunizel]

Jenova65 wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I wonder that has anything to do with your choice at the end (if you go travelling with him or remain in Denerim..) Cos I was disappointed that at the end he only stays with the Warden for a time if you stay in Denerim (can't recall that happening if you travel with him) < Is that just my memory playing up?

My Warden and Zev went travelling for a while, then reunited after Awakening, still the import says they slept togheter but they are not in a romance.

@Ejoslin: ****ABOUT THE SPOILER**** Yes, I knew about that line but I honestly ysaw it in every video around on youtube. I suppose it's there even if only the flag "Zevran is recuited" is active. I don't think it has anything to do with the romance. There again I begin to suspect that the romance has sadly no influence and that was the better reference we can have (and the "I still don't understand why they beliueve they can kill people like you and the Warden"). Imho, the whole flirt thing it's just to to *squeee* over the jealous LI. I'm on Act2, we will see....

Modifié par Dunizel, 13 mars 2011 - 11:54 .

[Jenova65]

 My daughter is playing DA II and hasn't played Origins yet (though she says she is going to after playing DA II, we've only been telling her she'd love it since it cane out..............<_<) She says she will be romancing Zev as she likes his cheekiness  Anyway, my point............ I did have one, I know I left it here somewhere........ Oh, yes.. She won't have an import so I can ask her to call me in when she meets Zev and see what happens? 

Also.................... I am enjoying DA II a lot and romancing Fen BUT............. I miss Zev and Alistair :crying::crying: *sniffles* A LOT... *continues sniffling*

[Jenova65]

Dunizel wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I wonder that has anything to do with your choice at the end (if you go travelling with him or remain in Denerim..) Cos I was disappointed that at the end he only stays with the Warden for a time if you stay in Denerim (can't recall that happening if you travel with him) < Is that just my memory playing up?

My Warden and Zev went travelling for a while, then reunited after Awakening, still the import says they slept togheter but they are not in a romance.

Reunited? I haven't played Awakenings on PS3 yet and don't have a Zev save on 360 (yet) what happens? I assume it in the descriptives at the end? 

[Dunizel]

Yes, the slide in the epilogue mentions that rumors are the Warden went to Antiva to reunite with Zevran and deal with the Crows. It is to the player to decide if they killed everyone, ruled the Crows, or simply continued travelling togheter.

I jsust went in the wiki to try to find the text of the slide, I am frozen and shocked...who the heck thought it was a good idea to change Zevran's profile screen with the DA:2 one!! O_O Please ç_ç I just added my complain in the talk page too...

Modifié par Dunizel, 14 mars 2011 - 12:12 .

[Jenova65]

Dunizel wrote...

Yes, the slide in the epilogue mentions that rumors are the Warden disappeared and went to Antiva to reunite with Zevran and deal with the Crows, or travelling together.

I jsust went in the wiki to try to find the text of the slide, I am frozen and shocked...who the heck thought it was a good idea to change Zevran's profile screen with the DA:2 one!! O_O Please ç_ç I just added my complain in the talk page too...

*Gasps* the swines..................... <_<

[Dunizel]

upsy, I changed my post while you were answering xD Just added a clarification on the ending slide.

The "Origins!Zevran screen is in the gallery, I noticed after the shock passed. I suggested to put the DA2 down there >.>

[techwench]

There's a forum thread on the wiki (in addition to the Zevran talk page).

[Costin_Razvan]

 Here is the full cameo of Zevran.

Zevran Cameo Dragon Age II.

Seriously Isabela is incredibly awesome here.

Zevran: Ah my dear Isabela, it has been a delight to see you again, you travel in fine company
Isabela: That's it, your leaving? What about sex?!
Zevran: "Laughs" Still blunt as Dwarven hammer I see.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 14 mars 2011 - 01:18 .

[Dunizel]

Oh my, first time I see the cameo with Isabela :°D Adds some lovable Zevran's laughs.

[Sresla]

Just finished DA2, and once was probably enough. My game was pretty buggy - Merrill's personal quest couldn't be completed and I think her bug made Fenris bug out too, as I never got his personal quest follow-up (I didn't even know it existed until I checked). I still got the romance epilogue but none of the resolution and gate finale (I finally wrangled a fix for it, which was worth it). I've got my saves at Zevran all nicely labelled so if the flags are ever repaired (assuming there IS other dialogue) I can go back and check it out. I think the new elves are universally ugly (a weird mix of Bajoran and Na'vi), with the exception of Fenris who is far and away the best looking elf in the game (although he does suffer from skinny neck syndrome in a lot of up-close dialogue). I just put my hand up over the screen when Zevran was on deck. I'm glad they used Jon Curry and not someone else, it would have doubly broken me.

Minor spoiler:

Make sure to bring Anders with you to meet Zevran (I don't know if Isabela's dialogue overrides his, she's long gone in my game.)

So, back to Origins, and the Zevran I love! To ensure this remains on topic, here are two DA2 screenshots. Neither of them are direct spoilers, but I'm only going to link them in case people really don't want to see anything DA2 related until they finish (and obliquely, they do involve Zevran).

http://tinyurl.com/4e8r33h
tinyurl.com/4uzknmn

Modifié par Sresla, 14 mars 2011 - 05:03 .