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payroo wrote...
Ah hell, I thought of a prompt already.
CHALLENGE 3!
Prompt: Gold/silver bars.
This could be why he likes them, what he does with them or uses them for, or just Zevran sitting on a pile of bling. Let's set the time limit at 45 minutes.
Deadline: 5 pm Pacific US on Thursday. Judging will commence Friday.
Prize: Sketch of whatever you want~
Minaleth wrote...
That! Happened to me tooooopayroo wrote...
(Not to mention Zevran has completely eaten my artistic muse alive and taken its place.)
I was like "No, I will never draw any fanart ever" - and look at me, I am slave to Zev's dashing manly beauty, lol. <3
Keiran!! And I always love Alistair/Zevran banters.Сообщение изменено: payroo, 10 Август 2010 - 06:04 .
maradeux wrote...
Back to topic... I unfortunately missed most of the "serious" discussions in the old thread. And - if you don't mind - I would be interested to know, what you (the current active writers in the thread) like about Zevran.
.Ha. Yes, he did this to my writing muses too (well, he and Alessar kind of tag-teamed...).payroo wrote...
(Not to mention Zevran has completely eaten my artistic muse alive and taken its place.)
Eh, we've all expected it for a long time, so no biggie. Thanks for clarifying things, Seagloom, and the new thread is kind of refreshing, actually. *wonders if Princess and Alicorn are on-topic* Hey, if they could use Alicorn in the Qunari thread, we can use them in here, right? 
maradeux wrote...
Back to topic... I unfortunately missed most of the "serious" discussions in the old thread. And - if you don't mind - I would be interested to know, what you (the current active writers in the thread) like about Zevran.
Like Leiliana, though, that's in the past, which makes it a little easier to overlook. Alistair and Morrigan (sometimes) present me with serious problems in-game, and that's harder for me to accept in a LI.
jenovan wrote...
But then he came back with his memorable, "I fancy many things. I fancy things that are beautiful and things that are strong. I fancy things that are dangerous and exciting. Would you be offended if I said I fancied you?" The fact that he presents it as a question rather than a statement was interesting to me (and played well to my, errr... bi-curious PC
)jenovan wrote...
The second, I found even more enchanting. There's that conversation he starts when he asks about the future ("What do you intend to do with me when this is over?"). When pushed about why he might want to stay instead of leave, he says, "Is there no one I might stay for?" It's the first hint you get (and it can be quite early!) that, no matter how much he talks about freedom, he'll be willing to stay by your side. I think it says something interesting about how much he wants somewhere to belong (even if that "place" is with a person, rather than a location).
jenovan wrote...
Uh. I'll stop now. XD But yeah, he hooked me quite early and never let go.
I think you can. He asks what you'll do with him once 'all this' is over which could mean both the Blight and his Crow problem (which he doesn't seem to think will last forever, just until Taliesin is dealt with). He responds with 'is there no one I might stay for' to the 'you could go if you wanted to' not 'I'm forcing you to leave.' At this point, you've proven, at the very least, willing to put up with him while he tries to evade the Crows. Why would he need to try and manipulate you when you just tell him you're not going to try to force him to stay? It seems so unnecessary.maradeux wrote...
jenovan wrote...
The second, I found even more enchanting. There's that conversation he starts when he asks about the future ("What do you intend to do with me when this is over?"). When pushed about why he might want to stay instead of leave, he says, "Is there no one I might stay for?" It's the first hint you get (and it can be quite early!) that, no matter how much he talks about freedom, he'll be willing to stay by your side. I think it says something interesting about how much he wants somewhere to belong (even if that "place" is with a person, rather than a location).
But at that moment you cannot know if it is more a "tactical statement". He wants to stay with you to be protected against the Crows. But of course - it sounds nice. He masters all his weapons.
soignee wrote...
if I'm honest, Zevran shaped how I write and percieve Missa. I wanted to play a duster, and was looking for a way to create a character that would survive that, as well as be a competent leader that's meant to end a Blight. I thought, "who would understand her," and Zevran popped up first, followed closely by Morrigan and Alistair.
Their relationship became a great example of showing her growth and how she deals with her life experiences. Leliana, Alistair and Morrigan wouldn't get Dust Town and the wh0ring and hustling there, but Zevran would. Sten, Wynne and Oghren wouldn't get what it is to be used by a crime sindicate, to be nothing and told you are nothing, but Zevran would.
The parallels are too good nto to use in a story form. Rinna's betrayal mirrors nicely with Leske's, the YOU AIN'T NOTHIN' BUT DUST TOWN fits in with the Crow's opinion of their members and the politics of Antiva seem to fit Dwarven social backbiting nicely, even if it's not as glamourous as the seduction and poisoning of "pretty" elves and humans of a distant, foreign country.
Also the notion of really falling in love for the first time and being scared witless by it was too good not to write as well; it's hard when both characters are like it though, not going to lie. Of course that's my RP there- it's possible to play a duster who has fallen in love and believes in it, but for mine that's not the case.
They're good for each other, in their own way. If they go the distance and have their ever-after as I've read a few people write in their own version of epilogues, I don't know. Not all relationships are built to last, after all.
Sarah1281 wrote...
I think you can. He asks what you'll do with him once 'all this' is over which could mean both the Blight and his Crow problem (which he doesn't seem to think will last forever, just until Taliesin is dealt with). He responds with 'is there no one I might stay for' to the 'you could go if you wanted to' not 'I'm forcing you to leave.' At this point, you've proven, at the very least, willing to put up with him while he tries to evade the Crows. Why would he need to try and manipulate you when you just tell him you're not going to try to force him to stay? It seems so unnecessary.
According to the toolset, that conversation comes up once Zevran hits warm. When he's at warm, he will not betray you to the Crows.maradeux wrote...
Sarah1281 wrote...
I think you can. He asks what you'll do with him once 'all this' is over which could mean both the Blight and his Crow problem (which he doesn't seem to think will last forever, just until Taliesin is dealt with). He responds with 'is there no one I might stay for' to the 'you could go if you wanted to' not 'I'm forcing you to leave.' At this point, you've proven, at the very least, willing to put up with him while he tries to evade the Crows. Why would he need to try and manipulate you when you just tell him you're not going to try to force him to stay? It seems so unnecessary.
Hm... but this conservation is around 25-30 approval? If you would meet Taliesen with Zevran at this moment he would betray you. So I'm not sure if it would be wise to trust him so early in the game...
I think this is right at 26 approval (or whatever that magic number is). And I believe that's the threshold where Zevran won't betray you -- although I believe you have to say something specific in the confrontation with Taliesen to get him to stay and fight; he may leave the fight entirely.maradeux wrote...
Sarah1281 wrote...
I think you can. He asks what you'll do with him once 'all this' is over which could mean both the Blight and his Crow problem (which he doesn't seem to think will last forever, just until Taliesin is dealt with). He responds with 'is there no one I might stay for' to the 'you could go if you wanted to' not 'I'm forcing you to leave.' At this point, you've proven, at the very least, willing to put up with him while he tries to evade the Crows. Why would he need to try and manipulate you when you just tell him you're not going to try to force him to stay? It seems so unnecessary.
Hm... but this conservation is around 25-30 approval? If you would meet Taliesen with Zevran at this moment he would betray you. So I'm not sure if it would be wise to trust him so early in the game...
maradeux wrote...
@corker: It's interesting how you compare the different romances. and you really find Zevran thaws faster than Morrigan? But you can solve Morrigans quest much earlier in the game than Zevrans. So I find it's the other way round.
jenovan wrote...
(And really, being with the Warden exposes him more, wouldn't you think? XD Without the Warden, a la Darkspawn Chronicles, he manages to hide all right..)
I trust him only after the Taliesen encounter, not before...
Сообщение изменено: maradeux, 10 Август 2010 - 08:19 .
). I picked up Zevran and was kind of excited, but his accent annoyed me and I only got the most inane party barks at first, and he wasn't terribly useful with my tactics, so I tilted my head and said, "Barbie with knives. Cute. Go stay in camp." I had him out for some reason or other and the shatters started happening in combat, after which point he was completely indispensable (ended up being a serviceable secondary tank/his crit rate got so ridiculous I could reliably count on taking out a certain number of enemies in the first few seconds of combat). So I spent some time actually talking to him.Сообщение изменено: Tellervo, 10 Август 2010 - 08:22 .
If you choose the 'Zevran doesn't need the Crows anymore' option then the Toolset says he automatically sides with you. And his approval really doesn't need to be very high. He just has to think staying with you is better than going back to the Crows he tried to commit suicide by you to escape from and who, despite what Taliesin says, could still decide to torture him to death. It really doesn't take much to convince him.maradeux wrote...
jenovan wrote...
(And really, being with the Warden exposes him more, wouldn't you think? XD Without the Warden, a la Darkspawn Chronicles, he manages to hide all right..)
Maybe I'm too careful. This might still be the shock about the conservation after the "massage" - his cold-blooded face, his gestures, the words and the laughter really scared me.
edit: This might also answer Corker's question.
payroo wrote...
Ah hell, I thought of a prompt already.
CHALLENGE 3!
Prompt: Gold/silver bars.
This could be why he likes them, what he does with them or uses them for, or just Zevran sitting on a pile of bling. Let's set the time limit at 45 minutes.
Deadline: 5 pm Pacific US on Thursday. Judging will commence Friday.
Prize: Sketch of whatever you want~
Tellervo wrote...
His eventual, "Si, amore?" and "I am yours." responses really got to me as well.
Tellervo wrote...
He's got his problems, of course, but we do so love to razz on him, and the thread is supposed to be positive right now.
Sarah1281 wrote...
If you choose the 'Zevran doesn't need the Crows anymore' option then the Toolset says he automatically sides with you. And his approval really doesn't need to be very high. He just has to think staying with you is better than going back to the Crows he tried to commit suicide by you to escape from and who, despite what Taliesin says, could still decide to torture him to death. It really doesn't take much to convince him.
). And it's mostly because of his behaviour after the "first night".
maradeux wrote...
Back to topic... I unfortunately missed most of the "serious" discussions in the old thread. And - if you don't mind - I would be interested to know, what you (the current active writers in the thread) like about Zevran.
Tellervo wrote...
His eventual, "Si, amore?" and "I am yours." responses really got to me as well.
He's got his problems, of course, but we do so love to razz on him, and the thread is supposed to be positive right now
Korina1982 wrote...
Afterwards, I bought my own copy of the game for PC, in part because I'd discovered the Zev thread (it was probably around 1000 pages at this point) and saw all the talk about how the console versions have bugs with his romance (and lots of other things *shakes fist at Alistair thinking he's king when he's not*) and the PC version had mods to fix all that.
Korina1982 wrote...
Then I made another male DE (Keiran). This was the first playthrough I seriously roleplayed instead of achievement ****d, and I can thank the Zev thread for putting that idea in my head too. The game was so much more enjoyable with a Warden that actually had his own personality and motivations. And then I started writing fic for the first time in 10 years because of Keiran, so I guess the Zev thread is indirectly responsible for that as well?
One thing I like so much about this game is how many things are not what they appear to be on the surface, and Zevran is a prime example of that. When you recruit him for the first time, who would expect him to be your most loyal companion, and the only one who offers to stick around without being in a romance with you? Who would expect his romance to potentially end with a proposal?
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