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caridounette wrote...

Seeing how most of you guys are skilled writers ( yes yes, i insist to say), I was wondering if there have been something written about what happenned between Zev, Rinna and Talisen ? Thats always been a part of the story that got my curiosity. I'd go through the old thread but its a bit huge to go fishing.


If you're looking for fan-written versions of what happened between The Three, there are plenty. ;) Maybe we should compile a list or something for comparison.

My version is chapter 31 of a fic, but it won't spoil you for the rest of the story if you're just after Zevran/Rinna/Taliesen. There are fanfics out there that concentrate solely on them, however.

If you're after an official version, I think what Zevran tells you in the game is as much as you get...

Edit: Oh, and ANYONE who has not seen The Princess Bride should absolutely definitely do so. :)

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@maradeux's earlier question about Crow elves and tattoos - I just reloaded Awakening to have a look at the Crow assassin at Old Stark Farm. Definitely an elf, no facial tattoo.

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Crow assassins in Awakening annoy me (goes against DA lore on a few levels). Hah, you know, DAO sucked me into a whole new world. DAOA reminded me it was just a game. DA2 I have a feeling is going to put me closer to what DAOA did than DAO.



I am looking forward to the Morrigan DLC. Hmmmm, I've drifted off topic.



I've always seen Zevran's relationships before the Zevran, whether as friends or lovers, as very surface. His friendship with Taliesen, his love for Rinna -- all shallow and not real. Yet, without those, he could not have become the man he did. And once he cared for the warden, either as a lover or a friend, it just put a whole new meaning on those words for him.

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Feel so disconnected from the thread this week...ridiculous schedule.

@Tanithaeyrs - The Battle of Wits! I could hear Zevran in my head when you posted that!

@Maradeux - Do the crows in the fade (Circle Tower) have tattoos?

@ Tellervo - there was a post on the alistair fan page where someone had posted a pic of thier elf with body tattoos. They had been playing around with the toolset. If I come across it again I will let you know.
Yeah Zevran..Image IPB

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maradeux wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

 *cry* This has turned into a creative-person thread.  Which I am not! 


But of course you are! You created so important and wonderful mods and the Zevran FAQ for DA:O. see: 
Zevran Dialog Fix ++ City Elf Romance Alienage Fix ++ Zevran Romance FAQ

ejoslin wrote...anyway because it's what I do best.  That, and I'll toss the occasional dwarf kiss as well just because I like them :wub:


This thread is always what we ZevFans make of it. And I've always appreciated your posts very much. :happy: (with or without dwarf-kiss ;))


This!  I bought a PC because of mod envy, especially Zev mod envy!  and I'm a poor person!
hooray for Ejoslin:wizard:

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Hilde wrote...

@ Tellervo - there was a post on the alistair fan page where someone had posted a pic of thier elf with body tattoos. They had been playing around with the toolset. If I come across it again I will let you know.
Yeah Zevran..Image IPB


Oh please do!  That would be wonderful.  As it is it sounds like I'll be playing with retxtures somehow... not sure how to approach it.  And, uh, well, if I do it I'm not doing it halfway--I'll be doing Kaioku's version of Zev's tats, pending actually having the skills to pull it off/her permission.  I'm not going to learn some new aspect of the program/some other new program and put out some POS for my troubles.

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Tellervo wrote...

Hilde wrote...

@ Tellervo - there was a post on the alistair fan page where someone had posted a pic of thier elf with body tattoos. They had been playing around with the toolset. If I come across it again I will let you know.
Yeah Zevran..Image IPB


Oh please do!  That would be wonderful.  As it is it sounds like I'll be playing with retxtures somehow... not sure how to approach it.  And, uh, well, if I do it I'm not doing it halfway--I'll be doing Kaioku's version of Zev's tats, pending actually having the skills to pull it off/her permission.  I'm not going to learn some new aspect of the program/some other new program and put out some POS for my troubles.



Found it; Yukidama!

This is the page

Modifié par Hilde, 01 septembre 2010 - 12:56 .


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Thank you! Hopefully I'll get some answers and get around to this pretty quick.

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 thanks so much Shadow of Light
thats what i was looking for :)

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Just caught up on Rooster's comic - the latest page is priceless Zev.

Heres the link:
http://rooster82.dev...ge-61-177292010

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ejoslin wrote...

Hah, you know, DAO sucked me into a whole new world. DAOA reminded me it was just a game. DA2 I have a feeling is going to put me closer to what DAOA did than DAO.


Im pretty much on the same page as you are about Origin vs Awakening. The expension really made me realize i was attached far more deeply to the companions then i was to my own Wardens.  Id be happy to pay the price for some DLC that include some of them. ( i know voice actors costs alot ). If Witch Hunt goes well maybe they will keep them coming ? ( there are definitly some Crows who need their feathers ruffled ). Im certain companion DLCs attract more players then something like Golems of Amgarrok 

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Unfortunately, they've stated Witch Hunt is it. No more DA:O content. We're on our own now.

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caridounette - My pleasure. ;)



Corker - Forgot to say thanks for that succint explanation of TPB for those who have never heard of it!



Tell - I wonder if Mr Gaider would write Zevran lines if the rest of us created a mod for him...

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I really think DLC is a failed experiment, just as I feared. They fall bellow the radar of most gamers, leaving only devout fans to drop the coin. I wish they had done well rounded expansions, with marketing, that actually expand on Origins and include some companions rather than a bunch of cheap, shoddy DLC and one really random, 'how does this relate to origins?' expansion that wasn't even very long or very re-playable and was full off glitches and stuff left out. Pft.



I'd be willing to pay for Origins all over again if there was an expansion that took you to different lands on a new character driven quest based upon your warden's ending. In Antiva fighting the Crows with Zev, a visit to Orlais with Lel, The search for Morrigan with whomever remained at your side... etc.



And another Expansion could be for plays where you made your warden Tyrn/a or King/Queen, and revolve around Ferelden politics after a chrisis like the blight, complete with tough decisions about aiding Orzamar, the power of the Chantry and it's Templars, addressing foreign threats from lands who think the Blight may have left Ferrelden too weak, and too low on troops.



But I guess forcing out a new game ASAP was somehow more important than capitalizing on the success of Origins.

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Corker wrote...

@maradeux's earlier question about Crow elves and tattoos - I just reloaded Awakening to have a look at the Crow assassin at Old Stark Farm. Definitely an elf, no facial tattoo.


:-/ (perhaps he was not even a real crow. It would be irrational that the Crows would attack the Commander of the Grey Wardens. So maybe he was an impostor?)

Hilde wrote...

Feel so disconnected from the thread this week...ridiculous schedule.


Yes, the thread is very vivid this week - but it's a good thing. :) And *hugs* because of your stupid schedule.


Hilde wrote...

@Maradeux - Do the crows in the fade (Circle Tower) have tattoos?


Yes, they have tattoos, "Dalish" tattoos:

Image IPB



ejoslin wrote...

Crow assassins in Awakening annoy me (goes against DA lore on a few levels).



Exactly! "It's not wise to fight against this order." + Suicide attempt against two recruits + the promise that the Crows won't accept a new deal. And then such a stupid, cheap attack against the Commander of the Grey Wardens? *shakes her head in disbelief*

ejoslin wrote...

Hah, you know, DAO sucked me into a whole new world. DAOA reminded me it was just a game. DA2 I have a feeling is going to put me closer to what DAOA did than DAO.


Well said...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Tell - I wonder if Mr Gaider would write Zevran lines if the rest of us created a mod for him...


You let me dream... [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie]


EccentricSage wrote...

I wish they had done well rounded expansions, with marketing, that actually expand on Origins and include some companions rather than a bunch of cheap, shoddy DLC and one really random, 'how does this relate to origins?' expansion that wasn't even very long or very re-playable and was full off glitches and stuff left out. Pft.


So true...

Modifié par maradeux, 01 septembre 2010 - 06:43 .


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lol I wonder how much it would cost to get some voice acting for a mod, too. The DA:O, Lost Chronicles fund.

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Well...that depends on how many of the Origins characters you'd be using. Having a mod with mostly new NPCs and party members means you can use practically anyone for voices.



If you could find people who can do reasonable imitations of the established voices, however...

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:-/ (perhaps he was not even a real crow. It would be irrational that the Crows would attack the Commander of the Grey Wardens. So maybe he was an impostor?)


Or maybe we should steer clear of sweeping generalizations? Unless one of the powers from on high come in here and say "All elven Crows must be tattooed" I'd chalk it up to the fact there's no hard and fast rule regarding whether or not Crows tattoo themselves.

As to why the Crows would attack the Grey Warden Commander? I don't even have to think hard to come up with reasons (it's not a stretch by any means even though some reasons could be considered lore breaking because it goes against what Ignacio told you in Denerim.)

1. Ignacio lied. OMG, say it ain't true!
2. Ignacio died in the Darkspawn assault on Denerim. He never got a chance to tell the Crows how you co-operated and how they should leave you alone. Whoops.
3. The original contract on you was never cancelled so the Master who accepted it is still bound to take care of business.
4. You startled the Crows at Old Stark's Farm. Maybe the nobles weren't 100% forthcoming and they were there saying, "You know, we said we weren't going to bother the Grey Wardens anymore" and then boom, you show up and they're like "Fuuuuuu-" and they're pretty much damned just for being there.
5. Maybe the nobles paid them. A lot. In light of, say, a king's ransom to have another go at the Warden, it might be greed overrides sense.

And I'm sure I could come up with a few more, if pressed.

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I'm only being half serious, mind you. I don't have the skills needed to make a mod. But if a project got started, I'd make a donation, maybe could voice new random side-character NPC, stuff like that. But beyond that, just daydreaming.

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maradeux wrote...

Corker wrote...

@maradeux's earlier question about Crow elves and tattoos - I just reloaded Awakening to have a look at the Crow assassin at Old Stark Farm. Definitely an elf, no facial tattoo.


:-/ (perhaps he was not even a real crow. It would be irrational that the Crows would attack the Commander of the Grey Wardens. So maybe he was an impostor?)


Gasp!  You mean my Warden's godlike ability to see her opponents' names writ in the air above them may be faulty?  :blink: ;) 

For reference, he's labeled "Crow Assassin;"  the elven-ness and tattoolessness were established just by looking.  (It's too bad; he was a li'l cutie, too, sporting a dark version of the Alistair hairdo.  They really do apparently recruit for beauty. :P)

You know, speaking of Ignacio... neither he nor Cesar have visible facial tattoos, either. Given that Zevran never specifies, in that Leiliana dialogue, which tattoos are sacred to the Crows and which are ornaments, I'm thinking his facial tat is just for looks.

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I remember someone on the old thread presenting the idea that maybe he got such a visible tattoo simply because it would be something that is his that his masters can't take away. I love that idea. Especially since it's just a few simple lines exentuating his own features.



I don't remember if the person wrote any ficlets about it or not, though.

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But Zevran would have had to have lied as well, about no crows being willing to take the contract. Ignacio, an old time crow, scoffed at the very idea of taking a Gray Warden contract.

It's possible to come up with ideas of why the Crows would still be attacking, but it, to me, cheapened both what Zevran said about the contract and what Ignacio said (and yes, while he COULD be a liar and the invitation to join the crows only a farce and a setup, it really didn't come across that way in Origins).

I would have preferred the Crimson Ores or the White Falcons being the ones with the contract -- they ARE stupid enough, and it would explain their lack of skills.

Edit: And ES, I like that.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 01 septembre 2010 - 12:21 .


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As to why the Crows would attack the Grey Warden Commander? I don't even have to think hard to come up with reasons (it's not a stretch by any means even though some reasons could be considered lore breaking because it goes against what Ignacio told you in Denerim.)

1. Ignacio lied. OMG, say it ain't true!
2. Ignacio died in the Darkspawn assault on Denerim. He never got a chance to tell the Crows how you co-operated and how they should leave you alone. Whoops.
3. The original contract on you was never cancelled so the Master who accepted it is still bound to take care of business.
4. You startled the Crows at Old Stark's Farm. Maybe the nobles weren't 100% forthcoming and they were there saying, "You know, we said we weren't going to bother the Grey Wardens anymore" and then boom, you show up and they're like "Fuuuuuu-" and they're pretty much damned just for being there.
5. Maybe the nobles paid them. A lot. In light of, say, a king's ransom to have another go at the Warden, it might be greed overrides sense.

And I'm sure I could come up with a few more, if pressed.


Good points. 

Sresla wrote...

Unless one of the powers from on high come in here and say "All elven Crows must be tattooed" I'd chalk it up to the fact there's no hard and fast rule regarding whether or not Crows tattoo themselves.


Maybe. But... the tattoos in Zevran's face are the only we can see in the game and these are the ones Leliana asks about. Zevran says he can't tell her what they mean, because it's a Crow secret. I found that interesting and it became part of my story. I don't want to change my story, so I try to find logical reasons. For example:

- different cells of the crows could have different tattoo-traditions and different places for the tattoos
- there could really be a difference between human and elven Crows (I have my ideas about that)

Corker wrote...

You know, speaking of Ignacio... neither he nor Cesar have visible facial tattoos, either.


That's what I already mentioned. And that's why I asked my question ;)

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maradeux wrote...

Has anybody ever noticed that no other Crow in the game (except Zevran) has tattoos in their face? And all other crows in the game are humans (I forgot about the elven crows in the fade-nightmare here...) - what seems strange if the crows use to recruit their juniors on the slave market... What do you think does that mean? Are only the elven crows tattooed in their faces? Are elven crows usually not allowed to leave Antiva? Other ideas?


Corker wrote...

Gasp!  You mean my Warden's godlike ability to see her opponents' names writ in the air above them may be faulty?  :blink: ;) 


*shrug* :innocent:

ejoslin wrote...

But Zevran would have had to have lied as well, about no crows being willing to take the contract. Ignacio, an
old time crow, scoffed at the very idea of taking a Gray Warden contract.

It's possible to come up with ideas of why the Crows would still be attacking, but it, to me, cheapened both what Zevran saidabout the contract and what Ignacio said (and yes, while he COULD be a liar and the invitation to join the crows only a farce and a setup, it really didn't come across that way in Origins).


Thank you, Ejoslin! I was afraid, I'm alone with my thoughts...

Modifié par maradeux, 01 septembre 2010 - 12:30 .


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There's a dialogue with Alistair as well regarding the tattoos Zev has on his back. :)



Regarding the banter with Leliana, perhaps Zevran didn't want to be specific about which of his markings were special to the Crows?

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 01 septembre 2010 - 12:45 .


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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

There's a dialogue with Alistair as well regarding the tattoos Zev has on his back. :)


I like these two banters. :)

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Regarding the banter with Leliana, perhaps Zevran didn't want to be specific about which of his markings were special to the Crows?


Maybe. But these are all just theories, aren't they? So - at least I can have my own, too.  ;)