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[Tryynity]

Hmmm - I had a big problem with my Dalish Wedding triggering - so i know how you feel... you play all the way to get to the end and something isnt working.

Go back to a save b4 the ring if you can maybe... the gatekiss is triggered from the INLOVE status point - I really dont know much about this though - I am just guessing

IN THE SPIRIT OF THIS WEEKS PROMPT - CROSSOVER

ZEVRO - lol by Louvette 

Modifié par Tryynity, 20 novembre 2011 - 03:23 .

[tklivory]

*sneaks in and drops off a link to her newest fairy tale...

Once Upon a Time: Leliana V2 - Warning: there be innuendon'ts ahead!

quickly sneaks out before anyone realizes she just posted a non-Zevran story in the Zevran thread*

[tklivory]

Tryynity wrote...

IN THE SPIRIT OF THIS WEEKS PROMPT - CROSSOVER

ZEVRO - lol by Louvette 

I love it!  Heh heh, what have I done?

And the Gatekisses mod is a necessity, it is true.

[Sushifer]

Hullo Bloodsong! Zevran anonymous, psh, I'm sure only about half of us are in need of rehabilitation... well, maybe two-thirds, at a stretch...

A question for the Zev thread at large: how long do you guys think Crow training would last? I ask mostly because I seem to be writing more and more stuff with kid Zevran and it's something that I'm going to have to consider eventually. Both pieces I've written have him around fourteen, and still training- but I feel he'd probably be more a less a full crow a year or two or three after that. What seems realistic?

[BloodsongVengeance]

well, to clarify.... i LOVE zevran, as a character. in fact, he's just like my characters, he has SO many issues and it's SO hard to get close to him. in fact, my friend i have RPd with for many years was laughing at me while zevran was driving me totally nuts. because... all my characters drive his totally bonkers.

but, if i ever met him in person... as a person... i'd have to kill him :X


okay wait! if we're all gonna post old piccies for the crossover thing, i have a crazy one... somewhere... ummm...
::trying to figure out why the dip my confounded blog is showing me 'the mission' post when i type 'pony' in the search box...::

okay, try this...
http://bloodsong13t...."blog near you"

you can't top 'the little pony adventures' :X zevran sooooo looks like he wants to lick bannon's nose.



heyas sush!

in my MUC (made up crap)... i have it so that the kids are stuffed in the warehouse and living competetively there, and being taught basic stuff (like reading and writing, math), but aren't actually officially trained in fighting and killing. just what natural instincts come out. i have it so zevran comes to the attention of the masters at about 15, which is when he's brought up to the main hq to see if he passes the test to become an actual apprentice. after that, they start the assassin training. (considering, again just in my version, that passing the test includes being broken, that's really the only time its safe to be teaching them this more deadly stuff.) in my version, he trains and tags along on missions for 2 years, and has his first solo at 17.

if you have him doing the assassin training younger... yes, 2-3 years would still sound about right i think. but keep in mind there's apprentices who are in learning, and then probably a further hierarchy (i would think) where there are 'junior crows' who are not fully vetted for doing solo missions. they could be in that status for another couple years.

they DO have to prove they are more than just 'pretty competent.' keep in mind that failing a mission means they die. if they're a junior crow doing a side-part on a senior crow's main mission, and they screw up, that's not so dire. the main objective could still be completed. if you send a 14-15 year old kid out to off some wily merchant prince with a lot of bodyguards, you're just asking for problems and lots of failures.



oh oh oh! i had a question for some of the artists on the thread at large... do you guys have a poser zevran? and what's he made from? i was working on one, but i'm using michael 1 because that's the one i have the most head morphs for. and the most skins.

[Klidi]

Hm... in my headcanon, Crows apprentices are trained to fight since day one - and not only enemies. There are never enough blankets, beds, shoes, food things like that - if they want it, they have to learn to cheat, steal, lie, fight, rely only on themselves, learn that there are no friends. If they do, they survive. If they don't, they are too weak during the training and are punished - so they don't last long.

But the first time they really kill someone, during the training is when they are approx 12 - 13 years old, and that's when their training in sex starts as well. For my Zevran it happened when he was 13.

Their training lasts till they are approx 17 - 18 years old, depends on their individual skills, but they work first under supervision of more experienced Crows and it takes approx. another year till they receive first solo mission.

I had to make it up for a story where Zev has nightmares - Cast Your Burden On Me Tonight

[Corker]

I wrote Building the House of Crows a while ago, and rereading it, I think I still agree with most of it. I'd assume it works most guilds and the page/squire/knight training system, and you'd 'graduate' in your late adolescence or early adulthood.

I have to agree with Klidi, though - although I doubt there was formal training in fighting at a young age, I'm sure *informal* fighting was the norm, and probably encouraged, as part of the conditioning process I don't discuss in that essay.

[MageTarot]

Greetings. all!

I just have a quick question. My male Warden romanced Zevran and got the maximum romance rating, but at the end of Origins when you get the descriptions of what happened to your companions after the Archdemon was defeated, it refers to my Warden as "she" when talking about his romance with Zevran.

Is that a known issue or is there something I should have done on my end during the playthrough? As this thread is over 200 pages I wasn't sure if this had been asked before. Any info you can offer would be really appreciated. Thank you!

[Corker]

ejoslin's ZDF Dialog Fix mentions that it fixes an epilogue slide:

Zevran's in love slide, if leaving Denerim, should now trigger properly for male wardens.

I don't know what it was or wasn't doing before, or if that's the glitch you had. From what ejoslin's said in the past, the end slideshow is waaay bugged in the vanilla game, so it's almost certainly nothing you did. She's really the person to answer your question, so hopefully she'll poke her head in here.

[MageTarot]

Corker wrote...

ejoslin's ZDF Dialog Fix mentions that it fixes an epilogue slide:

Zevran's in love slide, if leaving Denerim, should now trigger properly for male wardens.

I don't know what it was or wasn't doing before, or if that's the glitch you had. From what ejoslin's said in the past, the end slideshow is waaay bugged in the vanilla game, so it's almost certainly nothing you did. She's really the person to answer your question, so hopefully she'll poke her head in here.

Awesome! Thank you so much for the quick response, Corker! 

[Klidi]

When I was writing that story, I made a bit of research about children abused as soldiers. I think Crows would be almost as bad - in some things perhaps less cruel, but only because of efficiency sake, not because they care for children.

While little Crows are not trained immediately as assassins, they are trained as rogues. Both Zev and Leliana say that it takes years of practice to learn basics. This training would start as soon as they are purchased, together with a lot of exercises to build up strength, stamina and pain endurance. When they are 12 - 13 the second phase of their training starts. They are assigned to a Master who trains them as he wants/needs, also according to their individual skills. This phase lasts approx 5 years. The training ends when they are about 17 - 18 and it is then when they are sorted into teams, based on their skills.I say 'team', because I think 'cell' is something more.

Hierarchy, as I see it is like this
'House' are noble houses. At their head is a noble who 'inherited' one or more cells Crows, and he gives them contracts that are in his interest. But the noble is not a Crow, nor has direct power over the Crows.
Cells are governed by Senior Masters, higly experienced assassins, such as Ignacio. They ofthen govern all Crows of a city/country other than Antiva, i.e. Ignacio is responsible for all Crows in Ferelden.
Cells consist of several team, with the Master at  the head of each. Teams include assassins, but also healers, herbalists, mages... Members of the team can work individually or in small units (like Zev, Taliesen and Rinna).

Within the cells and teams there is high competition. Everyone tries to get the better and more difficult missions, in order to make their name and get promoted. Crows can be promoted to the Master level after several years of successful high-ranked missions, usually around 25 years. My Zev, for example, needed one more successful mission before he would be considered for promotion (but if it was assassination of the GW, he would be promoted for sure).

To become the Senior Master is much more difficult and takes more time, because that requires also skills in politics and diplomacy. Normally it is around 40. Each Senior Master works mostly for himself, trying to get as much influence as possible, especially those in Antiva. When the Guild Master dies, the one with the highest influence and power becomes the new one. The position of the Guild Master is very difficult - he coordinates cooperation of different cells, sorts the conflicts between the Houses, sets the strategy of the Guild in the next period (e.g. that some House will not be supported any more), and is responsible for finance.

But teams and cells can cooperate if necessary, and the Master can assign a mission to an assassin from another team - of course, the assassin's Master has to approve it. This is normally done only for exceptionally difficult missions... or when they want to get rid of an assassin who could soon endanger their own position of a Master.

The costs for purchasing and raising a Crow are not very high. The assassins are not paid for the missions they do, they only get some pocket money plus wine, women etc. But they don't get money untill they are promoted to the Masters. And as there are always enough slaves and orphans, the lives of an assassin doesn't mean that much and the Crows don't have a problem to get rid of him, if he causes problems.

Uh... I think I'll stop here. Sorry for the long rant.

Going back to my Harry Potter crossover now.

[Tryynity]

In my head Crow Training never actually finishes - to be a Cell Master you have to challenge the current one and survive.

This means the current top dog has to watch out for the up and comings. A Cell Master becomes responsible for his own training re: skills - the better he is the more likely he will survive.

I havent decided yet how a Guildmaster is removed  - probably by assassination by one of his cell masters deciding he would like to be King now, or dies of natural causes.

My theory is based on survival of the fittest - and animal community structure. eg a pride of lions - younger male lion will challenge the leadership and if he wins he becomes the leader. This best ensures the survival of the pride.

I guess another system would be like the Mafia and how they operate - Im not really sure to be truthful - but the DON would be equivalent to a Guildmaster.... which means he would choose the men to have closest to him which falls into the promotion category.

That doesnt sit right with me though at least on Cell Master level - perhaps a Guildmaster might choose his entourage - best Crows to follow him around - so its possible for a Cell Master to be promoted to that level after years of loyal service and that would open up a Cell Master position - and only maybe then would the Cell Master promote someone to hold his position.

Either way would probably work for me.

In Antiva - the only nobles other than blood nobles (kings & queens) are Crows that have done extremely well for themselves - as a Crow and politically.  This ensures intelligent as well as brutal Crows advance.

Zev acts the fool and needed time but I believe him to be a highly intelligent individual - moreso that Taliesen and the others around him. He just needed a little more time to mature.  Had things gone differently with his reaction to Rinna - I think that experience would have matured him.  He stills gets the chance to mature thanks to the Grey Warden giving him a chance, the added benefit is now he is under the influence of another type of leadership - that I believe would help him to flourish as an individual - moreso than had he remained within the Crow enviroment.

It is explained that there is no real army in Antiva - the crows are its only force - but they are formidable enough to keep surrounding countries away.  So that fuels my belief that Antiva society is infiltrated by many Senior and above Crows - almost like a secret society also.  You never REALLY know if you are talking to one.

Modifié par Tryynity, 20 novembre 2011 - 07:57 .

[Hilde]

tklivory wrote...



Once Upon a Crossover

Ever wanted Zevran to run amok in Rivendell?  Get hired by Voldemort to assassinate that pesky Harry Potter?  Meet a strange kid with a red and white globe who's Gotta Catch 'Em All?  Team up with the smexy hot Ezio Auditore in a dual assassination extraordinaire?  Make passionate love with Spock during the ravages of pon farr?  Wonder exactly how does one make sweet, sweet love to that red-haired mermaid with the beautiful voice?  If so, you are sick and twisted welcome to this week's prompt!

Yes, 'tis the bane of any FF writer's existence, the Crossover!  This can be Zevran alone, with the Warden, or the entire group.  Don't worry about setting up *how* the worlds collide, just go crazy - the more outrageous the better!

Mirror Mirror

Time: 1 hour
Prompts: 3



Zevran as Evil Spock in one of my favorite episodes. I attempted a full body, phaser shooting pic gold sash included, but failed so here is an Evil Zevran in Space!! I am not all that skilled at coloring so I keep things fairly b/w.

Modifié par Hilde, 20 novembre 2011 - 09:31 .

[Tryynity]

I think I am the only person in this thread that cannot draw

Modifié par Tryynity, 20 novembre 2011 - 10:24 .

[Klidi]

No you're definitely not. Shall I post some of my attempts at Zev and Air picture? I'm sure I'd win the prize... for most horrible drawing.

[Tryynity]

@ Klidi Mkay ... feel much betterer now

Im ok with DAZ (digital posing) thats kinda awesome fun -

@ Bloodsong - I found models but not close enough to Zevran for my liking but i can do some other hot elves.  I forget the combination I worked out - I think it starts with Micheal yes and then you add some elf package.  If I get time tomorrow Ill find it again.  It was on POSER's site.   Hair is going to be another problem  I think you have to do hair in Photoshop or something - not real sure.

- I do need to design my bad boy DROW - Mavrosh has some of the best Ive seen so far.

@ TK - ive been recording all night and still not happy bahahaha - Ill try again in the morning   I decided harmonise the choruses of the one you did and add some back up breathing ahahaha you will see what I mean if you ever get it  *giggles*

I am having fun though playing "Recording Star Hero" my kids have come in several times - saying "what are you doing mum?" ahaha - they should be used to their crazy mum !

Modifié par Tryynity, 21 novembre 2011 - 10:48 .

[tklivory]

Tryynity wrote...

@ TK - ive been recording all night and still not happy bahahaha - Ill try again in the morning   I decided harmonise the choruses of the one you did and add some back up breathing ahahaha you will see what I mean if you ever get it  *giggles*

I am having fun though playing "Recording Star Hero" my kids have come in several times - saying "what are you doing mum?" ahaha - they should be used to their crazy mum !

*takes shameless advantage of the segue to engage in shameless self-promotion*

*sneaks in and drops off link to non-Zevran item

The Minstrels of Thedas (yay, new member, Tryynity!) is ecstatic to announce their first publicly released song!  Please check out the link to download our first song Dance with Me (yes it's Morrigan's song, hush!)

The lyrics are by our own indomitable Corker, music and performance by yours truly.  Please take a listen and enjoy!

sneaks out before anyone realizes she posted a non-Zevran link in the Zevran thread*


Also -

@ Tryynity - yeah, my cats always get sooo interested when I start recording.

[Sialater]

Tryynity wrote...

I think I am the only person in this thread that cannot draw

No, you're not.

[Tryynity]

We should do an anti-drawing Zev Prompt and see who truly is the worst

@ TK  isok its Morrigan's song so long as she was singing it to Zevran
 

Modifié par Tryynity, 22 novembre 2011 - 12:05 .

[tklivory]

Tryynity wrote...

We should do an anti-drawing Zev Prompt and see who truly is the worst

Hee hee... I would love to see that, actually.

@ TK  isok its Morrigan's song so long as she was singing it to Zevran
 

  

*channels Sten*

No.

[tklivory]

This is what I get for wandering around on Youtube. 

This is for you, Corker... in honor of your non-entry for this week's prompt.

Complete with outtakes...  Not long, but priceless...

Modifié par tklivory, 22 novembre 2011 - 06:05 .

[Corker]

Hilde wrote...





Zevran as Evil Spock in one of my favorite episodes. I attempted a full body, phaser shooting pic gold sash included, but failed so here is an Evil Zevran in Space!! I am not all that skilled at coloring so I keep things fairly b/w.

I love it!  XD  Goatees FTW!

There was a "Mirror, Mirror" kmeme prompt posted recently for DA2-Merrill, and all I could think was that the default Dalish armor was a pretty close match for Uhura's mirrorverse outfit. 

[Sushifer]

Ooh, interesting ideas regarding the Crows! Thanks for the detailed responses, guys, you've really got me thinking. Kildi, especially, I'd never though of it before, but having members be unpaid until they reach higher positions so completely makes sense and explains the expendability and general poor treatment of grunt level crows.

@Hilde Love that Spockran! Or should it be Zock? XD

@tklivory & Corker I can't get over how lovely tk's voice is! Excellent work, both of you. Are you planning to do any more songs together?

[Corker]

Sushifer wrote...
@tklivory & Corker I can't get over how lovely tk's voice is! Excellent work, both of you. Are you planning to do any more songs together?

Yes!  Leliana's song ("Who Am I?") will probably be ready next, because like "Come and Dance with Me," the words were already done, so tklivory could start on the music immediately.  While she's been composing/playing/singing/recording, I've been writing, so there's draft lyrics for Alistair and Zevran in the pipeline.

[Aroihkin]

Guys, why do I torture myself like this? Some more skin work:



I am seriously busting my balls on this one. It's why I'm taking such long breaks in between working on it. Trying to go all-out as much as I can stand to, in part because that's what causes growth.

There's a lot there that hasn't even been touched yet, besides the ultra-obvious nightmare that's going to be their hair.

Oh god, their hair. All three pale color, and underlit. Shoot me now.

Hopefully the dramatic lighting will be more help than hindrance. I have a couple ideas. Still daunting as ****, though.