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[Sarah1281]

Oh... and I came across a fanfic based on that ending card... in which Zevran sneaks off to deal with the crows himself, leaving you only a letter, because he believes they intend to cause trouble for people his warden cares about in order to get to him. So he brings the fight to Antiva while the warden is preoccupied. I think that's a really excellent explanation.

I saw a fanfic where a Cousland was with Zevran, too, and then he left to go deal with the Crows...so she hooked up with Nate.

[EccentricSage]

Eudaemonium wrote...

LOL. I was so disappointed with Feast Day (seriously, who wasn't?), but it's come in handy a couple of times, so I almost forgive myself for purchasing it. I've bought all the DLC, but this one promises a bit of replayability simply due to being able to import my characters. I loved Leliana's Song, but there's very little point in playing it more than once.
I have to admit I was kinda diappointed that Zev wasn't in Awakening (I really think he'd have made more *sense* than Oghren as the returning character). But then I suppose you'd have had the Leli/Morri/Alimancers up in arms about it. Also a fair few people killed him. It was somewhat immersion-breaking though. I guess if you have Warden Alistair you can pretend he's off at Weisshaupt being inquisitioned as to why you're both still alive.

I agree!  I like Ohgren well enough, but it makes no sence if you made him a happy family man at the end of Origins for him to be running off with the Wardens!  And when was Oghren even popular?  I know Zev's not most popular, but his and Leliana's endings in Origin would sync up with the situation in Awakening best.  Neither of them had anywhere they had to be, having been on the run from their former comrades.  And really, it seems like a lot of the people who don't like Zev at first, or who kill him because they thought it didn't make sence to trust the assassin, do actually come around and think he's a decent character once they do play with him.  The anti-Zev hate has really fizzled out.  At the same time, characters who were well liked emediately after the release of the game now have numerous haters since people have spent more time with the characters.  It's a shame that the initial reaction of fans seems to be the only reaction Bioware payed atention to.

[Sarah1281]

I liked Oghren just fine in Origins. Then Awakening came...

[Tellervo]

EccentricSage wrote...

Oh... and I came across a fanfic based on that ending card... in which Zevran sneaks off to deal with the crows himself, leaving you only a letter, because he believes they intend to cause trouble for people his warden cares about in order to get to him. So he brings the fight to Antiva while the warden is preoccupied. I think that's a really excellent explanation.

Oh, link?  I want to see how other people are handling it.

[EccentricSage]

Tellervo wrote...

EccentricSage wrote...

Oh... and I came across a fanfic based on that ending card... in which Zevran sneaks off to deal with the crows himself, leaving you only a letter, because he believes they intend to cause trouble for people his warden cares about in order to get to him. So he brings the fight to Antiva while the warden is preoccupied. I think that's a really excellent explanation.

Oh, link?  I want to see how other people are handling it.

OK... I'm just going to add every Awakenings fic that involves Zevran here as I find them.  I'm having trouble finding the one i reffered to, though, so... check back for edits. 

http://www.fanfictio..._Lie_Like_Bones

http://www.fanfictio.../1/Dutys_Burden

http://www.fanfictio..._the_Black_City

Modifié par EccentricSage, 02 septembre 2010 - 01:54 .

[Tellervo]

If it's going to be a major pain, hunting this stuff down, don't stress yourself. I can go search on ff.net myself. However, the effort is appreciated, especially since every time I forget to use ff.net's ad block the site gives my computer an STD.

[EccentricSage]

Tellervo wrote...

If it's going to be a major pain, hunting this stuff down, don't stress yourself. I can go search on ff.net myself. However, the effort is appreciated, especially since every time I forget to use ff.net's ad block the site gives my computer an STD.

uh oh... adware, cookies, or worse?  I have McAfee, but yeah...

Anyhow, I'll go ahead and skim through stuff.  It will make for a nice quick referance here.

[Tellervo]

It's a driveby download in a .PDF on one of their page redirects.  I have stupid paranoid protections, but its first action is to shut off any active registry/virus protection.

Modifié par Tellervo, 02 septembre 2010 - 01:59 .

[TanithAeyrs]

McAfee is mostly useless for the viruses/malware on FF.net.  I finally switched to Malwarebyte's Anti-Malware software and I haven't had any problems since.
On the subject of Zev taking over the Crows: what if he takes over because he has to (plot reason in a fanfic)?

I have trouble seeing Zev happy in any situation where he ends up taking over the Crows, whether out of heartbreak or necessity.  I don't see him being able to change the Crows methods much and still being able to maintain them as an effective force.  Thus, going to Anitva to clean up loose ends does seem a more logical action for him (and still fits with the Awakening letter).  I have read a couple of fics where he left with the Warden and they took over the Crows together - they were enjoyable reading, but I'm not sure that I could see Zev wanting to do that without a need for it.

[EccentricSage]

Tellervo wrote...

It's a driveby download in a .PDF on one of their page redirects.  I have stupid paranoid protections, but its first action is to shut off any active registry/virus protection.

What does it do to my computer if I get it?    I'm not good with tech lingo.

[wildannie]

EccentricSage wrote...

I really wish there was a DLC for it, but they would have somehow made the whole thing take place in Ferelden and it would have been just awful anyhow.

Oh... and I came across a fanfic based on that ending card... in which Zevran sneaks off to deal with the crows himself, leaving you only a letter, because he believes they intend to cause trouble for people his warden cares about in order to get to him. So he brings the fight to Antiva while the warden is preoccupied. I think that's a really excellent explanation.

Though I still hate the idea of the warden and him being parted in such a manner. It would not sit right with most of my wardens. My Dalish would tell the Wardens from Orlais that unless it's a Blight they can deal with the problem them damn selves. Then he'd leave for Antiva right on Zevran's heels.

That is the best explanation for Zev being off alone in Antiva, but similarly, my wardens would have been having none of that and would have chased him as soon as they knew what he was up to. 

 I don't really have any characters that are very dutiful to the Grey Wardens.  I try and RP them but they always seem to end up a little bit resentful... If I could complete a cousland playthrough it might be different,  I've tried a female cousland a couple of times but her silly voice (sounds like a bad imitation of QE II) drives me nuts, as does the whole idea of nobility.

(I'm a little fearful we'll be getting a computer game hobbled to play more like a console game. DO NOT WANT.)

I'm still hopeful that DA2 will be good, if so what I fear is that BW will do the same again with the DLC.

Modifié par wildannie, 02 septembre 2010 - 08:08 .

[ejoslin]

TanithAeyrs wrote...

McAfee is mostly useless for the viruses/malware on FF.net.  I finally switched to Malwarebyte's Anti-Malware software and I haven't had any problems since.
On the subject of Zev taking over the Crows: what if he takes over because he has to (plot reason in a fanfic)?

I have trouble seeing Zev happy in any situation where he ends up taking over the Crows, whether out of heartbreak or necessity.  I don't see him being able to change the Crows methods much and still being able to maintain them as an effective force.  Thus, going to Anitva to clean up loose ends does seem a more logical action for him (and still fits with the Awakening letter).  I have read a couple of fics where he left with the Warden and they took over the Crows together - they were enjoyable reading, but I'm not sure that I could see Zev wanting to do that without a need for it.

Zevran does have a need to do it, though.  He had to kill the master assassins in order to survive, and if he's not the leader, he will forever live on the run.  In the US slides, the Crows come after him again.  In Awakening, the Crows are no longer afraid of the Warden for whatever reason, so just being with the warden would not be protection enough either.  Furthermore, it would be the only way he could protect the warden from them, and as lover or friend, he would do it for them.

I also don't think he could change them.  The system works.  

See, this is why I think we may see Zevran, at least mention of him, in later games.  It seems if he lives and romanced (or a friend of a US warden) he's leader of the Crows.  Killing off a character doesn't always keep them out of future games (ask anyone who's killed Oghren).  I don't think he'll ever be a companion again, and I have doubts that he'd even have a cameo, but a mention would not surprise me (he'd be a powerful ally for King Alistair, for instance).  You have two male companions set up as leaders of two countries -- it would be surprising if this wasn't acknowledged in some way.

It's more likely that the whole "ruling the crows" will be ignored as discarded in later games though.  The "bros" who seem to be the new audience that BW is catering to don't like him! 

[Corker]

Lore? HUH! What is it good for?

Your thoughts, oh savants of the ZevThread...

Zevran: So what is it, exactly, that the sisters of the Chantry do for amusement?
Leliana: Do they not have sisters in Antiva, Zevran?
Zevran; Naturally. Yet we are... hesitant to speak to the sisters back home. They are "atiya nagrano"... how do you say it? Pure. Not to be spoiled.
Leliana: And you would spoil them just by speaking to them?
Zevran: You really have no idea, do you?

What's up with the Antivan sisters?  Are they cloistered like Carmelite nuns?  Are outsiders in general discouraged (or forbidden?) to speak with them; are they forbidden to speak to outsiders; or is this just Zevran doing his "I'm too sexy" schtick? 

Google knows nothing of "atiya nagrano;" it appears to be an Antivan expression not lifted from a RL language. 

[Minaleth]

Corker wrote...
 just Zevran doing his "I'm too sexy" schtick?  

This. I guess.

[wildannie]

ejoslin wrote...

See, this is why I think we may see Zevran, at least mention of him, in later games.  It seems if he lives and romanced (or a friend of a US warden) he's leader of the Crows.  Killing off a character doesn't always keep them out of future games (ask anyone who's killed Oghren).  I don't think he'll ever be a companion again, and I have doubts that he'd even have a cameo, but a mention would not surprise me (he'd be a powerful ally for King Alistair, for instance).  You have two male companions set up as leaders of two countries -- it would be surprising if this wasn't acknowledged in some way.

It's more likely that the whole "ruling the crows" will be ignored as discarded in later games though.  The "bros" who seem to be the new audience that BW is catering to don't like him! 

I was thinking about the whole returning characters who could be dead thing today...  In mass effect 3, as far as i understand it, their will be the return one of two characters (the other being dead depending upon choices).
 Therefore (if this is the case)  there is no reason why characters that could have been killed in DAO won't return in future.  
Killing Zevran, or leaving Sten or Leliana to their fate is a choice whereas in Mass Effect there is no choice - one or other of them dies.

Where such a system would work best would be with Zevran or Leliana becoming interchangeable.  The Default being Leliana as we never actually witness her death.

I don't think that BW would discard Zevran just because some don't like him, it is their aim to cater for the widest audience possible so they're still going to want a character that will appeal to people who like Zevran.  I think that if Zevran doesn't get any future mention it will be for story reasons.

In a recent poll about player demographics (earlier in the thread) those who liked to romance Zev were about 7% with Leliana and Morrigan being only slightly more popular.  Alistair was the run away favourite.
Although these polls are hardly scientific, I believe that they are probably fairly representative of the general popularity of the characters overall, if so 7% of however many people enjoyed DAO is alot of sales.

ramble over 

Modifié par wildannie, 02 septembre 2010 - 04:26 .

[jenovan]

wildannie wrote...

I was thinking about the whole returning characters who could be dead thing today...  In mass effect 3, as far as i understand it, their will be the return one of two characters (the other being dead depending upon choices).
 Therefore (if this is the case)  there is no reason why characters that could have been killed in DAO won't return in future.  
Killing Zevran, or leaving Sten or Leliana to their fate is a choice whereas in Mass Effect there is no choice - one or other of them dies.

Where such a system would work best would be with Zevran or Leliana becoming interchangeable.  The Default being Leliana as we never actually witness her death.

Don't forget that you can actually kill Leliana (and Wynne, who can appear in Awakenings) when they disagree with you and fight you over it.   You can execute Alistair or Loghain, but they both can appear in Awakenings.   Shale's, Morrigan's and Sten's absences make sense with their stories at the end of DA:O, but Zevran, Leli and Dog... mysteriously missing.  Of course reasons are provided for their absence (except Dog), but since Awakenings is 6 months after DA:O, couldn't they have taken care of that stuff before Awakenings and returned to help you out/cheer you on/stand decoratively in your Throne Room?

(Seriously, what's with the lack of Dog?!  They didn't need to bring in the VA for that! 

Modifié par jenovan, 02 septembre 2010 - 04:54 .

[Kornichon]

Corker wrote...


Lore? HUH! What is it good for?

Your thoughts, oh savants of the ZevThread...

Zevran: So what is it, exactly, that the sisters of the Chantry do for amusement?
Leliana: Do they not have sisters in Antiva, Zevran?
Zevran; Naturally. Yet we are... hesitant to speak to the sisters back home. They are "atiya nagrano"... how do you say it? Pure. Not to be spoiled.
Leliana: And you would spoil them just by speaking to them?
Zevran: You really have no idea, do you?

What's up with the Antivan sisters?  Are they cloistered like Carmelite nuns?  Are outsiders in general discouraged (or forbidden?) to speak with them; are they forbidden to speak to outsiders; or is this just Zevran doing his "I'm too sexy" schtick? 

Google knows nothing of "atiya nagrano;" it appears to be an Antivan expression not lifted from a RL language. 

maybe like in mediterranean countries?
you can be an horrible scum, but if you d'ont respect the religion, you are really less than nothing.


and a bit off-talks but it made me laugh so much
from http://strunza.deviantart.com/

[Sarah1281]

Corker wrote...


Lore? HUH! What is it good for?

Your thoughts, oh savants of the ZevThread...

Zevran: So what is it, exactly, that the sisters of the Chantry do for amusement?
Leliana: Do they not have sisters in Antiva, Zevran?
Zevran; Naturally. Yet we are... hesitant to speak to the sisters back home. They are "atiya nagrano"... how do you say it? Pure. Not to be spoiled.
Leliana: And you would spoil them just by speaking to them?
Zevran: You really have no idea, do you?

What's up with the Antivan sisters?  Are they cloistered like Carmelite nuns?  Are outsiders in general discouraged (or forbidden?) to speak with them; are they forbidden to speak to outsiders; or is this just Zevran doing his "I'm too sexy" schtick? 

Google knows nothing of "atiya nagrano;" it appears to be an Antivan expression not lifted from a RL language. 

Maybe they just aren't supposed to talk to the Crows. They are assassins, after all.

[wildannie]

jenovan wrote...

wildannie wrote...

I was thinking about the whole returning characters who could be dead thing today...  In mass effect 3, as far as i understand it, their will be the return one of two characters (the other being dead depending upon choices).
 Therefore (if this is the case)  there is no reason why characters that could have been killed in DAO won't return in future.  
Killing Zevran, or leaving Sten or Leliana to their fate is a choice whereas in Mass Effect there is no choice - one or other of them dies.

Where such a system would work best would be with Zevran or Leliana becoming interchangeable.  The Default being Leliana as we never actually witness her death.

Don't forget that you can actually kill Leliana (and Wynne, who can appear in Awakenings) when they disagree with you and fight you over it.   You can execute Alistair or Loghain, but they both can appear in Awakenings.   Shale's, Morrigan's and Sten's absences make sense with their stories at the end of DA:O, but Zevran, Leli and Dog... mysteriously missing.  Of course reasons are provided for their absence (except Dog), but since Awakenings is 6 months after DA:O, couldn't they have taken care of that stuff before Awakenings and returned to help you out/cheer you on/stand decoratively in your Throne Room?

(Seriously, what's with the lack of Dog?!  They didn't need to bring in the VA for that! 

Good point, I had forgotten about Leliana (don't use her much, just a 'treasured friend' at camp:blush:) so no default survivor then .  I still think they could be interchangable as they are the two companions whose presence makes the most sense IMO.  Not having the Dog in awakening is just weird... in general I'm pretty flummoxed by the choices that must have been taken by BW when planning the direction of Awakening... the whole things weird to me.  Maybe it's all part of some grand plan... but I very much doubt it.  

[caridounette]

 what do you guys think Zev would have stood for? saving the city or saving the Keep?

As for not being there to help the Warden in Awakening, it really breaks the continuity of most of my Warden stories so ill wait to see how DA2 goes about importing your DA background but i might simply use my DAO saves insteead of awakening's ones (well see about WH when it gets out).

As for Zevran not helping out the Warden in Virgil Keep  and doing something to protect his own happiness ( and the life of the Warden) i dont see it as such a bad thing. I remember how he has a hard time choosing to be be free or to remain to fignt the Archdemon ( 'those things were always chosen by others'). It's so much easier for him to pledge his life away then to commit to his feelings. My Warden would certainly keep her Zevran away from the Grey Wardens, knowing how easily they would sacrifice anyone for a few darkspawn heads ( my Warden knows that pretty well, she did do the same). Its one of the reasons i did not enjoy Awakening so much... forcing ppl into the Grey Warden, no thanks.

[Sarah1281]

In Awakening, the only one who HAS to do the Joining is Mhairi and she's a volunteer. Or are you talking about forcing the Warden to stay on at Amaranthine? I didn't like that part very much either.

[jenovan]

caridounette wrote...

 what do you guys think Zev would have stood for? saving the city or saving the Keep?

Good question.  I think you could probably argue for him going either way...

If he were to examine the politics involved (which some players believe he would be apt at doing), he might urge the Warden to save the city (since abandoning it leads to all kinds of awful rumors/uprisings/so forth).  On a purely personal level, I imagine he might also vote to save the city, since there are more defenseless people there than at the Vigil.  But I think there are arguments to be made for both choices

[Sresla]

jenovan wrote...

(Seriously, what's with the lack of Dog?!  They didn't need to bring in the VA for that! 

They were saving him for Witch Hunt. Because, you know, your Dog has a vested interest in whether or not you did the Dark Ritual (obviously)...

[jenovan]

Sresla wrote...

jenovan wrote...

(Seriously, what's with the lack of Dog?!  They didn't need to bring in the VA for that! 

They were saving him for Witch Hunt. Because, you know, your Dog has a vested interest in whether or not you did the Dark Ritual (obviously)...

I'm sure Morrigan would be thrilled to see him.  and aww I'm sure he'll love Alessiga

[Hilde]

One hour until the official end of this weeks prompt. Hey! That's enough time to create one if you have not yet!

Edit:

Ooh. Killed the thread with that...sorry.

Anywho, the time has come. I will get results out later tonight as I must head out of town Friday.

Yeah Zevran

Modifié par Hilde, 02 septembre 2010 - 10:59 .