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Aroihkin

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Oh come on, don't kid yourself. We all view him as nothing more than a sex object. :lol: True story.

Edit: Oh snap, TOP?! I could use this for such great evil under the circumstances.

But what I'm going to do instead is repost the latest update (that I know of) of the 'ol Zevthread List. Because no one misunderstands and ruins Zevran Arainai like the regulars of this thread.

[quote]The Entire Goddamn Thread Contributors wrote...

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Ok, here's the deal. Anyone/Everyone can copy and edit this list. Keep it snowballing.

Only rule: if the Zevthread in any way inspired the creation or continuation of a Zev-themed project, add it. (Mods made for Zevran but not inspired by this thread shouldn't be added, those go on Sresla's big list of Zev mods etc though!). =P

Can be... groups, mods, threads, fanfics, fanarts, blogs, whatever...this is what we will paste to the haters

Then when we're all good and happy let's stick it up on Sresla's group page and bring it out like crispy old photos of semi-naked grandchildren for Thanksgiving.

Links if ya got em.

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Modifié par Aroihkin, 02 février 2013 - 01:27 .


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I'll add that I LOVE her Failed to Fail. >.>
But I think I'm in love with her Air now. Enough that I put a Surana in my fic...
What can I say? I have a thing for elves... and purple.

Modifié par Alexmancer, 02 février 2013 - 01:24 .


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aidana wrote...

I have a question for the fans.

Do you really perceive Zevran only as an object for sex?
Are you not interested his character or his actions, or his life?
Do you really want to see him just a cheap ****, and not loyal lover Warden and friend, who is willing to give his life for Hero and loyal to him until death?
He is for you no more than a ****? That's all that you value most in the him character?

And if you like Zevran WHY show it so ugly?
Does not he deserve better?


1: no, i don't perceive zevran as only an object for sex.

2: i am, indeed, WAY more interested in his character, his actions, and his life.

3: hmm...  if it fits the story for him to be just a cheap ****, and disloyal to the warden... yes, i wouldn't mind seeing that.  there was, in fact, a really great story about zevran returning from antiva and finally murdering the warden.  that warden somehow did not love him enough, did not support him enough.  he killed her, and then killed himself, because he had no love in his life.  it was a wonderful and painful story.
   on the other hand, if it fits the story for him to be brave and loyal until the end, then i want to see that as well.  (and if you're wondering about klidi, klidi's 'community' on fanfiction.net is only for stories where zevran is NOT just a sex object, but has a deep, meaningful part to play in the story.  so directing this at klidi is very mistaken.)

4: no, i don't see him as no more than a ****.  that's not what i value most in his character.  (although he is.  he says so, and he is not ashamed to be.)

5: as i said before: showing zevran 'ugly' is just a joke.
you might also ask:  why write a story where zevran is hurt?  where zevran is tortured?  where zevran is killed?  are these bad things we shouldn't do, too?  do ALL the stories have to end with him being forever in love, married to his lover?

6:  does he deserve better?  sure.  do we not also do better things to him?  we can do both.  we can show him being hurt, and ugly, and being a ****.  and we can show him being happy, and comforted, and loyal, and in love.  YOU don't like both, and that's okay.

so... you can say, 'that is an ugly picture of zevran.'  or you can say nothing, if you don't like it.  but, it seems you are saying people are bad for making ugly pictures, or for not hating ugly pictures.  that's really not fair of you.



perhaps something is lost in the translation.  i hope my answers help you to understand.  if you are still confused, please ask me.  i will try to explain better.  :)



PS: @ dawn:  click the link in aro's signature.  go to aro's deviantart and archive of our own.  i think that covers it?  ;)

Modifié par BloodsongVengeance, 02 février 2013 - 03:18 .


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BloodsongVengeance wrote...

PS: @ dawn:  click the link in aro's signature.  go to aro's deviantart and archive of our own.  i think that covers it?  ;)

LOL, do you mean the disturbing sh*t? Most of what I do isn't disturbing! ...I think. XD

Although there was that one time with the Architect...

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The Architect is pretty sexy though, don't you agree? lol

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Tannusen has... issues, let's put it that way.

...I just realized that I do terrible things to my character more often than not. I guess that means I don't value him as a character, and since he features in a lot of smut I guess that means he's nothing more than ****** material. (Because obviously smut can't tell a story, and trauma can't give character development.)

All these years, I was just lying to myself. I am ashamed. I wish to cry. Where is Wynne's bosom when you need it?

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Aww, you can always cry on my shoulder if you need it. We can talk more about your character's traumatizing past.

Edit: I just realized today that Flemeth is Captain Janeway... How did I not notice that??

Also, Zathrian is a Vulcan. Though I already knew that... lol
Maybe because he used the same tone and everything when he played Tuvok.
But hey, Space Elves, fantasy elves. Vulcans aren't different right? They don't need those silly emotions!

Modifié par Alexmancer, 02 février 2013 - 05:56 .


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Finished this one~ click for deviant art link. :3

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Alexmancer wrote...

Aww, you can always cry on my shoulder if you need it. We can talk more about your character's traumatizing past.

Edit: I just realized today that Flemeth is Captain Janeway... How did I not notice that??

Also, Zathrian is a Vulcan. Though I already knew that... lol
Maybe because he used the same tone and everything when he played Tuvok.
But hey, Space Elves, fantasy elves. Vulcans aren't different right? They don't need those silly emotions!

She is indeed! And bwahaha, space elves. What about elves who police aliens?

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My MS Paint pixels~ I put Zevran in non-canon getup because I secretly devalue him.

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 We have on the character bullied just haters, but fans - never.And I'm wildly to look at what the fans do the same - bullied of the character in their works.For me, is unacceptable.If you enjoy in the works bullied  of Zevran,  I feel sorry for you.In this matter, we probably will not understand each other! <_<

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Alex - yay! I'm happy you like it! Although, Zev asked me to warn you that Airaim is his and only his boy toy and sexual object of his sick fantasies. :P

Aro - well, smut usually doesn't tell he story. Your stories combine complex, vivid characters, deep emotions, story and hot smut, and it's because you're ridiculously awesome.
But you need to find Danarius. Fast. Then kill him. Slowly. And gruesomelly. >:( Cause when I read that part on the ship, my was shatterd to atoms. Even though it has cool badass Zev. :(

Now a question for the game experts: is the sign on the armour of the Warden Commander somehow different than on the armour of the common Wardens? Is there any canon ragarding that?

Modifié par Klidi, 02 février 2013 - 10:49 .


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@ Klidi - From what I can see, the image remains the same and only the material improves. Of course, in DA:O, there's only Duncan and Sophia to go by, and only Sophia has 'proper' Warden-Commander armor. However, comparing it with Grey Warden armor artifacts in DA2, it appears that the sign stays the same and only the overall design of the armor itself changes between classes/rank.

There might be more available in the other media (like the cartoon they did or the comic books), but if so I'm unaware of it.

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Aroihkin - This I approve of. Any man looks good in a suit. Then again, any woman looks good in a nicely-tailored pant-suit as well. Just think, a nice Italian suit...

Klidi - Haha, yes, that is fine, he can have his cute Air. I don't intend to implant him into my story, just a Surana. I even kept the default name for now since I am incredibly uncreative (he's going to slap my Amell when they return to the tower... >.> ).

He is also a Healer, since my Amell is more interested in ice. Is it normal for people to make their mages Arcane Warriors with Ice spells? I'm used to making necromancers using cold spells as it is... but yeah. My newish Pathfinder character is a Death Mage, that runs into melee combat with a scythe and is wearing armor. Melee spellcasters ftw?

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Aroihkin wrote...

BloodsongVengeance wrote...

PS: @ dawn: click the link in aro's signature. go to aro's deviantart and archive of our own. i think that covers it? ;)

LOL, do you mean the disturbing sh*t? Most of what I do isn't disturbing! ...I think. XD

Although there was that one time with the Architect...


yes, the disturbing sh*t.
and yes. yes, you do.

although, technically, yes, it's more disturbing to tannusen than to zevran. but other than that, i know not of which you speak.


@aidana:
i understand, that you do not like zevran to be "bullied" or "mocked" or "hurt." i respect that.
you need to understand: you cannot "bully" fans who do not agree with you.

i said before: you can say 'i don't like it.' or you can say nothing.
but you should not say, 'you are a bad person for making that.'
even if that is your opinion. :) it is not a nice thing to say. :/




PS:  does anybody know what that story was, that i cited?  where zevran was taken and tortured by the crows, and then returned and murdered the warden and killed himself?  dangit, now i want to read it again and bookmark it....

Modifié par BloodsongVengeance, 02 février 2013 - 02:58 .


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@ Tklivory - thanks! I think I'll make make it as you want, then. :)

@ Alex - no, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you want to use my Air. It's just that I'm one of those unlucky authors whose characters don't just wait quietly till they're called up for a story; they're always following me around, reading over my shoulder and they never shut up. :D So when Zev read you love Air, he had to comment it. :)

@ Bloodsong - I believe you're talking about Cold Dining by Tklivory.

Modifié par Klidi, 02 février 2013 - 03:21 .


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I haven't read that one yet. If the Warden was female, I probably won't read it... T.T (I deeply apologize for that, but I prefer pairing Zev with men)

It sounds really good though.

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Klidi wrote...

...It's just that I'm one of those unlucky authors whose characters don't just wait quietly till they're called up for a story; they're always following me around, reading over my shoulder and they never shut up.


Speaking of, are Zev and Air still in your apartment?

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Another disturbing but very good one is No Happy Endings by farasha. 

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Klidi wrote...

@ Tklivory - thanks! I think I'll make make it as you want, then. :)

@ Alex - no, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you want to use my Air. It's just that I'm one of those unlucky authors whose characters don't just wait quietly till they're called up for a story; they're always following me around, reading over my shoulder and they never shut up. :D So when Zev read you love Air, he had to comment it. :)

@ Bloodsong - I believe you're talking about Cold Dining by Tklivory.


Ah I see haha Well it's okay, I love Zev too! :D Love all around, yes? xD

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aidana wrote...

We have on the character bullied just haters, but fans - never.And I'm wildly to look at what the fans do the same - bullied of the character in their works.For me, is unacceptable.If you enjoy in the works bullied of Zevran, I feel sorry for you.In this matter, we probably will not understand each other!

Emphasis mine. This is the last time I'm going to respond to you, and it's to tell you that if you can't even be bothered to respond to the well thought-out and reasoned replies of the others, in favor of continuing to spout bullsh*t about who is a fan of Zevran and who isn't, like you're some kind of f*cking authority on the subject...

I'm just not even going to bother trying to read your posts from now on. Willful stupidity p*sses me off. BSN may not have a proper "ignore" feature, but my eyes can glaze over on cue.

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Aro - well, smut usually doesn't tell he story. Your stories combine complex, vivid characters, deep emotions, story and hot smut, and it's because you're ridiculously awesome.
But you need to find Danarius. Fast. Then kill him. Slowly. And gruesomelly. >:( Cause when I read that part on the ship, my was shatterd to atoms. Even though it has cool badass Zev. :(

Now a question for the game experts: is the sign on the armour of the Warden Commander somehow different than on the armour of the common Wardens? Is there any canon ragarding that?

Danarius is only getting worse, too, before he gets dead. XD

My next art involves the Commander armor, so I'll be studying the model pretty intensely. I can take some reference shots in XNALara for you if you like, since I'll be in there anyway to oggle details.


tklivory wrote...

@ Klidi - From what I can see, the image remains the same and only the material improves. Of course, in DA:O, there's only Duncan and Sophia to go by, and only Sophia has 'proper' Warden-Commander armor. However, comparing it with Grey Warden armor artifacts in DA2, it appears that the sign stays the same and only the overall design of the armor itself changes between classes/rank.

There might be more available in the other media (like the cartoon they did or the comic books), but if so I'm unaware of it.

This is what I remember as correct, too, for what it's worth. XD


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yes, the disturbing sh*t.
and yes. yes, you do.

although, technically, yes, it's more disturbing to tannusen than to zevran. but other than that, i know not of which you speak.

Because I secretly hate Tannusen! :D There's no other reason to do bad things to a character.

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Gah! How could anyone hate Tannusen! He's completely molestable... I mean >.>


I do not have a thing for elves or anything. No, not at all.

Modifié par Alexmancer, 02 février 2013 - 06:43 .


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If you like it when I do bad things to him, that means you secretly hate him too!

It's okay, you can admit it.

(Yes, I'm going to be snarking like this for a while. XD)

Also I went ahead and fired up XNALara, unfortunately I don't have the normal plate or leather sets, but I'm 99% sure the Warden crest is exactly the same.

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Edit: And I load up tumblr and what is on the Zev tag but this video, which shows a (modded) Zev rocking the Warden leathers in a closeup. Exact same crest! :D

Modifié par Aroihkin, 02 février 2013 - 06:55 .


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Yes, I must secretly hate him. But if I admit that, I will also admit that I hate my Kayden Amell who I've thrown so much sh*t at when developing him. I'm a bad man. I know. You  don't need to tell me.


Looks good on him too. Then again, almost anything would look good on him.

Modifié par Alexmancer, 02 février 2013 - 07:46 .


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And David Gaider obviously hates Zevran, too, since he wrote his backstory and all his potential bad endings. :lol:

And oh man, whoever wrote the Darkspawn Chronicles DLC obviously loathes all the characters.

Modifié par Aroihkin, 02 février 2013 - 07:53 .


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Worse. Whoever wrote the Darkspawn Chronicles is a sick sociopath that hates whole humankind. And elvenkind. And qunarikind. And dwarvenkind. That's quite a heap of hate for one person, no?

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lol. Kinda off topic, though I just got a copy of "The Calling" in the mail today. I can't wait to read it! Well on and off topic... xD

And Darkspawn Chronicles. I dunno. I played through Origins and for some reason Darkspawn Chronicles gave me a bad taste in my mouth. Maybe it's because all the characters had grown on me so much? It was down to the point where I was defending Sten to my bf and even some of the characters people seem to hate. But I mean, come on, how could people NOT like Sten, he is totally awesome. But yeah, I will have to play through Darkspawn Chronicles at some point when I get over the fact that OMG they are killing everyone I love! lol