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[Klidi]

And what's stopping us from doing it now? I'm sure Zev wouldn't mind...

[ejoslin]

Ahahaha, I remember when someone posted a ton of male porn, making sure all the butts were covered (probably with Zevran's face), but missed covering a penis.

I do miss those days

Edit: AHHHH!  Zevran with CREEPER EYES!  

We used to laugh about Alistair's creeper eyes in that shot

Second edit:  I'm pretty sure that's why our old thread got locked.  It was a sad day

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 mars 2013 - 03:50 .

[Klidi]

Creeper eyes? Lol it was supposed to be Zev watching his lover after sex a romantic scene, not creepy... XD

Becaue of unedited porn or because laughing at Alistair? XD

[ejoslin]

I think it was the porn, though it may have been because we'd have 10+ pages of it on Fridays. One day we caught a mod's attention and that was it

And with creeper eyes... at least you can be fairly sure he's not planning on stealing your eyelashes as he watches you sleep!

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 mars 2013 - 05:16 .

[Alexmancer]

I think it looks nice, Vent. xD

Ejo - That's always a good thing. When I tried to romance Leliana, I found that very creepy... I'm not alone then? xD

[Aroihkin]

I got screamed at one time by a member for posting stuff with it all covered, haha. XD I wasn't around when someone missed one.

Mostly I just posted David Bowie spam on fridays.



And sometimes dudes in bondage (surprise surprise).

[Alexmancer]

Zevran sneaks into everything of course. He's up for the bondage too I'm sure.

[Aroihkin]

Of course. 

The NSFW spam was basically meant as "stuff Zevran would approve of". Which is quite the wide and varied category. XD

[Alexmancer]

I need one of those t-shirts that says "Zevran Approves" xD

[Ewlar]

Aroihkin wrote...

Sexy elves all around!

This one's not mine, but I like it:



Zevran Arainai by ~HarlequinRavenwing

The picture is beautiful, but not like Zevran. His eyelashes, nose and lips are not similar. Probably, it is the author's opinion.

Alexmancer wrote...
... When I tried to romance Leliana, I found that very creepy... I'm not alone then? xD

You
are not alone. Romance with Leliana's boring. Zevran's affair with the
most beautiful. Still, the novel draws from not porn (porn, you can
write to anyone), and sensitivity and reveal character.

Modifié par Ewlar, 07 mars 2013 - 07:56 .

[Sheridan2010]

Ewlar wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...

Sexy elves all around!

This one's not mine, but I like it:



Zevran Arainai by ~HarlequinRavenwing

The picture is beautiful, but not like Zevran. His eyelashes, nose and lips are not similar. Probably, it is the author's opinion.

He looks like an elderly aunt, not the man.

[ejoslin]

Ah, I'm not the only one who sees that picture as very feminine.

@Alexmancer Yes, the Leliana after-sex talk was very offputting to me. But the idea of someone watching me sleep also is for some reason which is a big part of the reason I don't like the vanilla Aliastair romance scene.

Creepiest DA romance for me, though, was Anders in act 3. Sorry any Anders fans, but he reminded me of a crazy ex boyfriend who I could not get rid of, no matter what. And DA2 being DA2, of course you couldn't just tell him GTFO. It just reminded me of that whole crazy dynamic and was suffocating.

My playthrough where my warden romanced Leliana, I ended up killing her, but at least there was the breakup option as well.

[Alexmancer]

Morrigan's romance is very fulfilling I've noticed. Her's is almost as good as Zevran's, maybe more so if you go with her at the end of Witch Hunt.

[Klidi]

Ejoslin - I agree, DA2 Anders is creepy. But, I didn't really like any DA2 romance... Fernris' was good, except the 'I'll return to you if you never dated anyone for 3 years' bit. XD

Alex - I even wrote a drabble for Halloween about that eyelashes comment from Leliana Eyes of Love

Morrigan's romance would be nice, but I can't stand her personality. Her attitude 'if you're not 100% mean and selfish, I'd will disapprove' always irritated me. I even had the mod 'Slap Morrigan' because of that. XD

[ejoslin]

Morrigan's and Zevran's romances are actually quite similar in many ways. David Gaider wrote both, and I think he was trying to accomplish the same type of feeling in both -- someone who does not want to nor believes they can fall in love actually falling in love, and how they react to it. And the reaction is also very similar, though (and I know I'll ****** people off for saying this) the way that Zevran gets over the sex thing and Morrigan cannot is a believable gender discrepancy. And given that she cannot afford, at least at that time, for sex and love to be intermingled, considering the DR, gives it that much more depth.

I do like that she does not mislead a male warden about the ritual -- it's what convinces me that she is not using him in any way, shape, or form at the end. It's genuine love.

ETA: Klidi, I agree so much with that.  I did like Fenris' romance, but the three years where Hawke just waits for him?  Who on earth does that?  Yet if you have sex with anyone else, Fenris doesn't come back.  I could see 3 months, but 3 years just makes no sense to me.

Anyone who waits 3 years after a one night stand to see if the guy comes back is crazier than the ex boyfriend I mentioned above.  That's obsessive to a degree I cannot begin to explore.

Second edit: Just read the story -- that's awesome.  I did NOT see that coming.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 07 mars 2013 - 03:39 .

[Alexmancer]

For some reason, I really liked Morrigan, there was something I could respect about the whole survival thing, however, I couldn't get around the 'you must be manly' part. Must be why she and Kayden didn't get along all that well. He's not incredibly manly.

Vent - I actually almost got that mod too. I thought it was HILARIOUS. My bf and I joked about one of the videos for it for a while. We took turns running up to each other and pretending to slap the other with hilariously-over-dramatic faces and reactions.

Edit: OMG Vent. That was CREEPY!

Modifié par Alexmancer, 07 mars 2013 - 03:32 .

[Klidi]

Two things that irritated me most were her comment when my Warden gives few silvers to the orphan in Lothering and then her behaviour when they met the slavers in the alienage. My Tabris romanced Zev but was at 80 or 90 friendship with her, and yet she told him to sell his father. > I don't care how horrible Flemeth was; Morrigan is not a fool and knows there are things that you can't say to a firend.

I also disliked that she knew about the sacrifice, yet never mentioned it to the Warden, not even if he romanced her. She doesn't give him time to think about it properly and get used to it, she keeps it secret till the last moment... I couldn't help feeling it was deliberate emotional blackmailing and manipulation from her side.

So it didn't seem similar to Zevran's romance at all. As he himself says, Zevran is many things but he's not a cheat; he's always open and honest. With Morrigan, I always had a feeling that she's cheating me, keeping secrets, planning secret schemes behind my back. I couldn't trust her. And for me, that's crucial for the relationship.

[Alexmancer]

I think she keeps those secrets because she's trying to protect herself, honestly.  She's so used to keeping herself so securely guarded that she is unsure how to deal with friendship and such. This is something new to her. Before I get yelled at, I'm saying it's understandable. But being understandable doesn't necissarilly make things right.

But I do agree, that is NOT something you say to a friend. I would have been incredibly upset in that situation as well. I actually did not bring her with me into the alienage ever. I brought Zevran, Alistair and I think Wynne for that one.

Modifié par Alexmancer, 07 mars 2013 - 03:44 .

[ejoslin]

Oh, there are definite differences within the romances, but I think the overall feeling was meant to be the same -- someone who didn't want to fall in love falling in love despite themselves. Even a lot of the dialog choices and responses are similar. Morrigan and Zevran are very different people, with very different personalities so their romances are going to be different -- but one thing they have in common is that they were taught to use people, and they believe that emotional ties are nothing but a liability.

Morrigan was better at those lessons than Zevran, though. Zevran never lost his ability to feel and to love -- he just learned how to ignore those and act without taking those into consideration. Morrigan, however, never trusted and never loved. Her life, like Zevran's, was completely about survival, but with her I got the feeling that no one had ever gotten to her before, unlike Zevran who had cared for at least two others that we learn about -- one whom he tried to spare (which would have been a disaster for him had he succeeded) and one whom he murdered.

That Morrigan tells a city elf to sell his/her father is more likely a dialog oversight than anything else. Selling the elves for power is a pragmatic decision; you get her response no matter what. Was her pragmatism that deeply ingrained? Possibly, but I never took her statement there as personal, though I could see why someone else might.

Unfortunately, with the DR, a lot of dialog was never put in so a lot of how Morrigan felt about it was completely left out. The only conversation that took place regarding it was the neutral one, which threw off a lot of people who romanced her (there was more planned, but never put in the toolset -- much like what happened with Alistair there not having any dialog if he's not king). In WH we do learn that she thought they would have more time. She did not mean for it to be a last minute decision.

Edit: If Morrigan meant to deceive a male warden who romanced her, she could easily have done so by lying about the actual purpose of the ritual.  At that point, you have a man in love who would probably do anything for her, so if she told him that it would protect them but nothing else, you bet he would do it.  In fact, a warden can do that to Alistair/Loghain -- they can just tell him it will save their lives without saying the actual purpose of the ritual.  But Morrigan doesn't do that. She lets him know everything involved, knowing full well that there's a much better chance she'll be turned down doing so.

Modifié par ejoslin, 07 mars 2013 - 03:56 .

[Alexmancer]

I adore Zevran for that

[Klidi]

Yell at you? Lol, no, and I'm sorry if I sounded angry or upset or anything. That wasn't my intention.
And I'm glad you liked Leli's drabble.

The problem with Morrigan I have is that she doesn't really have a reason to be so secretive. I can understand that in Zev, as he grew up in enviroment where indiscretion could cost you your life. But Morrigan grew up in isolation. She doesn't have experience with friends, but she doesn't have experience with betrayal, either. She and Flemeth were hiding as apostates, but if they were discovered, Flemeth could easily take care of that...

The relationship with her... maybe it's because I'm a woman, but I just can't imagine it. *shrug* It's too confusing, full of contradicting signal and things. I wouldn't be able to trust her and relax around her, and I couldn't be able to rely on her.

[Alexmancer]

I like you're writings ^^

After her quest with Flemeth's Grimoire though, I think that kinda felt like a betrayal?

As a man, I can tell you that she's confusing as hell. xD So yeah, it's not that weird that you think so. There are some things about how she acts that I can find understandable, but there are other things that I wonder what she's thinking. I'm the person that did help the orphan in Lothering, that gave Katlyn and her brother money to go to Denerim, all things she didn't like. So yeah.

[ejoslin]

The time I tried to romance both Leliana and Morrigan, I ended up completely confused, but my husband assured me that romancing women really IS that confusing, so I just shrugged about it.

Morrigan also grew up in an environment where she learned that everyone was the enemy. She was bait for templars, for instance -- she knew they would try to kill her if they knew what she was, so she had to lure them deeper into the woods so Flemmeth could do whatever with them. It's why Flemmeth broke the mirror -- because Morrigan took such a horrible risk stealing it to begin with.

Zevran also puts out mixed signals, though. On the one hand, he's wondering, very early, if there's a future between he and the warden, one that could possibly be romantic and permanent, but on the other, he's tries to make it completely clear that he won't fall in love and in fact does not fall in love until quite late in the game. He is so much more open with a warden he is in a romance with, yet he's not open with how HE feels -- probably because he's confused. He says sex is meaningless, yet he's the only companion who gives approval for each trip to the tent and in fact can end up adoring a warden based on sex alone. He also is the only LI who doesn't give disapproval for tent refusal (unless you're a jerk about it or break up with him when he suggests it) so his ego isn't tied up in it.

Gah, Zevran squee

Modifié par ejoslin, 07 mars 2013 - 04:24 .

[Alexmancer]

I tried romancing Leliana and Morrigan at the same time once, the party banter was PRICELESS. Needless to say... I broke up with both of them afterwards.

I tried thinking about it. I'd like to say if I grew up the way she did that I'd be different, but I think, how could I possibly know how I would act in that situation unless I was actually in it? The thing is, we even surprise ourselves with how we act but also when we try to put ourselves in someone else's shoes we still think about it in the way we were brought up and we don't take into account that we were brought up completely differently. That being said, maybe I really would be the same way.


I find the fact that Zevran is confused about his feelings incredibly cute. Just makes him all the more loveable and all the more REAL to me. I really adore him...

[ejoslin]

What I really like about ALL the romances is that the NPCs really all have their own issues and agendas and it's not all about what the warden wants. Like with Alistair turning the warden down if he doesn't adore her, or if she turns him down after he falls in love and he gets upset and embarrassed. You have Zevran and Morrigan conflicted and sending mixed signals, and even more conflicted and refusing sex AFTER they fall in love. You have Leliana and Alistair both wanting to fall in love and no matter what, you have to wait until they're ready to have sex rather than just being, "Ok, you want me, let's GO!"

I've wondered with Zevran being so quick to go to the tent, whether it was a true desire, or something he felt was expected of him, especially if the warden told him they should wait and see what the future holds. One thing I always found interesting is Zevran actually goes to the tent sooner than he's supposed to -- every note about it in the toolset says that option isn't supposed to happen until he hits "care" but he does at "interested" -- even the flag note in the script file says it needs to be set for "care" but the flag itself is programmed for "interested." I wonder who made that decision and why. It does change the sexual dynamic, that he's willing to go to bed with a warden he hardly knows as opposed to one that he has developed feelings for. And I wonder why he was originally set to wait. I never did change it in ZDF because most people like that he is willing to go to the tent early even if they don't take him up on it, but I find it an interesting part of the character that sex with the warden, as originally intended, could not have been about business but had to do with feelings below the surface, even if they were feelings he wasn't acknowledging.

Leliana has a similar one, where she's not supposed to have the "shoes" conversation until a higher approval level and in fact, there's a note from one of the writers complaining that the conversation is happening too soon, but with her it's more understandable as it's determined by approval level, not number, and there's no equivalent to friendship track "care" which happens at 51 on the romance track.

ETA: You're also able to ask about his sexual history sooner than originally intended, and this is actually even more clear as there are notes in both the dialog file and the script file that he's supposed to be at "care" yet the flag is set for "interested."  It actually does not make sense to me that you can ask sooner than that, but I left it alone because I figured if you could get him into bed, you should be able to ask him about it as well.  But yeh, I like the romance better with both those options set for the higher approval level.

Modifié par ejoslin, 07 mars 2013 - 05:47 .