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[ICevoL]

ejoslin wrote...

 I did some more playing with FRAPS.  This time the "Royal Scandal" talk.  Hahahaha, and the suggested videos on this page -- when flags go WRONG!  Only two lines are different.  And yes, he sounds torn up in this one as well, and trying to cover it.  I may put up the breakup that can go along with this one -- but it's horrible.  He's so sweet and loving and kind -- he completely gets why the warden would dump him for the chance to be queen/king and does his best to make him/her feel better.  I chose that response once without thinking and felt like crap for hours afterwards!

*loves ejoslin's FRAPS playing*  I really need to DL that and try it out.  It'd be fun to take some vids of the game

Once I've done all the other Origins, I really need to create another F!Cousland to try the "political marriage" angle (while Romancing Zev, of course ). 

My first F!Cousland hated the nobility after what Howe did, so she and Alistair both stayed Grey Wardens in the end (being Queen wasn't Madeline's idea of "Happily Ever After"; being Warden Commander was )

This is one of the reasons I love DAO so much.  You can replay it to your hearts content -- even with Wardens of the same Origin -- and go totally different places depending on your choices.



Edit: Top of Page means a pic, yes?  Here's Zev giving an Ogre a Very Bad Day *EG*

Modifié par ICevoL, 07 septembre 2010 - 11:33 .

[ejoslin]

I can't seem to play a HNF who doesn't become queen. I'm enough of an egoist to think that she is, by far, the best ruler of them all! And Couslands always do their duty :/

[ICevoL]

ejoslin wrote...

I can't seem to play a HNF who doesn't become queen. I'm enough of an egoist to think that she is, by far, the best ruler of them all! And Couslands always do their duty :/

Yes, very true.  When Alistair gave his whole "She's been running the country instead of Cailian, and I hear she's been doing a good job." speech, Madeline pretty much jumped at getting both of them out of the line of fire, so to speak.  WillfullyBlindPCWarden is willfully blind and all that.  Metagaming tells me Madeline would have done a better job than Anora, but I was being faithful to the character's RP.  For myself, I enjoyed going against the HNF grain and not being Queen.  I'm sure it's been done before many times over, but I felt rebellious doing it *snicker*

But!  My next HNF is definitely going the political marriage route.  With Zevran.  Alistair can go find someone else to play with

[Sarah1281]

What I always hate up Queen Cousland games (and I have one too) is that everyone assumes that they'd do such a great job, infinitely better than Anora, ect...Ruling is not going to be that easy and you're extremely unexperienced. In the origin you're only just getting your very first test run of the castle.

[ejoslin]

Well, the Cousland IS considered a better heir to the Teyrnir than Fergus (though Dairren could be just trying to get laid), and is a proven leader (as all wardens are).

[Sarah1281]

ejoslin wrote...

Well, the Cousland IS considered a better heir to the Teyrnir than Fergus (though Dairren could be just trying to get laid), and is a proven leader (as all wardens are).

Is Fergus as competent as Anora? And there is a huge difference between leading men into battle (which Loghain can do just fine) and ruling a country (which he does not so well at).

[Hilde]

Question...If Zevran and ff ideas enter your thoughts while writing a paper on the Ottoman Empire, do I play or think about Zevran too much?

Anywho....free time to catch up on thread.

@Corker ~ Zevran as a dalish guide and his care for danyla was touching and beautiful.

@Sarah ~ Great expansion on the mage with the divine legs!

@Wildannie ~ Again, so beautiful and sad. Love the shorter hair on Zev in his youth and his emotion he had to learn to supress.

@Caridounette ~ I love the confession of taking everything Talisen owned. That was so sweet. The sunlit bench and reaction and confusion of the warden to Zevran's actions were great.

@TanithAeyrs ~ Zevran in his life as a crow and multiple assassinations in one day! Great storytelling of a part of his life we learn little about!

@Minaleth ~ Zevran looks so happy to kill Vaughn. I want to believe Tabris is holding in a laugh or at least a satisfied smile at his death.

@Kornichon ~ I love the tears in the eyes of the dying roach and Zevran looks so determined to rid his room of many many more.

@Shadow of Light Dragon ~ The poor boy. Great images and insight into Zevrans feelings or reactions on the death of a bystander. And his belt, I always thought a story on the meaning behind his belt would be awesome and again, another glimpse into Zev!

@Totorotori ~ There can never be too cute IMO! They look like they are having a great time!

@Halae Dral ~ Nice to see Zevrans care over his fallen friend and fellow crow. Even with his decisions to leave the crows Talisen was an important part of his life and I think you conveyed it well.


@Jenovan ~ Although late, I feel the same as the others seem to. It is fun to create for the prompts regardless of getting them in on time or not. It's a great, creative and welcoming place for Zevran fans to show love. And we do seem to have a lot of love for him!

And to everyone who commented on my prompt post...thank you for all your great feedback! it was fun venturing into Bizzaro Fereldan if only for a moment with Anora.

Oh....and ICevol, Cannot wait for more Alek/Zevran

Edit..format.

Modifié par Hilde, 08 septembre 2010 - 12:37 .

[ejoslin]

Sarah1281 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Well, the Cousland IS considered a better heir to the Teyrnir than Fergus (though Dairren could be just trying to get laid), and is a proven leader (as all wardens are).

Is Fergus as competent as Anora? And there is a huge difference between leading men into battle (which Loghain can do just fine) and ruling a country (which he does not so well at).

Fergus isn't even nearly as competent as the untried warden, apparently  But keep in mind that, while (s)he may not have actual ruling experience, (s)he most likely was raised to be an administrator and ruler.  A child of the man second to the king would most likely, even if not an heir, would be expected to be in a ruling capacity by marriage.  His/her training was probably just as complete as Anora's.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

ejoslin wrote...

I can't seem to play a HNF who doesn't become queen. I'm enough of an egoist to think that she is, by far, the best ruler of them all! And Couslands always do their duty :/

I found it easy not to be queen. My very first playthrough I put unhardened Alistair as king and couldn't do the 'I will rule by his side' for two reasons:

1) It would have appeared power-grabby, and she wasn't like that,
2) She was kinda hoping Alistair might, y'know, *propose* if he wanted her to be queen.

It made sense to her afterwards when he explained he would need a heir, and she wasn't about to be a mistress. So that was that.

[TanithAeyrs]

@ejoslin - thanks for the "royal scandal" videos. I only did one femCousland playthrough so I never got those dialogs. I seem to have trouble romancing anyone other than Zev anymore and my Wardens have been faithful so far.... I haven't even done the US ending because I can't stand the thought of breaking Zev's heart. I guess I need an no romance playthrough.

[ejoslin]

This is a bit of a whine and a bit of a rant, so feel free to skip (and please no "cri moars" because I"m already feeling that way myself).

Zev fans really did end up getting screwed as far as story goes. Leliana fans did a bit better as they got at least an extra story about her. Alistair fans got, of course, Mr. Loving in Awakening. Morrigan fans got a fairly satisfying (though incomplete) ending. Zevran fans didn't even get consistent epilogues!

Now, the change in the story ending would have been fine with me had it been built upon. But there is... nothing.

I think there are two things going on here. First of all, DLCs were most likely not selling as well as was expected, so there was no point really in continuing to put them out. Or not -- I have no clue about any of that other than if the DLCs were doing well and turning a good profit, they wouldn't be ending most likely.

The other thing probably going on here, though there are many people who love Zevran's story, there are so many homophobes who hate Zevran just because of his story, and they're very LOUD about it. So it was assumed that a DLC about Zevran wouldn't do well.

It makes me sad. I wanted at least a little bit more than "rumors" as an official ending. And I have my doubts they'll ever have a love story so wonderfully different and polarizing like Zevran's again. The way this has been handled makes me very sad, and not very excited about the future of the series :/

Edit: And I love the Royal Scandal talks.  It's great also how people just see their wardens, same origins even, so differently.  That is part of what makes DA:O so wonderful!

Modifié par ejoslin, 08 septembre 2010 - 01:25 .

[Giggles_Manically]

I dont get why some people are offended by Zev hitting on a male PC.

He does it like once and if you are wierded out by it he laughs and moves on.



Overall yes Zev got little treatment compared to other fans in DA.

But then what is anyone in Dragon Age compared to teh Hawkester.

[ejoslin]

I don't get it either. People all over the internetz were claiming that they ended up in the tent accidentally as well. Zevran's romance is so easy to turn off -- all you have to do is tell him not to hit on you, and he doesn't do it again. Gah, I do feel a bit less whiny about it now, but still, GAH!

[Tellervo]

Yeah. Zev fans? Got nothin'. Until this DLC Morrigan fans were in the same boat, and it seems we get cut off because of DA2. It doesn't inspire much loyalty to the company, does it? Then again, it seems they don't want most of us as part of their DA2 audience anyway, so... that's fine, I guess. They don't want my money, they won't get it.

[Sarah1281]

ejoslin wrote...

I don't get it either. People all over the internetz were claiming that they ended up in the tent accidentally as well. Zevran's romance is so easy to turn off -- all you have to do is tell him not to hit on you, and he doesn't do it again. Gah, I do feel a bit less whiny about it now, but still, GAH!

Yeah, it's strange. When my far-too-young little brother was playing the game and found out that Zevran was offering a massage he learned in a ****house (after he asked me what that was) he realized that saying yes would probably lead to sex. All of these people complaining about the 'ninja' sex? Totally outsmarted by a ten-year-old.

[caridounette]

ejoslin wrote...

 I did some more playing with FRAPS.  This time the "Royal Scandal" talk.  Hahahaha, and the suggested videos on this page -- when flags go WRONG!  Only two lines are different.  And yes, he sounds torn up in this one as well, and trying to cover it.  I may put up the breakup that can go along with this one -- but it's horrible.  He's so sweet and loving and kind -- he completely gets why the warden would dump him for the chance to be queen/king and does his best to make him/her feel better.  I chose that response once without thinking and felt like crap for hours afterwards!

Thanks for the fraps Ejoslin, youre an angel !

The way Zev says that him and the Warden might talk about it again later... it doenst look good. He says it himself, hes no dummy, so i see that hte Warden will have to work hard and give Zev lots of her free time to keep him around. He might feel in love right now but it he just became free like 1mont ago... one day hell want fly with his own wings and not tiptoe around the castle 

About the DLCs, i think they (well Bio or EA, i dont know whose to fault here) promised more then they could handle. 2 years of DLC is alot. I dont see them promissing that with DA2. Specially cause it gives us much hope that we will see this and that happen. If we didnt expect nothing we would be far happier now. 

Im not too worried about DA2 tho. I dont expect it to be the same as DA ( its like a good book, it comes unexpected). I think it will still be better then most games out there (specially for a female gamer, our chances to relate to games are few)

Edit: oh and i met a friend of a friend who 'accidentaly' beded Zevran. I had to ask him how that was possible. He finaly recognized he was just curious and that it didnt matter cause it was a video game. Tho he reloaded, did like Zev very much as a character. Cute.

Modifié par caridounette, 08 septembre 2010 - 01:58 .

[caridounette]

oh and so many ppl are unhappy about the Morrigan DLC tonite (seems like a buggy thing).



Im happy most of my Warden stories endup with DAO, walking away with Zevran to do some work for the GW ( and fend off Crows!).

[EccentricSage]

ejoslin wrote...

This is a bit of a whine and a bit of a rant, so feel free to skip (and please no "cri moars" because I"m already feeling that way myself).

Zev fans really did end up getting screwed as far as story goes. Leliana fans did a bit better as they got at least an extra story about her. Alistair fans got, of course, Mr. Loving in Awakening. Morrigan fans got a fairly satisfying (though incomplete) ending. Zevran fans didn't even get consistent epilogues!

Now, the change in the story ending would have been fine with me had it been built upon. But there is... nothing.

I think there are two things going on here. First of all, DLCs were most likely not selling as well as was expected, so there was no point really in continuing to put them out. Or not -- I have no clue about any of that other than if the DLCs were doing well and turning a good profit, they wouldn't be ending most likely.

The other thing probably going on here, though there are many people who love Zevran's story, there are so many homophobes who hate Zevran just because of his story, and they're very LOUD about it. So it was assumed that a DLC about Zevran wouldn't do well.

It makes me sad. I wanted at least a little bit more than "rumors" as an official ending. And I have my doubts they'll ever have a love story so wonderfully different and polarizing like Zevran's again. The way this has been handled makes me very sad, and not very excited about the future of the series :/

Edit: And I love the Royal Scandal talks.  It's great also how people just see their wardens, same origins even, so differently.  That is part of what makes DA:O so wonderful!

Same here.  It's a real shame, too, as I think those really vocal Zevran haters didn't even play the game for that long or anything.  It seemed like there was a lot of Zev hate when the game first came out, but now you see far more Zev like or Zev love than hate.  In fact, some who hated him initially eventually gave him a chance and were pleasantly surprised.

I think the huge mistake on Bioware's fault was in believing character popularity and gimics would sell DLC rather than relivance and quality. 

For example, I hate Leliana, but if her DLC had been well made, I would have baught it.  I like Morrigan, but I'm not going to buy her DLC because I really think my own imaginings are better than the **** I've heard about the DLC.

It really does not make sence to me that they did DLC that picks up after the end of Origins or is a flashback of a character's past... Would have been so much better to add to Origins core story with DLC, and then use Expansions to continue your Warden's story after the end of the Blight.  Well done expansions could have gotten more press and thus generated more sales.  Not to mention they can charge more for expansions.

In a way I'm glad they aren't doing a Zevran DLC, considering what crap the exsisting DLC are.  They would probably just mess things up even worse for a character as complicated as Zevran, especially since they aparently decided that the Crows are after both the warden and Zevran again for some reason.  It pisses me off how little they seem to value Origins fans, but I'd rather see an end than shoddy atempts at parting us with our money for the sake of parting us with our money.

Sarah1281 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

I don't
get it either. People all over the internetz were claiming that they
ended up in the tent accidentally as well. Zevran's romance is so easy
to turn off -- all you have to do is tell him not to hit on you, and he
doesn't do it again. Gah, I do feel a bit less whiny about it now, but
still, GAH!

Yeah, it's strange. When my far-too-young little
brother was playing the game and found out that Zevran was offering a
massage he learned in a ****house (after he asked me what that was) he
realized that saying yes would probably lead to sex. All of these people
complaining about the 'ninja' sex? Totally outsmarted by a
ten-year-old.

XD <3

Modifié par EccentricSage, 08 septembre 2010 - 08:54 .

[Zjarcal]

ejoslin wrote...

This is a bit of a whine and a bit of a rant, so feel free to skip (and please no "cri moars" because I"m already feeling that way myself).

Zev fans really did end up getting screwed as far as story goes. Leliana fans did a bit better as they got at least an extra story about her. Alistair fans got, of course, Mr. Loving in Awakening. Morrigan fans got a fairly satisfying (though incomplete) ending. Zevran fans didn't even get consistent epilogues!

Now, the change in the story ending would have been fine with me had it been built upon. But there is... nothing.

I think there are two things going on here. First of all, DLCs were most likely not selling as well as was expected, so there was no point really in continuing to put them out. Or not -- I have no clue about any of that other than if the DLCs were doing well and turning a good profit, they wouldn't be ending most likely.

The other thing probably going on here, though there are many people who love Zevran's story, there are so many homophobes who hate Zevran just because of his story, and they're very LOUD about it. So it was assumed that a DLC about Zevran wouldn't do well.

It makes me sad. I wanted at least a little bit more than "rumors" as an official ending. And I have my doubts they'll ever have a love story so wonderfully different and polarizing like Zevran's again. The way this has been handled makes me very sad, and not very excited about the future of the series :/

I fully sympathize with you and all the Zev fans. You guys really got nothing and it sucks considering how great Zev is.

On the bright side, at least Bioware not doing anything Zevran related means that they didn't get a chance to screw up his character.

[Kornichon]

EccentricSage wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

This is a bit of a whine and a bit of a rant, so feel free to skip (and please no "cri moars" because I"m already feeling that way myself).

Zev fans really did end up getting screwed as far as story goes. Leliana fans did a bit better as they got at least an extra story about her. Alistair fans got, of course, Mr. Loving in Awakening. Morrigan fans got a fairly satisfying (though incomplete) ending. Zevran fans didn't even get consistent epilogues!

Now, the change in the story ending would have been fine with me had it been built upon. But there is... nothing.

I think there are two things going on here. First of all, DLCs were most likely not selling as well as was expected, so there was no point really in continuing to put them out. Or not -- I have no clue about any of that other than if the DLCs were doing well and turning a good profit, they wouldn't be ending most likely.

The other thing probably going on here, though there are many people who love Zevran's story, there are so many homophobes who hate Zevran just because of his story, and they're very LOUD about it. So it was assumed that a DLC about Zevran wouldn't do well.

It makes me sad. I wanted at least a little bit more than "rumors" as an official ending. And I have my doubts they'll ever have a love story so wonderfully different and polarizing like Zevran's again. The way this has been handled makes me very sad, and not very excited about the future of the series :/

Edit: And I love the Royal Scandal talks.  It's great also how people just see their wardens, same origins even, so differently.  That is part of what makes DA:O so wonderful!

Same here.  It's a real shame, too, as I think those really vocal Zevran haters didn't even play the game for that long or anything.  It seemed like there was a lot of Zev hate when the game first came out, but now you see far more Zev like or Zev love than hate.  In fact, some who hated him initially eventually gave him a chance and were pleasantly surprised.

I think the huge mistake on Bioware's fault was in believing character popularity and gimics would sell DLC rather than relivance and quality. 

For example, I hate Leliana, but if her DLC had been well made, I would have baught it.  I like Morrigan, but I'm not going to buy her DLC because I really think my own imaginings are better than the **** I've heard about the DLC.

It really does not make sence to me that they did DLC that picks up after the end of Origins or is a flashback of a character's past... Would have been so much better to add to Origins core story with DLC, and then use Expansions to continue your Warden's story after the end of the Blight.  Well done expansions could have gotten more press and thus generated more sales.  Not to mention they can charge more for expansions.

In a way I'm glad they aren't doing a Zevran DLC, considering what crap the exsisting DLC are.  They would probably just mess things up even worse for a character as complicated as Zevran, especially since they aparently decided that the Crows are after both the warden and Zevran again for some reason.  It pisses me off how little they seem to value Origins fans, but I'd rather see an end than shoddy atempts at parting us with our money for the sake of parting us with our money.

so true!
the last DLC is a pack of craps and looks like it has been only released to promote DA2
So I'm done with Bioware and their promises (yay you won't be disapointed with Witch hunt!) they can keep their next games deeply somewhere I think. <_<

[caridounette]

Kornichon wrote...

so true!
the last DLC is a pack of craps and looks like it has been only released to promote DA2
So I'm done with Bioware and their promises (yay you won't be disapointed with Witch hunt!) they can keep their next games deeply somewhere I think. <_<

I think you got something right there. The ending was totally about promoting DA2.
To me its totally wrong because we cant play our Wardens in DA2. So why try to get them mixed up in it? Why not give us closure about DAO and its characters so we feel ready to tackle something new by the time DA2 comes out?
I dont want my Wardens to feel involved in the whole baby-god-morrigan-flemeth-invasion plot cause i know they wont be there to solve it ! Thats Hawke's job. I just wanted closure.

[Corker]

Seems an opportune time to drop a link to my WIP module:
A Murder of Crows

I'm starting to think that I've got all the quests ideas I need and it's time to start putting some detail into things (particularly encounters within each Crow Master's house).  If there's some exploration of Antivan life that you're dying to see and I missed, let me know and I'll see what I can do.

[Hilde]

Corker wrote...

Seems an opportune time to drop a link to my WIP module:
A Murder of Crows

I'm starting to think that I've got all the quests ideas I need and it's time to start putting some detail into things (particularly encounters within each Crow Master's house).  If there's some exploration of Antivan life that you're dying to see and I missed, let me know and I'll see what I can do.

That looks amazing and quite thorough. Satanalia sounds like fun and the brothel ideas are great. I think it is very well put together!

Yeah for more Zevran

Modifié par Hilde, 08 septembre 2010 - 03:26 .

[Kornichon]

what do you think about Zevran french voice?
on this video he don't talk much so you can't get all his differents tones but during all the game his voice is soooo hot!

the english voice is fun but a bit weird to me.... and now I'm curious about the others foreign languages

[wildannie]

Hilde wrote...

Corker wrote...

Seems an opportune time to drop a link to my WIP module:
A Murder of Crows

I'm starting to think that I've got all the quests ideas I need and it's time to start putting some detail into things (particularly encounters within each Crow Master's house).  If there's some exploration of Antivan life that you're dying to see and I missed, let me know and I'll see what I can do.

That looks amazing and quite thorough. Satanalia sounds like fun and the brothel ideas are great. I think it is very well put together!

Yeah for more Zevran

Agreed!