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[ejoslin]

Argh, it does? I'd fix it, but I don't think I have a backup for the file! Or the toolset installed at the moment, for that matter. It was twisted up in an annoying way IIRC so blah, I thought I got it completely untwisted. Urgh!

Edit: Kildi, that scene you describe, I never saw it.  Are you sure it wasn't modded in?  Maybe the Dark Times mod or something?  It does sound really cool.

Edit: ToP.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 09 juillet 2013 - 10:52 .

[Corker]

Gaider, Zevran, tumblr:
http://dgaider.tumbl...sion-every-time
(SFW)

[frostajulie]

OMG Corker! Thanks for sharing that link. I'm all full of warm fuzzies for Zevran. Scratching beneath the surface of his character was indeed one of the many great rewards DAO offered the player. And Zev is definitely MY favorite romance and Most of my PC's were total rock and roll butterflies

[Bhryaen]

@Corker
Great link! Unlike many other games, it seems I'm liking Gaider's style more the more I play DAO...

@BloodsongVengance, @DeadlyHaven
Belated thanks. :-) I was just goofing around...

Another humorous photomoment at the culmination of my Dalish archer run. Sprinting onto the roof of Fort Drakon, the two Dalish (Dalishes?) emerge beneath the Archdemon's jaws... and break into a choreographed dance routine from Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly...


Feylathil: "Quickly, little brother! Let us begin our traditional Dalish Dragon Diversion Dance!"
Zevran: "No disrespect to our traditions, my friend, but now may not be the best time. The Archdemon appears to prefer dinner before the performance..."

[BloodsongVengeance]

hahhaha! dang, and i thought they looked really bamf and ready to fight! :X

[Bhryaen]

Belated kudos to Maradeux. Finally got to and through the Zevran "prequel" series. That did work- Zev leaving due to disruptions in the Crows and then returning due to getting "too close" to the Dalish. I like the Dalish spin on how he chose his tattoo. That's true though about the absurdity of adding tattoos to all Crow members, even ones supposed to do espionage- i.e., during which no Crow should be sporting a Crow tattoo. Maybe it's true about so many elves having tattoos that not having one would stand out, but, well, the Alienage doesn't have all that many tattooed elves. I also liked the revisionist rewrites of his problematic backstories, hadn't seen a couple of those loopholes. Anyway- very fun read. Poor Zev and his many tortures... Tortured to be a Crow, then tortured to pass the Rite of Initiation of the Dalish, then tortured upon returning to the Crows. Oh, I also liked Zev getting a crow as his "spirit animal," particularly as it worked with actual canon Dalish symbolism.

[Ewlar]

Zevran's Birthday!
Congratulations to all the fans happy Zevran!

And, of course ... Zevran, I congratulate you happy birthday!

[Bhryaen]

Just read some of Corker's poetry- got a hankerin'. A poem from Zevran's point of view... (OK, so it's not strictly iambic pentameter, but still...)

"The Lady with the Necklace"
Alas I informed her I would be taking her life
She took it well. In fact, she began to undress.
Her gown parted down the middle without a twitch of my knife.
It was a peculiar (but not uncommon) form of duress.

Well, when her gown parted, it was a marvelous sight.
For now visible to me were her most sumptuous, um, necklace.
Never have I seen such a necklace since that night.
Giddy I became, and, yes, a bit reckless.

Two rosy jewels on the necklace, both in dead center
Of perfectly round suppleness, shapely and subtle,
Were exquisite to behold from every angle I bent her
Her necklace tantalizing me as we tousled.

Enraptured I was, wholly thrilled and enamored,
But not ensorcelled and hapless as she seemed to think,
For when suddenly to my blade across the bed she clambered
It was but a shift for me turn the blade and into jewel sink.

Sadness was in both our eyes and also deep pleasure.
She thanked me for what had been a rare appreciation
Though I'd broken one of her most precious treasures.
She died just after, the end of a gorgeous creation.

Modifié par Bhryaen, 31 juillet 2013 - 10:54 .

[Ewlar]

Bhryaen, thanks for the poem.
I can not understand its quality (because I write in Russian), but the impression of the situation.

[ejoslin]

DeadlyHaven wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I try not to rage too hard at that one, since the dialogue *does* exist for romanced and dead Wardens. It's simply bugged, they'll never fix it, and we don't have a toolset for ejoslin to do it for us.

What's the dialogue? I'm really interested in what the dialogue changes would be. I wish I had a toolset.

I broke into the talk table awhile ago -- the dialog is definitely bugged there.  DA2 doesn't have a toolset, unfortunately, or else I would fix it.  I did yell a lot about it   Let me see if I can find one of the DA2 threads I posted in about that.

ETA: My ability to do  that again is about two hard drives ago -- and i never kept the text document either.  So off to search!


Another edit: Here is one of my posts about it which has the lines in it.

Modifié par ejoslin, 03 août 2013 - 01:32 .

[WingsandRings]

Corker wrote...

Gaider, Zevran, tumblr:
http://dgaider.tumbl...sion-every-time
(SFW)

Was anyone else surprised when David Gaider said that Zevran was the least popular romance? Maybe it's just because I spent most of the DA:O time on these boards fangirling, but I thought Zev was pretty popular to the people that actually bothered to go through his romance (I know that people who never tried often found him shallow...but seriously? Have they played Bioware games before? The characters are NEVER as they appear!)

Frankly, I would have guessed the least popular romance to be Leliana, little miss "I'm going to steal your eyelashes off your face like a creeper."

[Bhryaen]

WingsandRings wrote...

Was anyone else surprised when David Gaider said that Zevran was the least popular romance? Maybe it's just because I spent most of the DA:O time on these boards fangirling, but I thought Zev was pretty popular to the people that actually bothered to go through his romance (I know that people who never tried often found him shallow...but seriously? Have they played Bioware games before? The characters are NEVER as they appear

I just don't like Gaider's superattention to what's "popular." There are aspects to the game which are endearing in a way that may not be popular but add a depth that- because everyone experiences it rather than just getting cheap little popularity cookies- keeps a large fan base and interest in a whole world that may not be entirely made for them. Then again I seem to always find myself attracted to the losing end of what's considered popular, considering the alternative to be the best quality material. For DAO it's the dwarves and Zevran.

Speculation about why Zev doesn't get the romancing so much was had recently (well, within the last few pages of this thread)- things like the difficulty of integrating Zev's class skills into the active party being a big factor as well as his coming much later in the game than the other male romance.

His initial conversations are also on the edgy side (rather than the stupidly affable side which Alistair excels at)- comments like "There are just some people who need assassinating" or "I like the power of having someone's life in my hands. You too?" Taken with cold rationality it's not that sanguinary: some Loghain kidnappers do need assassinating, and it can be quite gratifying to have the slaver boss' life in one's hands (rather than him having all those elves' lives in his hands). But Zev's initial dialog can come across more gratuitously violent... and not exactly charmingly. And any honest player will recognize that they share this interest, but, well... may not want to. In other words he doesn't fit the idealistic, dashing "good guy" image so well, so he's already got that against him.

Zev is also not moody and temperamental- i.e., "emotional"- so romancing him involves a matter of coming to a common understanding- even just an understanding about mutual sexual attraction- rather than swooning. Passion isn't going to be a matter of awkwardness tumbling over into a relationship but something a lot more straightforward and based on building genuine trust and devotion. He won't come to you early on with a flower to place you in an ultimatum of disapproval, so you get no extra pressure to be with him either. The earring he offers is only after you've gotten quite close to him  already. He doesn't play Mr. Cute who dodges questions. He just actually is funny and clever and instantly answers your questions to the best of his ability- if he considers your query worthy of an answer, of course. He's also not judgmental... unless you go being scuz to Dalish in his presence, I suppose. He takes you as you are and accepts you throughout the game as a result. He'll offer commentary in various situations that's again not the "good guy" sort but which nevertheless does come across as sensible (as opposed to some of Morrigan's "not-so-good-guy" comments which are simple preference for being rude)- and he surrenders gracefully to persuasion otherwise. I think most storybook romances paint a veneer of virtue on the act of becoming romantically involved, and Zev really doesn't require such a thing.

Plus Zev has the more controversial background- one of emerging from no real upbringing, just a forced recruitment from a wh0rehouse to an assassin's organization, bought like a slave, tortured, knowing plenty of suffering and hardship. He's no royal brat with nice royal connections and a relatively sheltered life to sweeten the deal of a relationship. He's made his own way against heavy odds and has only himself- his wit and worldliness (and some say sexiness haha)- to offer. He needs no "hardening..." not even in the tent. (joke) He's already savvy and self-sufficient- and doesn't need your character's approval or friendship or romance... but highly appreciates it. It's a level of maturity that not every player sustains or prefers- probably not the majority.

Anyway, just my speculation as to how Zev's romance has ended up getting overlooked...

WingsandRings wrote... (not Corker)
Frankly, I would have guessed the least popular romance to be Leliana, little miss "I'm going to steal your eyelashes off your face like a creeper."

Not sure Lel seems like an eyelash thief (or what a "creeper" is), but I'd have thought Leliana's romance less popular due to her dullardly religiosity and "girly" preoccupations- which comprise about 90% of her dialog (the bard stuff is good, I suppose). But, like I mentioned, I have no finger on the pulse of the world gamer popularity standards as apparently does Gaider... I have yet to do a playthrough with a HN past Lothering or a Leliana romance...

@Ewlar
Well, the quality of the rhymes in my poem is ok- pretty much matches up- and the syllabic count is probably not too terribly far off. The content though is a matter of preference. ;-)

Modifié par Bhryaen, 03 août 2013 - 05:06 .

[WingsandRings]

Bhryaen wrote...


Not sure Lel seems like an eyelash thief (or what a "creeper" is), but I'd have thought Leliana's romance less popular due to her dullardly religiosity and "girly" preoccupations- which comprise about 90% of her dialog (the bard stuff is good, I suppose). But, like I mentioned, I have no finger on the pulse of the world gamer popularity standards as apparently does Gaider... I have yet to do a playthrough with a HN past Lothering or a Leliana romance...

After you sleep with Leliana, she will deliver a line about watching you sleep and thinking your eyelashes are so cute they she wants to put them in a jar. I can't remember the exact quote, and I don't think it was the writer's or the actress's intention to be creepy (just a little silly and girlish), but I remember having a definite "ewwww" moment when she said it.

Modifié par WingsandRings, 03 août 2013 - 05:25 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Zev gets overlooked as a friend as much as a romance, IMO, which I tend to think is sadder.

[ejoslin]

Bhryean, great post!  Wow, rereading it now.

But I will say, while Zevran doesn't need to be hardened, he needs to be softened -- he needs to learn that there is at least one strong and powerful person who is not only out for themselves. That's why I find the Taliesen encounter and the aftertalk so interesting. If, in that talk you tell him you only did what you had to do, the flag that allows him to fall in love/become friendly is reset.

ETA: And yes, Leliana's after sex talk gave me the absolute creeps.  I suppose some people would find it cute and endearing, but yeh, it's just weird.  It's kind of funny as there's another bug there where if you try to break up wtih her in a few of the dialogs, the breakup doesn't actually work.  So you have sex with her, she gives her fatal attraction-ish aftertalk, and if you tell her she's crazy and then try to break up wtih her, she still is all lovey-dovey in quite a few circumstances.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 03 août 2013 - 12:48 .

[Bhryaen]

Great- now everyone spoiled the fresh, unpredictable experience I'd have had romancing Loopy Lurker Lel. Gosh, what a loss. OK, if that's the case though, then "eyelash thief" and "creeper" sound a lot more appropriate. Yet another layer of yeesh to add to the repugnance I tend to have for her...

@SoLD
Also true...

@ejoslin
Zev does need to find and embrace his tender side, but there's no special online record of his "softening" like Alistair's "hardening" where it actually says it explicitly. I chuckled when I saw this the first time:


A momentous event for the virginal, young Prince Charming wannabe

When you say the flag is "reset," do you mean that a romance is still possible at that point, just set back a lot, or that it's now not available at all? I suppose the latter sounds more correct- the default being no romance until triggered and now no way to trigger it.

OK, just a screenie at Landsmeet during my last playthrough with Feylathil...

[Corker]

Faerunner wrote...
 "Did you know your eyelashes flutter while you sleep? And you have such pretty eyelashes... They're like little butterflies... I want to catch them and keep them in a jar." Imagine if she dropped the word "lashes" from that statement...

Huh.  Then I wonder if Isabela's, "You have such pretty eyes" to Fenris is a callback to this?  (Although Isabela is trying for the creepy bloody pirate thing in that dialogue.)

[ejoslin]

Bhryaen wrote...

@ejoslin
Zev does need to find and embrace his tender side, but there's no special online record of his "softening" like Alistair's "hardening" where it actually says it explicitly. I chuckled when I saw this the first time:
 <snip picture>
A momentous event for the virginal, young Prince Charming wannabe

When you say the flag is "reset," do you mean that a romance is still possible at that point, just set back a lot, or that it's now not available at all? I suppose the latter sounds more correct- the default being no romance until triggered and now no way to trigger it.

Oh yeh, I know that Alistair can be hardened, and has different dialog based on that.  Same with Leliana, though most of that dialog is bugged completely (Leliana is the most bugged of the companions, actually -- far worse than even Zevran).

When I say the flag is reset, I mean that it is unset.  There's a flag that is set after everyone's personal quest, "Friendly_or_Love_Eligible" which allows for the relationship to change to friendly or in love once approval gets high enough.  This flag, for Zevran, can be set in the conversation that happens immediately after Taliesen (though there are a few branches in that conversation that actually don't).  But in the conversation in camp where he thanks you for freeing him from the crows, if you tell him you just did what you had to do, it unsets the flag and while this doesn't cause the relationship to tank, it will make the relationship be either at warm or care/adore (depending on how high the approval) where it will stay.

[Sheridan2010]

I remember in this thread someone said that Zevran in DAI will not be, because BioWare have other plans? Can link to this post, I can not find it.