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[Klidi]

Which mod crashed? I have all mods related to Zev, so maybe I can help. 

[BloodsongVengeance]

i'm still here!

 

 

uhm... no, wait.  no, i'm not.  but i did update my 'ridiculously awesome' thread bookmark today.  :X

 

 

 

hey, ARO!

 

didn't know i had to come here to find updates about ya.  hope things are going well. 

oh, and deviant art?  i haven't been there in a while... having another burnout.  can't even look at art lately.  :(

 

 

[Klidi]

A question for discussion: suppose Zevran went to Antiva and became a guildmaster of the Crows. Then, the Warden comes and they return to Ferelden. Do you think the Crows would still try to hunt him down? (Ignore the DA2 Zevbomination now, please xD).

 

That is - once he's in Ferelden, he's not a guildmaster anymore, right? But they wouldn't probably turn against him again immediately. How long you think an organisation such as the Crows would be loyal to ex-Crow ex-guildmaster? Would they not do it, for the sake of the image, or would they try to delete even the slightest trace of his existence?

[Xetykins]

I dont believe zev would just leave the guild without appointing anyone he sort of trust though. In that case he will remain off limits to contracts. He does not strike me as an irresponsible type.

[Corker]

A question for discussion: suppose Zevran went to Antiva and became a guildmaster of the Crows. Then, the Warden comes and they return to Ferelden. Do you think the Crows would still try to hunt him down? (Ignore the DA2 Zevbomination now, please xD).

 

That is - once he's in Ferelden, he's not a guildmaster anymore, right? But they wouldn't probably turn against him again immediately. How long you think an organisation such as the Crows would be loyal to ex-Crow ex-guildmaster? Would they not do it, for the sake of the image, or would they try to delete even the slightest trace of his existence?

 

As I understand it, the Crows don't let anybody leave as a way of controlling their rank and file.  They buy at least some of their canon fodder as slaves who don't necesarily have any loyalty to the organization; but since Crows have to be able to operate independently in the field for long stretches of time, they need a leash to make sure they return to their nests.  On the one hand, there are the material rewards of being a Crow (respect, money, wine, etc. - the carrot) and on the other, the threat of death if you ever leave (the stick).

 

I think a lot would depend on how Zevran conducted himself in Ferelden.  It is a far-away place of little consequence, after all.  Were he to keep his head mostly down, and not stand at the top of Fort Drakon and shout, "I am the former Guildmaster of the Antivan Crows!", well... who cares?  So the Guildmaster disappeared and there's a new one.  That happens what, every 5-7 years?  People probably assume the old one is dead in an alley somewhere.  So long as that perception remains in place, there's no real pressing reason to undertake a seriously risky assassination job which could result in the Hero of Ferelden crashing down on the Crows, if successful. 

 

Now if Zev goes and makes a nuisance of himself, trying to show that the Crows aren't so powerful after all, look he walked away, hahaha... they can't ignore that.

[Aroihkin]

i'm still here!

 

 

uhm... no, wait.  no, i'm not.  but i did update my 'ridiculously awesome' thread bookmark today.  :X

 

 

 

hey, ARO!

 

didn't know i had to come here to find updates about ya.  hope things are going well. 

oh, and deviant art?  i haven't been there in a while... having another burnout.  can't even look at art lately. 

 

Well, really to find updates about me, one should go to my DreamWidth. Especially if you make an account and have me friend it, since I do lock some stuff nowadays to keep it away from various people.

 

 

As I understand it, the Crows don't let anybody leave as a way of controlling their rank and file.  They buy at least some of their canon fodder as slaves who don't necesarily have any loyalty to the organization; but since Crows have to be able to operate independently in the field for long stretches of time, they need a leash to make sure they return to their nests.  On the one hand, there are the material rewards of being a Crow (respect, money, wine, etc. - the carrot) and on the other, the threat of death if you ever leave (the stick).

 

I think a lot would depend on how Zevran conducted himself in Ferelden.  It is a far-away place of little consequence, after all.  Were he to keep his head mostly down, and not stand at the top of Fort Drakon and shout, "I am the former Guildmaster of the Antivan Crows!", well... who cares?  So the Guildmaster disappeared and there's a new one.  That happens what, every 5-7 years?  People probably assume the old one is dead in an alley somewhere.  So long as that perception remains in place, there's no real pressing reason to undertake a seriously risky assassination job which could result in the Hero of Ferelden crashing down on the Crows, if successful. 

 

Now if Zev goes and makes a nuisance of himself, trying to show that the Crows aren't so powerful after all, look he walked away, hahaha... they can't ignore that.

 

Yeah, I mean, Zevran was going to do death-by-cop (Warden) instead of trying to just... escape. That's how ingrained it was that it's impossible.

 

Personally I enjoy him making it his life's work to taunt the Crows and live. XD But it's quite possible he could slip away without too much impact on his future in Ferelden, as you say. Ignacio, if alive, isn't stupid enough to take contracts on him. Anyone else would have to travel quite a ways, and if the Warden is alive... well, they surely realize by now that the Warden will step in to support him.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

A question for discussion: suppose Zevran went to Antiva and became a guildmaster of the Crows. Then, the Warden comes and they return to Ferelden. Do you think the Crows would still try to hunt him down? (Ignore the DA2 Zevbomination now, please xD).
 
That is - once he's in Ferelden, he's not a guildmaster anymore, right? But they wouldn't probably turn against him again immediately. How long you think an organisation such as the Crows would be loyal to ex-Crow ex-guildmaster? Would they not do it, for the sake of the image, or would they try to delete even the slightest trace of his existence?

I think that on top of what Corker said, it'd depend on who gets in power later. The next guildmaster might be loyal to Zevran, but (s)he's not going to be in charge forever. On top of that, it's not entirely clear that what the Big Cheese Crow says is going to be obeyed. This may be one of the perils of granting cells autonomy to pick and choose contracts, even have alliances and rivalries. Look at Taliesen. He was willing to take Zevran back into the fold and lie to the Crows about his joining the Wardens.

From the letter you can find in DA2 at the end of Zev's quest, it looks like the Crows are divided amongst themselves on certain...guild policies. Some masters are swayed to Zevran's side, others (as we see in DA2) are actively trying to kill him (albeit possibly only because Zev's in bloody Antiva shaking things up on a personal level). It's possible they'd leave him alone if he went away and never bothered them again. OTOH, he's currently proving he has the skill to almost single-handedly subvert the House of Crows on their own turf, and how many guildmasters would want a person like that around, even if they're in far-away Ferelden?

[Klidi]

Thanks! Hm... all interesting and valid points.

 

Yes, since this specific Warden caused a Blizzard in Antiva that those who witnessed it will talk about to their grandchildren, I think the Crows know he would support Zevran and that they're not welcome in Ferelden. And Zevran wouldn't taunt them further, or brag about being an ex-guildmaster to anyone, if they let him be.

 

But death happens, more often when Crows are involved. >.> I can't imagine Crows wouldn't try to arrange an 'accident', unless Zevran had some support in the Crows. Thing is, if he keeps his head down, why would they support him? They wouldn't do it for free, I don't think. But I can't think of anything he could offer them, and I don't know how long their loyalty would last without it.

[Corker]

Non destare il can che dorme. Don't wake the dog that sleeps. Especially when the dog is a Fereldan mabari.

 

It could easily depend on the temperment of the new guildmaster.  The Crows overall work for hire.  Who would pay for this "accident," for a challenging target, in a faraway and unpleasant land?  Nobody; it's internal Crow business.  So somebody inside the Crows has to think it is important enough to spend the resources to address.  Maybe a master with a personal vendetta?  But it has to be a compelling reason, because every man, woman and elf you put onto taking out Zevran is one you don't have in Antiva, to compete with the other masters.

 

Or the guildmaster could make it a priority and order the cells to follow (or offer sufficient incentive that they'll compete for it).  My default motivation for many NPCs is "don't start none, won't be none," but you could certainly craft a guildmaster who was paranoid - either in the technical sense, or just someone who really, really doesn't like to leave loose threads unsnipped.  Or you show how his departure and survival has led to the Crows' appearing weaker.  There just needs to be a plausible reason, I think.  In Origins, when he was a mid-ranking agent gone rogue, it made sense to make an example of him.  The cost was low - Taliesin, a few of the rank and file, plus enough gold to hire help.  Things have quite evidently escalated beyond that. It will be expensive to take Zev out, and that cost needs a benefit.

 

Maybe it just helps the guildmaster sleep at night, I dunno.  But you'll want to establish something as a motivator.

[gottaloveme]

Okay - so who is the person Zev regrets killing more than any other? I only get a story from him about the mage that fell out of the carriage.

[Mike3207]

Okay - so who is the person Zev regrets killing more than any other? I only get a story from him about the mage that fell out of the carriage.

Rinna-a former love of his.

[Corker]

Okay - so who is the person Zev regrets killing more than any other? I only get a story from him about the mage that fell out of the carriage.

He won't tell you that story until after his companion quest in Denerim, and his approval has to be high enough (I think it's Warm for a friend and Love for a romance? but it's been a loooong time).

[Tommy6860]

He won't tell you that story until after his companion quest in Denerim, and his approval has to be high enough (I think it's Warm for a friend and Love for a romance? but it's been a loooong time).

 

Also, though Zev will not elaborate, the Guardian in the Urn of Sacred Ashes quest quizzes Zev on this and Zev will not answer. Not sure how Zev answers according to his level of freindship/love for the GW though, been a while.

[TheMadHarridan]

Zevran will tell a romanced Warden about Rinna once you hit "adore," no matter if you've done the Taliesen attack or not. I can't remember the exact approval number, but it's somewhere in the "adore" range.

 

Zevran will only tell a friendship Warden about Rinna once you hit "friendly," and that can't happen until after the Taliesen attack in Denerim. So friends must wait longer to hear this story.

 

He responds to the Guardian of the Urn of Sacred Ashes the exact same way, no matter if he is romanced or not.

 

It's a sad story, so make sure you are nice and understanding unless your goal is to royally tick him off.

[TaHol]

Zevran/Male-Warden Romance, and I was not stingy with smooching:

 

 

I used all the essential mods: Dialogue Tweaks, ZevRing, ZevranKisses, Gatekiss and ZevranASAP. My mage was modded to have Dalish origins.

 

If there was a cutscene  where Zevran opened his mouth, I used it. There is some party banter too, but only some. My patience ended there, getting even those I absolutely wanted got on my nerves ( I am not famous of my patience...). Ending included, because I wanted to. And I included my hassle with Morrigans sex-rite...my intention was to make Alistair do it, and then my quilty conciense took better of me, lol! So this is not a masterpiece of art, but there is Zevran!

 

[gottaloveme]

Thanks for your answers and while I usually romance (mumbles) I always have a soft spot for Zev and want him to be safe and warm in my friendship. Maybe like an annoying little brother who is also a hot assassin elf - that didn't pan well did it? Creepy.

[Aroihkin]

Did some artwork! Doesn't have a lot of Zev visible in it but, he's there. XD

 

 

Very late-timeline S&S shenanigans. (Click the picture to go to it on deviant art.)

 

Sadly, my computer isn't handling digital painting so well anymore, so this may be the last photoderp-painted thing I can do until I scrounge up the cash for tower parts. Which I'm working on, but it's probably going to be november before it happens.

 

I have a really neat idea for a Fenris and Zevran romance picture but it needs photoderp if I'm going to pull off the effect I have in mind. Ah well, at least I can still do line art. And ms paint, for stuff that suits that style. XD

[Xetykins]

Did some artwork! Doesn't have a lot of Zev visible in it but, he's there. XD
 

 
Very late-timeline S&S shenanigans. (Click the picture to go to it on deviant art.)
 
Sadly, my computer isn't handling digital painting so well anymore, so this may be the last photoderp-painted thing I can do until I scrounge up the cash for tower parts. Which I'm working on, but it's probably going to be november before it happens.
 
I have a really neat idea for a Fenris and Zevran romance picture but it needs photoderp if I'm going to pull off the effect I have in mind. Ah well, at least I can still do line art. And ms paint, for stuff that suits that style. XD

Zev is the one holding on the left, and fenris on the right. Whos the punching bag? Beautiful but slightly disturbing artwork btw :-)

[Aroihkin]

That'd be one of my fanfic Wardens, Tannusen Surana, struggling with the taint. :3

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Found this snippet when I was cleaning out my hard drive. Enjoy

HAVE YOU SEEN THIS ELF?

This bold, large-lettered text was printed directly below an artist’s impression of an elven visage. Three distinct curving lines marked one side of his face, and the sidelong glance-and-grin through wayward strands of blond hair was so well-drawn in its lewdness that Asleena Cousland couldn’t look at it for very long without developing an urge to blush.

“Huh,” Alistair said beside her, also staring at the poster. “I wonder who drew it? I mean, it’s pretty good; it’s definitely him. I wonder if the artist knows him? Do you think he posed for it?”

Asleena grinned wryly. “So they could get his good side? I wouldn’t put it past him.” She tore the thing down. There was a reward printed on it as well, though the figure was in the Antivan andri and she didn’t know how much that was yet. There were so many zeros on the end that the sum looked astronomical.

“Wonder what he’s done to have a price on his head,” Alistair mused as the two of them continued walking down the docks of Antiva City. “Besides, you know, leaving the Crows. Maybe he’s murdered someone. Or ravished an Antivan princess. Or both!”

“I’m sure we’ll be able to find out without too much trouble,” Asleena murmured, nodding towards the harbourside taverns and warehouses, several of which were all but plastered with posters of Zevran Arainai.

Leering.

“Maker’s breath, that’s creepy. And I can’t even ask you to make him stop, which is so not fair. Aren’t wanted posters supposed to make the person look all demented and evil, like some psychotic villain?”

The other Warden raised an amused brow. “You’d prefer a hundred posters of Zevran looking at you like he wanted to kill you and do interesting things with your corpse?”

“Ah…” Alistair coughed. “Riiight, when you put it that way, maybe not. Look, let’s just go inside and ask around. Those things are seriously creeping me out.”

[gottaloveme]

@ shadow of Light Dragon

 

This is good - made me smile. I suppose the posters would be a really big rather small

[Ajadea]

I laughed. Thanks.

 

...So, Zev's not actually making an appearance in Inquisition. There's content for if he's alive, and some if he's romanced, but none in which he shows up. Not sure if I'm disappointed that we won't get to see him in Frostbite graphics or relieved that there's no chance of something glitchy and horrible like the DA2 cameo. What do you think he's doing that's more important than taking a trip to Orlais to see about this elven rebellion/civil war/big new fancy order shaking up the south?

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Jon Curry (Zevran's VO) is going to be doing a male Inquisitor voice in DAI. This might be why Zevran won't be making an appearance.