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[Zetheria Tabris]

 

Hi thread! Stopping by to drop this off.

 

Modern DA interpretation of Zevran:

See the rest: http://klc-journei.t...an-more-i-never

 

 

I'm really not trying to start any arguments, but I thought I'd get answers here. I saw that modern AU Zevran poster on Tumblr. The first thing I think is "he looks great, he just needs the face tat and a tan." Then I see that people are upset about it because they said that Zevran was whitewashed. Until then, I assumed that Zevran was white (if he were a human in our world), just extremely tanned. But they said that he was confirmed by Bioware to be a person of color. Is this true?

[robertmarilyn]

 

I'm really not trying to start any arguments, but I thought I'd get answers here. I saw that modern AU Zevran poster on Tumblr. The first thing I think is "he looks great, he just needs the face tat and a tan." Then I see that people are upset about it because they said that Zevran was whitewashed. Until then, I assumed that Zevran was white (if he were a human in our world), just extremely tanned. But they said that he was confirmed by Bioware to be a person of color. Is this true?

 

 

I think he's like Josephine in DAI. They are both a people of color, as are most people from Antiva. 

[springacres]

I agree.  Zev's skintone is fairly typical of someone with a Mediterranean origin IRL, which fits with his being Antivan IG.  Vincento and Nuncio from DA II also have similar skintones.

[Remmirath]

Yes, I think that's the case. Almost (if not all) of the characters we've seen from Antiva have similar skintones, although they do vary somewhat by game, so it seems safe to me to say that's a generally Antivan trait. Of course, how well the engine has handled various skintones changes game by game, so it's not entirely consistent -- but if I recall correctly (it's been a while since I made a new character), Zevran's skintone is one of the last ones if not the last in the DA:O character creator before it gets into the unfortunately-purplish darkest skintones.

[LadyKarrakaz]

Had to post this one when I saw it on tumblr

 

[Alvarie]

Hi, everyone! I was wondering if the promptings are still going on. and does anyone else thinks the disney song, "I won't say I'm in Love" fit with zevran?

[springacres]

This thread is way too quiet lately.

 

Also, I have been a bad Zev fangirl as I keep trying for the Supplier achievement in DA2 instead of replaying Origins like I should.  (That, and summer school.)

[LadyKarrakaz]

Source Miss you Zev.

 

[springacres]

O_O That was a FAST sketch???

 

My art skills are limited to screenshots and VERY basic photo editing, so I am in awe of anyone's skills who can draw like that.

[LadyKarrakaz]

O_O That was a FAST sketch???

 

My art skills are limited to screenshots and VERY basic photo editing, so I am in awe of anyone's skills who can draw like that.

 So am I.

 

Especially when these skill draw such a lovely crow

[Alvarie]

I was on tumblr and found this:

 

"tbh (and this is a stretch but w/e) zevran’s inability to pick locks but insistence that he can is both a great joke and kinda sad and so it’s extremely exemplary of who he is as a person

he can’t do the thing. but he’s offering to do the thing anyway. 

like, he can’t really protect you from hordes of darkspawn, tal vashoth, dragons and large waves of bandits, but he repeatedly says he will do so nonetheless. he can fight for and with you, but by himself, even as a skilled fighter, he’s not built to go for hours and hours and hours of solid combat. he takes out so many of the guild masters of the crows because he carefully picks them off. zevran is a talented motherfucker, for all his mishaps, but he’s still with you even

you look at your inner circle. if alistair is the friend you fight for, morrigan is the friend who helps you get out of trouble when she puts you there, leliana is the friend who’d take care of you when you’re at the absolute lowest, etc etc… but zevran is the guy who’d be right there beside you even when it highly inconveniences him. and it does. frequently.

in the end, he’s right there beside you at the gates. in the end, he’s the love interest who goes with you in search of your calling. in the end, you became the most important thing to him that should your warden perish, he’s morning you for decades down the road even though you only were together mb a year and that hurts my ****** soul so badly." http://fuckyeaharain...s-a-stretch-but

 

and I was wonder what you guys thought of it. Since, i thought it was a sweet explaination for zev being not so great at picking locks other then that he was lying. 

[springacres]

That's so cute and sweet it makes my teeth hurt.  Plus it totally sounds like something Zevran might do.  (Although I generally give him the lock picking skill as soon as I can, since that's the kind of skill that could come in handy for an assassin anyway.)

[springacres]

Browsing dA and found this:

http://audelade.devi...t/Zev-490045164

(leaving it as a link, since the artist wants reblogs rather than reposts)

 

But.  RAWR.

[paramitch]

Just a quick thank-you to this and the previous thread! I found Zev kind of tiresome at first glance, and very shallow -- part of this was the writing, which at first is very heavily all "can you teach me to be an assassin?" and "how great is being an assassin?" etc., which I just had a hard time with.

 

But these threads made me realize that Zev is one of the richest characters in the game, and although my mage didn't romance him, she was, after some patient character exploration and Q&A's (despite her 80+ hours invested in Alistair as LI), seriously tempted.

 

He's definitely one of the best, richest and most loyal characters in the game, and a great investment to those who bring him along on missions. And the ending was very touching, as he's still unshakable and still right there, going, "Where next?"

 

If I do another DAO playthrough, I def plan to romance Zev. Wonderful character, and so full of joy and humor (when he shouldn't be, which makes him even better).

[SherryGold]

Hello, Zev fans. I'm happy to see that I'm not the only one who appreciates both his character and his fighting abilities. Zevran is the reason I play Origins over and over again. I couldn't play Awakening and DAII more than just once. Somehow, playing a game without Zevran seems so hollow and I really hated what they did to Zevran's appearance in DAII. I still can't decide though whether Zevran is more awesome as a dex rogue or a cunning rogue. I think defence and attack score 100 isn't enough against elites ( he gets hit now and then if I stop raising his dex after both scores reach 100), but high cunning seems to let him do more damage.

[SherryGold]

He's definitely one of the best, richest and most loyal characters in the game, and a great investment to those who bring him along on missions. And the ending was very touching, as he's still unshakable and still right there, going, "Where next?"

 

 

Agreed and I admire Zevran's character for that. He doesn't feel sorry for himself and try to make most of what he has. And in my experience, he was the best fighter, versatile and quick, in my team. He was indispensable, made me laugh, made the game experience so much richer.

[SherryGold]

I was on tumblr and found this:

 

"tbh (and this is a stretch but w/e) zevran’s inability to pick locks but insistence that he can is both a great joke and kinda sad and so it’s extremely exemplary of who he is as a person

he can’t do the thing. but he’s offering to do the thing anyway. 

like, he can’t really protect you from hordes of darkspawn, tal vashoth, dragons and large waves of bandits, but he repeatedly says he will do so nonetheless. he can fight for and with you, but by himself, even as a skilled fighter, he’s not built to go for hours and hours and hours of solid combat. he takes out so many of the guild masters of the crows because he carefully picks them off. zevran is a talented motherfucker, for all his mishaps, but he’s still with you even

you look at your inner circle. if alistair is the friend you fight for, morrigan is the friend who helps you get out of trouble when she puts you there, leliana is the friend who’d take care of you when you’re at the absolute lowest, etc etc… but zevran is the guy who’d be right there beside you even when it highly inconveniences him. and it does. frequently.

in the end, he’s right there beside you at the gates. in the end, he’s the love interest who goes with you in search of your calling. in the end, you became the most important thing to him that should your warden perish, he’s morning you for decades down the road even though you only were together mb a year and that hurts my ****** soul so badly." http://fuckyeaharain...s-a-stretch-but

 

and I was wonder what you guys thought of it. Since, i thought it was a sweet explaination for zev being not so great at picking locks other then that he was lying. 

You know that interpretation is lovely. But Zevran didn't lie when he said he could pick locks. Without lockpick skills, he could only pick 5 XP locks but your mage and warrior warden has no chance to pick any locks. So, it isn't a lie, just a little exaggeration of his abilities.

[Qun00]

Do you guys think there is a contradiction in sparing Zevran but killing Loghain and vice versa?

[Illegitimus]

Do you guys think there is a contradiction in sparing Zevran but killing Loghain and vice versa?

 

No.  Zevran had no obligations to us that he betrayed and did me no actual harm.  Also he's a commoner and an elf, not a human nobleman.  Thus he doesn't fit into the target parameters of my City Elf's motto.

 

"Gotta stab 'em all!"

[springacres]

Do you guys think there is a contradiction in sparing Zevran but killing Loghain and vice versa?

No.  Killing Zev doesn't solve any problems, since you still have to deal with Loghain.  Sparing and recruiting him, on the other hand, not only gets you a useful new ally but has the potential to send a powerful message to Loghain when you meet him in Denerim.

 

Also, my M!Surana wasn't overly impressed by Loghain at Ostagar, whereas by the end of his second conversation with Zev he wanted to wrap the guy up and protect him from anything bad that might happen to him.  My Warden had been romancing Leliana at the time, but after Zev showed up, they clicked on a level he and Leliana never quite did.  (Surprised the hell out of me, because I'd played this character in other canons for 7+ years and would have sworn he was straight.)

Modifié par springacres, 21 novembre 2015 - 10:18 .

[Fylimar]

Browsing dA and found this:

http://audelade.devi...t/Zev-490045164

(leaving it as a link, since the artist wants reblogs rather than reposts)

 

But.  RAWR.

 

I haven't played Inqusition yet, is that quote under the picture something he says in a cameo in Inquisition? It's a great picture

 

I personally can not have enough Zevran. He is by far my favorite companion in DAO.

 

About not killing Zevran: From my wardens pov, it's the right thing to do - he is skilled and has some knowledge how to get to places, he shouldn't be. And he of course did only his job. I never kill Jowan either, he thought, he redeems himself by helping the official ruler of Ferelden, he knows nothing of Loghains betrayal (neither does Zevran). When he poisioned the Arl, he thought, he's doing it for his government.

[springacres]

I haven't played Inqusition yet, is that quote under the picture something he says in a cameo in Inquisition? It's a great picture.

I haven't played Inquisition yet either, but I think it's more of a paraphrase of one of the epilogue slides from Origins plus a letter from a Warden who romanced him.  Totally in character for my favorite chaotic good elven rogue, though.

[Fylimar]

I haven't played Inquisition yet either, but I think it's more of a paraphrase of one of the epilogue slides from Origins plus a letter from a Warden who romanced him.  Totally in character for my favorite chaotic good elven rogue, though.

 

Yep, it's a great quote and it would fit my dalish elven mage too :-)

[Ghost Gal]

No.  Zevran had no obligations to us that he betrayed and did me no actual harm.  Also he's a commoner and an elf, not a human nobleman.  Thus he doesn't fit into the target parameters of my City Elf's motto.

 

"Gotta stab 'em all!"

 

Pretty much this.

 

Zevran came to Ferelden to do one thing: go after surviving Wardens. He fails, his life is forfeit. In the end, no harm was done (unless you decide to kill him), and he's not a threat to anyone since he's either going to help you against the Blight or try not to draw attention to himself so the Crows won't kill him.

 

Loghain is a backstabbing traitor who promised aid to countless people and then betrayed and abandoned them to die (the king, the king's army, the Grey Wardens, Uldred and his rebel mages, Isolde, Jowan), causing the deaths of thousands of people by darkspawn, the enslavement of dozens more (when the whole reason he tries to justify the former is is to maintain Ferelden's "freedom"), and nearly got the country wiped off the map because of his own arrogance and stupidity. He also enabled Howe's butchery, kidnapping and torturing of nobles (and even a Templar), purge of the alienage and enslavement of elves. He also refused to see reason or compromise or cooperate with people he'd insanely and paranoidly labeled "Orlesian spies" until it was almost too late, and is pretty much responsible for most deaths during the Blight (and the country nearly getting swallowed by the Blight).

 

So no, I don't see any contradiction in sparing Zevran but executing Loghain, because their "crimes" are vastly different, and the latter did far more harm to far more people than the former.

[GoldenGail3]

I haven't played Inquisition yet either, but I think it's more of a paraphrase of one of the epilogue slides from Origins plus a letter from a Warden who romanced him. Totally in character for my favorite chaotic good elven rogue, though.

Spoiler

No.... He only has a War Table Camoe in Inquisiton. Not a physical one.... Really.