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[Alvarie]

So, I started another game, with a dalish warden, and she had just finished redcliffe. so when she got to camp she had a talk with alistair and she activiated the romance. then she talked to zevran, got into the tent and ended up with the after talk. ( I think this has been discussed before, but I'm not sure if it was a post I saw on tumblr or if it was here.) Zevran positioned himself so that the warden would have full view of alistair, (a guilt trip I'm sure, which works, if It was my first play through and I was hooked on alistar, but now, not so much. ) I reloaded, this time, my warden didn't activate the romance with alistiar, got in the tent with zevran, and zevran still positioned himself so the warden would see alistair. 

 

what gives! My warden isn't even in a romance with alistair. is this some kind of subtle hint that zevran is slightly bothered by the warden having feelings for another at the same time as having feelings for him. is it to rub it into alistair's face ? (he tried to beautiful line on her, and she brushed it off with " when you have a firm opinion on it, so will I" as she wanted a clear indication of interest not a subtle one.)

 

I have no idea why. just. any thoughts on this?

 

I think zevran is doing it on purpose, regardless of if the alistair romance is active. I'm just wondering what is his motive. or if he is pulling alistair's tail... hmmm. 

[springacres]

That's an interesting headcanon.  I did something similar once, except it was with Morrigan's romance rather than Alistair's... and, wanting to break it off right away, I mistakenly clicked Zevran instead (we were in Orzammar at the time) so of course I got his jealousy dialogue as opposed to Morrigan's.  If you trigger his jealousy dialogue, he claims he's open to 'sharing', but I personally suspect that he's either been conditioned to accept that or that he's saying that to avoid the possibility of being dumped if the Warden isn't inclined to be monogamous.

[Alvarie]

That's an interesting headcanon.  I did something similar once, except it was with Morrigan's romance rather than Alistair's... and, wanting to break it off right away, I mistakenly clicked Zevran instead (we were in Orzammar at the time) so of course I got his jealousy dialogue as opposed to Morrigan's.  If you trigger his jealousy dialogue, he claims he's open to 'sharing', but I personally suspect that he's either been conditioned to accept that or that he's saying that to avoid the possibility of being dumped if the Warden isn't inclined to be monogamous.

 

Hm, I liked the idea of zevran being conditioned to accept 'sharing', considering that he was in a threesome with rinna and talisen. however, given his relationship with rinna and talisen, isn't monogamous, he shouldn't really have a problem with the warden not being monogamous. ( I have no idea if I'm getting the meaning across. )

 

It's just. why making the warden have alistair in their view, after having sex with zevran. and not, say morrigan or lelianna. 

 

I think most of the party assumes that the warden is close to alistair, as they are both wardens. and there is a kinship due to both of them being in the wardens. could this be a source of jealously on zevran's part. ( But I could be over reading this. )

[springacres]

Hm, I liked the idea of zevran being conditioned to accept 'sharing', considering that he was in a threesome with rinna and talisen. however, given his relationship with rinna and talisen, isn't monogamous, he shouldn't really have a problem with the warden not being monogamous. ( I have no idea if I'm getting the meaning across. )

No, I get what you're saying, and I understand your point.  I just feel like that was a case where all three parties involved were romantically involved with one another - like it was a polyamorous relationship as opposed to an open relationship.  Although given the nature of their work as Crows, it was also an open relationship, but one that all three of them acknowledged was open.  And even then, he may not have been comfortable with it as an open relationship.  (Am I making sense here?)

 

However, much of this is likely best left to headcanon, so we may just have to agree to disagree on this point.

[Alvarie]

Can you elaborate on the " he may not have been comfortable with it as an open relationship."?

 

Since Zevran with the Warden was an open relationship and he seemed fine with it. 

[springacres]

Can you elaborate on the " he may not have been comfortable with it as an open relationship."?

 

Since Zevran with the Warden was an open relationship and he seemed fine with it. 

I admit that was partly my headcanon, but part of it was based on a playthrough (which I had to reload because my canon Warden didn't like the way it turned out) where Zev and the Warden had a threesome with Isabela.  His response afterwards is that it brings back bad memories for him, and while it may not be indicative of how he feels about open relationships, it was hard for me to see it any other way.

[SherryGold]

Zevran's killing blow screenshots against High Dragon. Party consists of PC arcane warrior, Morrigan (respecced as a spirit healer), Zevran and Leliana (both melee). They aren't particularly good screenshots as I used a camera and had to frequently pause during the animation for the shots, but the killing blow animation is the main reason I always use melee fighters against the High Dragon these days. Slaying it with magic or an arrow just isn't the same.

 

 

 

[springacres]

I just found this:

http://www.nexusmods...ge2/mods/3979/?

I don't have a save to test this with with Isabela in my party in DA2, but if this works, I am going to be insanely happy

[Edit] Doesn't seem to work without Isabela... but now I have an excuse to drag her along for that quest next time.

Modifié par springacres, 04 janvier 2016 - 05:36 .

[springacres]

AND IT WORKS!  Many many thanks to the author of the above mod for fixing something that has bugged many of us to no end

[Ghost Gal]

I just found this:

http://www.nexusmods...ge2/mods/3979/?

I don't have a save to test this with with Isabela in my party in DA2, but if this works, I am going to be insanely happy

[Edit] Doesn't seem to work without Isabela... but now I have an excuse to drag her along for that quest next time.

 

Thank goodness!

 

(I don't actually play DA2, but I've heard this is a serious problem that needs fixing.)

 

And this is why I love Zevran; he starts off with serious commitment allergies, but once you get past that he's loyal for life. 

[springacres]

Thank goodness!

 

(I don't actually play DA2, but I've heard this is a serious problem that needs fixing.)

 

And this is why I love Zevran; he starts off with serious commitment allergies, but once you get past that he's loyal for life. 

I think this is why many of us love him.  That, and the fact that once you get to know him he quickly reveals a softer, kinder, more sentimental side.

[robertmarilyn]

AND IT WORKS!  Many many thanks to the author of the above mod for fixing something that has bugged many of us to no end

 

My human male warden is with Zevran and I would not take Isabela in DA2, when Zevran was around, because it went against the romance with the warden. I'll use that mod in the future, so Isabela can be there and get turned down by Zevran.   I like that Zevran is with my warden, looking for a cure, in DAI. 

[Ghost Gal]

I think this is why many of us love him.  That, and the fact that once you get to know him he quickly reveals a softer, kinder, more sentimental side.

 

Yeah, I kinda stated the obvious there. ^^;

 

But really! Through most of the game it seems Alistair is the monogamy man and Zevran is the "only casual sex" man, but oh! how the tables turn when you reach the endgame and Alistair dumps non-human nobles if he's made king, while a romanced Zevran always sticks with you even though it means turning on his old lover and being hunted by the Crows. What's not to love??

 

And like you said, once you get to know him he does reveal that softer, kinder, more sentimental side. First time I played I thought, "ugh, what a sleaze ball," but felt compelled to raise his approval anyway because that's how my Warden rolls. (She wants to max the approval of everyone in her party, even if she doesn't like them.) Then his flirtations went from being "slime bucket" to casual and friendly, then I raised his friendship some more and the flirtations stopped and he was just a kind, funny, insightful friend. Then I tried romancing him next playthrough, and like you said, the more he falls in love the more you get to see who he really is under layers and layers of defense mechanisms.

[Qun00]

The trickiest part in forming a bond with Zevran is the beginning.

Why didn't your Wardens worry about the possibility that this unknown assassin only offered to join your group so he could try again?

Like Morrigan says, it would be as easy as poisoning your food or killing you in your sleep. And at that point, Zevran hadn't earned your trust yet.

[springacres]

My human male warden is with Zevran and I would not take Isabela in DA2, when Zevran was around, because it went against the romance with the warden. I'll use that mod in the future, so Isabela can be there and get turned down by Zevran.   I like that Zevran is with my warden, looking for a cure, in DAI. 

Same here, even with the import flag fix installed - he acted like my Warden was dead if I took Isabela along.  (It was implied even when I didn't take her along, but vague enough that I could headcanon he was simply referring to an absent Warden.)

[GoldenGail3]

My human male warden is with Zevran and I would not take Isabela in DA2, when Zevran was around, because it went against the romance with the warden. I'll use that mod in the future, so Isabela can be there and get turned down by Zevran.   I like that Zevran is with my warden, looking for a cure, in DAI. 

I've gotta say I pefer Morrigan over Zevran in turns of a male Cousland; so much irony occured there it's hilarious and I like the family they create together too.

[SherryGold]

My MCousland romanced Morrigan twice and while it was an interesting experience, he learned his lesson after the two times. First time, he broke with Zevran, thinking he could get him back. When he realized he couldn't, he decided to abort the whole mission, forcing me to restart the game. The second time, he broke up with Morrigan when Zevran told him he couldn't have both, lost a lot of approval point from Morrigan, tried to get the high approval rating back with gifts, and although Morrigan's approval was warm or friendly, some kind of glitch occurred and he found himself unable to talk to Zevran. Once again, restart. After that, he never tried to seduce Morrigan again. The game just isn't the same when Zevran doesn't lust after the warden.

[springacres]

The trickiest part in forming a bond with Zevran is the beginning.

Why didn't your Wardens worry about the possibility that this unknown assassin only offered to join your group so he could try again?

Like Morrigan says, it would be as easy as poisoning your food or killing you in your sleep. And at that point, Zevran hadn't earned your trust yet.

My Wardens have been worrying about poison in their food since Morrigan mentioned knowing fifteen different poisons that grew near her home.

 

However, given what you just mentioned above, if either the Warden or Alistair were to die suddenly, Zevran would probably be suspect number one.  Not to mention, he'd still be outnumbered.  And whatever else he may be, he isn't stupid.

[Ghost Gal]

The trickiest part in forming a bond with Zevran is the beginning.

Why didn't your Wardens worry about the possibility that this unknown assassin only offered to join your group so he could try again?

Like Morrigan says, it would be as easy as poisoning your food or killing you in your sleep. And at that point, Zevran hadn't earned your trust yet.

 

Depends on your Warden and how they view things.

 

Can't say they did so for the right reasons, but...

 

My city elf was very "we elves gotta stick together," so she was more inclined to believe Zevran. Plus, even before Zevran entered the picture I headcanoned that she spent her whole adolescence developing an immunity to poisons and she herself is a shadow-crawling knife-nut, so she was less concerned.

 

My mage elf was very well aware that being a mage gave her phenomenal cosmic power compared to puny muggles, so she felt confident that she could easily handle another attack. "If he tries anything, I'll explode his insides. That simple."

 

My casteless dwarf was an ex-Carta thug who dealt with people like that every day. (I imagine Carta life is very cut-throat, dog-eat-dog, and there were multiple people she worked with every day whom she knew would love to kill her, so she eventually learned not to get alarmed by it). Plus, Zevran reminded her of Leske. She was pretty home-sick by that point.

 

My dwarf noble: have you SEEN the nature of dwarf politics?   Sharing your home and meal with people you know want to kill you but still smiling and living day to day with them is half the game. If anything, having Zevran around, a guy whom she knows tried to kill her, makes the party feel more like home.

[springacres]

Depends on your Warden and how they view things.

 

Can't say they did so for the right reasons, but...

 

My city elf was very "we elves gotta stick together," so she was more inclined to believe Zevran. Plus, even before Zevran entered the picture I headcanoned that she spent her whole adolescence developing an immunity to poisons and she herself is a shadow-crawling knife-nut, so she was less concerned.

 

My mage elf was very well aware that being a mage gave her phenomenal cosmic power compared to puny muggles, so she felt confident that she could easily handle another attack. "If he tries anything, I'll explode his insides. That simple."

 

My casteless dwarf was an ex-Carta thug who dealt with people like that every day. (I imagine Carta life is very cut-throat, dog-eat-dog, and there were multiple people she worked with every day whom she knew would love to kill her, so she eventually learned not to get alarmed by it). Plus, Zevran reminded her of Leske. She was pretty home-sick by that point.

 

My dwarf noble: have you SEEN the nature of dwarf politics?   Sharing your home and meal with people you know want to kill you but still smiling and living day to day with them is half the game. If anything, having Zevran around, a guy whom she knows tried to kill her, makes the party feel more like home.

Excellent points!  I completely forgot to mention that my M!Surana had studied herblore and alchemy in addition to healing, so he had some academic knowledge of poisons and some practical training in diagnosing symptoms and administering antidotes.  So he was reasonably confident he could diagnose and treat cases of poisoning - accidental or not - that might crop up as a result of recruiting Zev.

[Alvarie]

The trickiest part in forming a bond with Zevran is the beginning.

Why didn't your Wardens worry about the possibility that this unknown assassin only offered to join your group so he could try again?

Like Morrigan says, it would be as easy as poisoning your food or killing you in your sleep. And at that point, Zevran hadn't earned your trust yet.

 

Why would the warden worry about being killed by zevran?

 

Afterall, everyone in the warden's party could kill the warden. at this point of the game.

 

Morrigan, when you meet her says that she knows how to make poison (nevermind that she's lying) and is a mage, an illegal one, with knowledge that is rumoured to be dangerous and unknown,  who has the ability to turn the warden into a frog or worse. at any time. with a flick of her hands.

 

Leliana, is a chantry sister who can fight. remember that the chantry accepts harlots, murders and everyone but mages. which allows a person to commite horrible acts, any horrible acts and still be accepted into the chantry. that allows many horrific things to be swept under a carpet. Since leliana doesn't really explains to the warden how she gain fighting skills until much later, the warden could think of many things to explain how leliana, none of them would be pleasant. as people tend to fear what is not seen or told. (for example. a horror film, is much more scarier if the film doesn't ever show the monster. then if it does. as people tend to think of scarier things when left to fill in the blank.)

 

Sten, when recuited is stated by himself, the chantery mother, head templar, barkeep, as someone who just killed an entire family. the head templar says that when he saw the scene he was horrifed (something like that. )

 

Shale, Killed it's former master. and promises it won't harm the warden unless provoked. and everyone's limites is different. shale could have a short temper. the warden doesn't know.

 

with alistair it depends on the origins of the warden. if a mage. alistair is a templar recuit. he is also human, which might be a problem for a dalish or city elf warden. not to mention his emotional state isn't at its high point. duncan is dead. the man he considers family. (Depending on if the warden did redclife first, connor or isolde might be dead, which leaves alistair feeling guilty for harming family of the man who took him in, nevermind that the same man let his wife bully alistair.)

 

either way, personal safety isn't the warden's first concern. The first concern would be the blight, following that is loghain. and between either of those two goals, personal safety does not have a place at all.

 

as for trusting zevran, it really isn't nescessary.

the warden is desperate for help, (sort of) sure the warden could end the blight with just morrigan, alistair. but the more people  the better the chances of actually getting to archdemon.

besides, trusting someone to watch your back in battle (if you like, think of battle like a profession, you have to do it but you don't have to like everyone around you and it's public), isn't the same as trusting them as a friend (which is private, and you have to like them to a certain degree). 

 

either way the blight threatens all of them.

[Alvarie]

I've been thinking. I've seen posts on tumblr of somthinglike. warden cures taint, warden dies in childbirth. 

And it makes me wonder how zevran would react at the news of pregnancy. He is aware that women die in childbirth and he's also protective of the warden. 

 

I'm kind of unsure about this but.  how likely..... err, willing would zevran be to remove any threats to the warden's life, including their unborn child.

 

I think to zevran, the warden is more important than the unborn child, as the warden is here right now, while the unborn child is still a bit foreign. on the other hand zevran does take the warden's feelings into consideration. and depending on the warden, also takes zevran's feelins into consideration as well. 

 

I wonder if it was zevran who realizes that the warden is pregnant would he give her something to cause her to lost the child with out her knowing that is was pregnant. if this is still in character for zevran..... 

 

(I have no idea what I'm talking about any more........)

[springacres]

I wonder if it was zevran who realizes that the warden is pregnant would he give her something to cause her to lost the child with out her knowing that is was pregnant. if this is still in character for zevran..... 

 

(I have no idea what I'm talking about any more........)

I don't think that would ever be in character for Zevran, because it doesn't take the Warden's wishes into account.  And, well, that's all I feel I can say without taking this thread into political hot-button territory.

[robertmarilyn]

I don't think that would ever be in character for Zevran, because it doesn't take the Warden's wishes into account.  And, well, that's all I feel I can say without taking this thread into political hot-button territory.

 

I don't think Zevran would mind his romanced Warden having his baby either and I certainly don't think he'd do anything to hurt the baby. He's good about talking things over anyway, once he fully trusts the Warden. 

[Ghost Gal]

I don't think that would ever be in character for Zevran, because it doesn't take the Warden's wishes into account.  And, well, that's all I feel I can say without taking this thread into political hot-button territory.

 

I don't think Zevran would mind his romanced Warden having his baby either and I certainly don't think he'd do anything to hurt the baby. He's good about talking things over anyway, once he fully trusts the Warden. 

 

I agree. Regardless of the subject, Zevran is good about talking things over and always takes the Warden's wishes into account. He never, ever, ever tries to push you into anything you do not want or are not ready for. As he often says in the romance, "I would never ask any more of you than you are willing to give."

 

He also knows that fighting darkspawn is dangerous, yet he never tries to stop the Warden from doing that.

 

In general, Zevran takes dangers and risks in stride. He knows there are a lot of things in life that can kill you, but would rather not let that prevent him from enjoying life, or letting others enjoy life. If he and the woman he loves are expecting a child, he knows there's a chance the mother might die in childbirth, but he's not going to let that consume his ability to enjoy this blessing with her. Again, Zevran is good about voicing his concerns. If it really bothered him, I can see him talking to the Warden about it--not just sneak tansy into her tea when she's not looking.