Until I got that fixed in my games, I wouldn't allow Isabella to go with me when Zevran was around and I didn't choose any options that flirted with Zevran. Now that it's fixed, I don't have to worry about anything except that Zevran got hit with the ugly stick.
Until I got that fixed in my games, I wouldn't allow Isabella to go with me when Zevran was around and I didn't choose any options that flirted with Zevran. Now that it's fixed, I don't have to worry about anything except that Zevran got hit with the ugly stick.
LOL To paraphrase a comment I read a long time ago: "Zevran didn't just get slapped with the ugly stick. He fell down ugly tree, hit every ugly branch on the way down, tripped on ugly rock and fell into ugly creek." XD
Anyway, yeah, the devs haven't been good to him. Two broken relationship flags two games in a row, and a good pommeling with the ugly stick for good measure.
(On the relationship flags: Before the final patch of DAO, during the final battle, where all the companions give their "it has been an honor" speech, Zevran was supposed to declare his love by saying, "To remain at your side, I would storm the Black City itself. Never doubt it." Instead, due to a broken flag, he just said, "It has been an honor, my friend." Lots of hearts were broken. Then DA2 rolled around, and, having learned their lesson, the devs once again didn't spot or fix a broken relationship flag, and he can agree to sleep with someone else behind your back. Lots of hearts were broken.)
Until I got that fixed in my games, I wouldn't allow Isabella to go with me when Zevran was around and I didn't choose any options that flirted with Zevran. Now that it's fixed, I don't have to worry about anything except that Zevran got hit with the ugly stick.
LOL To paraphrase a comment I read a long time ago: "Zevran didn't just get slapped with the ugly stick. He fell down ugly tree, hit every ugly branch on the way down, tripped on ugly rock and fell into ugly creek." XD
I prefer to think of it as he got beaten to within an inch of his life with the ugly stick, but that comment above is all kinds of awesome XDDD
Thankfully, by the time I got to the "broken flag" point in Origins, I had ZDF (and Gatekisses) installed, so I not only didn't have to worry about the plot flag issue, I also got to kiss him.
(As an aside, Morrigan had a broken plot flag at that point too, because my Warden had used the "beautiful woman" line when he gave her the mirror. Even though he then gave her the cold shoulder when she invited him into her tent, she still ninja kissed him at the gates of Orzammar. I headcanon that he responded by slapping her and spending the next five minutes wiping his lips on his sleeve before speaking with Zevran.)
I prefer to think of it as he got beaten to within an inch of his life with the ugly stick, but that comment above is all kinds of awesome XDDD
Thankfully, by the time I got to the "broken flag" point in Origins, I had ZDF (and Gatekisses) installed, so I not only didn't have to worry about the plot flag issue, I also got to kiss him.
(As an aside, Morrigan had a broken plot flag at that point too, because my Warden had used the "beautiful woman" line when he gave her the mirror. Even though he then gave her the cold shoulder when she invited him into her tent, she still ninja kissed him at the gates of Orzammar. I headcanon that he responded by ******-slapping her and spending the next five minutes wiping his lips on his sleeve before speaking with Zevran.)
I can't remember...does the male Warden get to ask Alistair to do the Dark Ritual with Morrigan? My male Cousland, who romanced Zevran, romanced Morrigan first and he was very good friends with Alistair, so he did the Dark Ritual with Morrigan instead of asking Alistair to do so.
Yes, he does. Mine was deeply conflicted about it - on the one hand, it meant asking Alistair to sleep with the one person in the party he most hated; on the other hand, doing it himself meant cheating on Zev, and he wasn't about to either do the Ultimate Sacrifice himself or ask Alistair to do it, because one was suicide and the other he saw as murder. He finally ended up convincing Alistair to do it.
That was a difficult choice for my Warden who romanced Zevran as well. He was very good friends with both Morrigan and Alistair, but had no interest either in being with Morrigan to begin with or in doing the ritual without telling Zevran about it. However, he also didn't feel that he had any right to ask anyone else to do it, and he had no intention of anybody getting killed taking the Archdemon down if he could stop it -- so in the end he did the ritual and felt quite awkward and upset about the whole thing (well, except the "nobody dying" part, of course). Of course, what he actually originally wanted to do with that whole thing was recruit Loghain and make him do it, but he was too good of friends with Alistair to go through with that. Incidentally, he's also my only Warden thus far who has done the ritual at all, but that'll probably change some day.
And yeah, DAII! I got lucky with that bug, because my character in DAII couldn't stand Isabella to begin with, and was definitely not going to go around flirting with random assassins (from his point of view) himself. The dialogue is still a little odd, and makes it seem like Zev might have a case of amnesia, but nothing terribly off so long as your character doesn't do any flirting. At least in DA:I everything Zevran-related seemed flagged correctly for once...
[Oh, my screen-name was Remmirath last time I came by here, in case anybody kind of remembers me but is confused by the name change.]
My current DAO game has my city elf female who romanced Zevran but is now in a romance with Alistair because I want to have him stay a Warden so that I can see Warden Alistair romancing my elf, in DAI. Just like my other DAO games, I barely talk to anyone and they think I'm in a romance with them so I have to be very careful and I save a lot.
I was careful how I spoke to Lel and then went and talked to Alistair and he told me I needed to tell her I was in a romance with him. Lel is the worst about getting my PCs in a ninja romance. I wanted to tell Alistair that everybody knows we are together because whenever I tell him I want to go to sleep, we are by Morrigan's tent with everybody watching. 
But what I really wanted to say is that the few times I don't romance Zevran to the very end...actually the one time, which was when my female Cousland married King Alistair, I feel sad because I really like the Zevran romance the best, with Alistair a close second. But no matter what, all my PCs end up being best friends with Zevran. 
That was actually a broken flag. If you import a save where the Warden and Zevran ended up together and the Warden didn't die, Zevran is supposed to politely turn Isabela and Hawke down on account of being committed to someone else.
(If you import a save where they were together but the Warren died, he'll sadly turn you down, saying that he's still in mourning. Note: the Warden had been dead several years by that point.)
Zevran isn't lying when he says he "happens to be a most loyal person," and that he is "no cheat." The devs are just really bad about fixing broken flags that are supposed to acknowledge this.
Ahhhhh.....so that's it. When I started DA2,I imported my save file from DAA,which the Warden Commander is also my DAO Warden who romanced and stayed with Zevran,I thought it wouldn't matter but maybe that's where it went wrong? No wonders,thanks for the info! To show my love,let me just put this beautiful moment my Warden and Zev had in the game:
It's from an adult mod of course,but it looks very nice. Love you,Zev!
My heroes saved the world, saved the all childrens, widows, and kittens, freed all of the slavers, and fed the poors, but I confess, in the love they have not as strong morals ... My Cousland warrior married with Anora, and kept Zevran as lover – for example. And yet he was the most virtuous, I suppose.
My current DAO game has my city elf female who romanced Zevran but is now in a romance with Alistair because I want to have him stay a Warden so that I can see Warden Alistair romancing my elf, in DAI. Just like my other DAO games, I barely talk to anyone and they think I'm in a romance with them so I have to be very careful and I save a lot.
I was careful how I spoke to Lel and then went and talked to Alistair and he told me I needed to tell her I was in a romance with him. Lel is the worst about getting my PCs in a ninja romance. I wanted to tell Alistair that everybody knows we are together because whenever I tell him I want to go to sleep, we are by Morrigan's tent with everybody watching.
But what I really wanted to say is that the few times I don't romance Zevran to the very end...actually the one time, which was when my female Cousland married King Alistair, I feel sad because I really like the Zevran romance the best, with Alistair a close second. But no matter what, all my PCs end up being best friends with Zevran.
If you want, I'd recommend reading through the Alistair and Leliana Approval wiki guides. It tells you not only which answers in dialogue earn or lose approval, but which lines start a romance. I'll admit I used it on my first playthrough (because I didn't even want to take a chance on starting a romance I couldn't finish because I didn't want to run into this problem) and it served me well. =)
Yeah, I imagine Zevran becomes "heterosexual life partners" with or the "gay husband" of (even though I know technically he's bi/pan) any Warden I have who doesn't romance him directly. Even my very first playthrough with my own city elf Warden who romanced Alistair and kept him in the Wardens and had him appear in DAI ( 
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Ahhhhh.....so that's it. When I started DA2,I imported my save file from DAA,which the Warden Commander is also my DAO Warden who romanced and stayed with Zevran,I thought it wouldn't matter but maybe that's where it went wrong? No wonders,thanks for the info! To show my love,let me just put this beautiful moment my Warden and Zev had in the game:
[snip]
It's from an adult mod of course,but it looks very nice. Love you,Zev!
I think it's a bug that everyone runs into. I'm not quite sure because I've never played DA2, but without a mod I think Zevran never acknowledges that a living Warden he romanced is still alive and committed. If you like mods, this is a good fix. =)
My heroes saved the world, saved the all childrens, widows, and kittens, freed all of the slavers, and fed the poors, but I confess, in the love they have not as strong morals ... My Cousland warrior married with Anora, and kept Zevran as lover – for example. And yet he was the most virtuous, I suppose.
I'm the exact opposite.
Many of my Elven and Dwarven characters have been a little loose in the moral department, but they often did the right thing even if they didn't feel like it. (I'm kind of in love with the idea of a "hero" who has every reason to not want to help--and if you play a city elf, you especially have every reason to not want to help humans--but who put their own anger or bitterness or apathy aside and help anyway.)
However, no matter how loose their day-to-day morals, they were always committed in love. Maybe it's just because in real life I'm a strong stickler for monogamy and commitment (I'd sooner stay faithful in a relationship that makes me miserable than cheat), but even if my characters were apathy incarnate, they never so much as flirted with another person after they flirted the first time with their heart's desire.
(Every Me and Every You is totally Zevran's and my Mage Elf's theme song. She's listless and indolent, selfish and unkind, but "a box I choose, no other box I choose to use." Then she eventually fell in love with him for real, so it all worked out.)
My heroes saved the world, saved the all childrens, widows, and kittens, freed all of the slavers, and fed the poors, but I confess, in the love they have not as strong morals ... My Cousland warrior married with Anora, and kept Zevran as lover – for example. And yet he was the most virtuous, I suppose.
You seem to describe some of my worlds states (most of them were good heroic noble people) ... Besides for my Cousland Warrior - the dude is a Morrigan romance who is a Prince Consort..
In retrospect, seeing Zevran deserved: He flirting shamelessly with Hawke. I do not know what's wrong with the honor title of the royal lover! Althought maybe a little flirting is fine in his position...
You know, Oghren and Zevran are similar in that they make it hard to play a consistent character if you recruit them.
I've considered not allowing Velanna to join the Grey Wardens on account of her hot blooded personality, but how can one claim to have standards after recruiting a drunk dwarf?
And sparing Zevran makes it hard to justify not showing mercy to all npcs that beg for their lives or whose fate is decided by the Warden.
My Brosca was something of a hardass and not always nice, but he'd spent his entire pre-Warden life committing atrocious crimes to survive and to provide for his family. So if there was an option to spare The Bad Guy™ he took it. 'Cause he used to be the bad guy, too.
I guess it comes down to the character you play. The biggest reason for Oghren, really, is that you need all the help you can get. He's a drunk, but he's also a seasoned warrior from a nation that's held out against the darkspawn for ages...
And nothing wrong with playing a merciful character.
But you see... my Warden killed the female blood mage in the Circle tower because the latter still believed to be right. Her request for mercy was purely motivated by fear rather than wishing to atone.
Sparing Zevran after doing that is hypocritical, because his argument also is just "I don't wanna die". And offering his services is a simple trade rather than an attempt at redemption.
So I am curious:- Does Zevran have STDs ? I mean he has slept around a lot...
Completely bizarre, but last night I dreamed that I was in the world of DAI but I was a female Qunari (Adaar), and Zevran was one of the companions/advisers. I lamented that not many people I liked in the Inquisition liked Qunari women back (didn't like Sera), and that I settled on a casual relationship with Iron Bull until Zevran started to bite. I then dumped Bull and started romancing Zevran, not at all bothered by the size difference of a grey giant woman and a small elven man because she/I loved him so much.
Moral of the story? I wish Zevran had come back in DAI as well as or instead of Leliana, and I kind of wish Qunari had been playable characters from the start, or we could romance Zevran in subsequent games as a Qunari. I also kind of wonder what it would be like to romance Zevran as a Qunari, just for roleplaying variety's sake.
Much as I love Solas, it kind of sucks how in DAI you can only romance an elf as a female character (as Sera is lesbian and Solas is straight), and only as a female elf in the case of Solas. I kind of miss being able to romance elves as non-humans; though so far you can only have a roll with Zevran as a dwarf, and Sera as a female dwarf or Qunari. In general I'm not fond of the lacklustre DAI romance options available to Dwarf and Qunari women that game (how come they thought only a few players would like Cullen and Solas??), and I kind of miss being able to romance a jovial, likable guy as any race and gender. (I find Alistair and especially Zevran just so much more cheerful, likable, and easy-going than DA2's grumpy-pants Fenris and Anders, and DAI's Iron Bull gets on my nerves.)
I'm going to play DAO again just to romance Zevran.
I mean to play Inquisition but never seem to find the time. Funny that I always manage to find time for DAO. Zevran can be very persuasive.
"Never find the time" is right. That thing's a time sink with lots of filler in a padding sandwich. x_x
It's still a good game if you ever have time to play it in chunks, so don't let my testimony deter you further.
I must say, that dream of mine made me reflect and appreciate Zevran all the more as a character. Every game BioWare likes to add the fun, flirty, promiscuous, commitment-phobic LI (Zevran DAO, Isabela DA2, Iron Bull DAI), but thanks to my dream I found myself seriously comparing them today. Bull really disappointed me personally for reasons I'll explain in the spoiler section, but this dream had me seriously compare him to Zevran and realize why I adore the latter.
In the first place, even though Isabela has been said to be "female Zevran," Zev and Bull are both male, pansexual, promiscuous, commitment-phobic types who start off wanting a no-strings-attached physical relationship with the PC, disguised as doing it for your benefit (Zevran's "massage," Bull letting you unwind and let someone else take charge in the privacy of the bedroom), but man does Zevran's peculiarities mean so much more to me than Bull's.
By reflecting today I realized what I don't like about Bull is
I don't know, I know some would argue that companions having their own specific desires for the relationship and not changing for the PC is "more realistic," "just like how real people are," etc. And I get that.
Therefore, knowing that companions aren't obligated to always cater to the PC's whims, that's part of what I love about Zevran. I love how amicable and easy-going he is. It's probably because of his Crow upbringing, I feel like Gaider specifically wrote a character who is open-minded, easy-going, willing to get along, completely accepting of who the PC is (regardless of class, race, gender, moral compass, etc), willing to adjust the terms of the relationship (and sex life) to make his partner happy, etc. I feel like he'd be up for anything as long as he didn't find you morally repugnant (and you'd have to be a right b@st@rd to get to that point since he'll understand most "evil" choices as long as they're pragmatic) and/or he felt his feelings and desires were likewise respected.
DA's sequels have been good, but I kind of miss that about DAO's companions, and Zevran specifically. I kind of wish they'd brought him back for DAI instead of giving us so many of the bland or annoying romances we got. My female Qunari would take a roll in the hay with a tiny elven assassin who'll try anything once over a giant Qunari mercenary
Oh yeah, I forgot you're a Bull and Sera lover.
I guess I wouldn't feel as strongly as I do about Bull (and Sera) if the hype leading up to the game didn't set my expectations one way and deliver another.
Yeah, that's a good point. Now that you mentioned it playing a Qunari would have been interesting this game, especially where romancing Zevran and Morrigan are concerned. Oh well, what's past has past. I guess I'm still sore that they seem to be bringing back every other character in DAO but Zevran remains elusive.
Anyway, I agree that it's pretty awesome that Zev is one of the few companions to have no problem romancing a dwarf (looking at you, Cullen and Solas), plus I also like size difference that defy tradition. As far as dwarves go, it still bums me out that there is no dwarf romance, and the only dwarf x non-human romances I can enjoy is a dwarf who romances Zevran in DAO, and a female dwarf to romance Sera or Bull in DAI. Come on, guys!
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