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Ridiculously Awesome: The Zevran Thread
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Posté 10 septembre 2010 - 03:49
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@Shadow of Light Dragon: I remember seeing something in the licensing for the toolset to the effect that all mods made using the toolset technically belong to BW, so I doubt there would be a licensing issue. It would be great to get some input from David Gaider, if he is allowed to comment/help.
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Posté 10 septembre 2010 - 04:03
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@Sami - I know Gaider has answered some questions in the past if sent via PM. When we have a better idea of what we are doing perhaps one of us can PM him and ask an short list of questions (licensing, where Zev's last name comes from, if there is a name for the Master Zev served under, ect.) I would hope if we kept the list short he might provide some answers. Several of the other Dev's (Melo, Chee, Kirby, ect.) might also be willing to answer questions about the licensing.
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Posté 10 septembre 2010 - 12:57
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Results Time!
Entries
Corker -- “Falon'Din's Reach”: http://social.biowar...5041/27#4661985
This was so lovely and sad… *sniffle*. I really like the way you portrayed Dalish!Zevran and his sympathy for Danyla’s suffering.
Sarah1281 -- “A Fortuitous Fall” : http://social.biowar...5041/27#4664194
Ooohh… I was hoping someone would dig into the mage story, and you did a fantastic job with it. Zevran’s thoughts and reactions ring true for him being at the early stages of his assassin career.
wildannie: http://social.biowar...5041/27#4677692
I love that the splashes of red and Zevran’s hair are the only colored sections. The sketch really evokes emotion in its starkness and simplicity.
caridounette: http://social.biowar...5041/27#4678598
This was a really fascinating exploration of the “looting corpses” mechanic in the game. While not a big deal when killing a darkspawn, the fact that Zevran knew Taliesin so well really does make this sad and a great insight into character.
TanithAeyrs -- “Consequences”: http://social.biowar...5041/27#4680061
Really loved the sly innuendo between Karmina and Zevran at the beginning of this; really set the tone and made the assassination even more chilling. You have a gift for political intrigue *g*
Hilde – “The Humor of the Fates”: http://social.biowar...5041/27#4680176
The maneuvering between Howe and Anora was an interesting twist, particularly when you consider that he locks her up later in the game *eg*. Zev changing his mind about dying “too late” to matter really cemented the idea he was committing “attempted suicide by Warden” there – well done!
Minaleth: http://social.biowar...5041/28#4681159
Love the snarling animal look on Vaughn and Zevran’s obvious glee at avenging his Tabris!Warden. I’ve said it before but it bears repeating – I’m amazed at what you and all the other thread artists are able to do in less than an hour.
Kornichon: http://social.biowar...5041/28#4681961
I literally laughed out loud for a full minute when I saw this – LOVE!!! The expression on the squished bug’s face (and his smaller fellows jumping to safety) was just priceless Ninja!Zevran in his long boxers is massively hawt, too *EG*
Shadow of Light Dragon – “Instrument of Fate”: http://social.biowar...5041/28#4687688
You have a gift for writing a fight scene – enough detail to paint a mental picture, not so much as to be pedantic. The way Zevran related to the beggar before the hit, and then added his instrument to the belt as a marker, was both eerie and strangely sweet.
Halae Dral: http://social.biowar...5041/30#4697879
I really felt Zevran’s grief and the Warden’s concern in this depiction. The detailing on the background is amazing, and the expressions sell the story immediately. I can definitely see this happening just after the fight, before Zevran begins his “Taliesin is dead, and I am free of the Crows” speech (he always looks so sad at the start of that convo *sniff*)
Results
I loved all the entries -- the creativity of the folks on this thread is wonderful! Choosing the winner was very difficult, but per the rules, "There can be only one" /off Highlander voice
Congratulations Kornichon! I will PM you about your story prize
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Prompt time! Once again, many thanks to Minaleth for the Banner!
Prompt: Zevran, the Instrument of Fate
"I often find myself the instrument of fate, ending these lives for one necessity or another. I console myself with the notion that most of them had it coming."
Anything goes here – one of Zevran’s adventures from before he met the Warden (the Rivani Merchant Prince, the mage in the carriage, Princess Farina, etc.), something from during Origins (actual plot event or an original occurrence), or any time after the death of the Archdemon. So long as it involves Zevran and a target’s death (actual event or his perception of it, or his role as an assassin in general), it’s all good – dramatic or humorous responses are equally welcome.
Time: 1 hour
Formats: All formats of response are encouraged -- drawing, story, image manip, poem, comic, filk, etc.
Deadline: Thursday, September 9th @ 9:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time (GMT - 4). Winner to be announced the morning of Friday, September 10th (~ 9:00 AM EDT).
Prize: Zevran story of your choice. You can either provide me a prompt or I’ll make something up. Zev with any of the NPCs from Origins is fair game. If you want the story to include one of your own Wardens, I’ll need some personality/characterization info and/or links to stories you’ve written about him/her to get into voice (I’m new around here and haven’t read much DAO fanfic outside of what’s been posted in this thread). I’m comfortable writing Gen, Slash and Het, if that’s a concern
Entries
Corker -- “Falon'Din's Reach”: http://social.biowar...5041/27#4661985
This was so lovely and sad… *sniffle*. I really like the way you portrayed Dalish!Zevran and his sympathy for Danyla’s suffering.
Sarah1281 -- “A Fortuitous Fall” : http://social.biowar...5041/27#4664194
Ooohh… I was hoping someone would dig into the mage story, and you did a fantastic job with it. Zevran’s thoughts and reactions ring true for him being at the early stages of his assassin career.
wildannie: http://social.biowar...5041/27#4677692
I love that the splashes of red and Zevran’s hair are the only colored sections. The sketch really evokes emotion in its starkness and simplicity.
caridounette: http://social.biowar...5041/27#4678598
This was a really fascinating exploration of the “looting corpses” mechanic in the game. While not a big deal when killing a darkspawn, the fact that Zevran knew Taliesin so well really does make this sad and a great insight into character.
TanithAeyrs -- “Consequences”: http://social.biowar...5041/27#4680061
Really loved the sly innuendo between Karmina and Zevran at the beginning of this; really set the tone and made the assassination even more chilling. You have a gift for political intrigue *g*
Hilde – “The Humor of the Fates”: http://social.biowar...5041/27#4680176
The maneuvering between Howe and Anora was an interesting twist, particularly when you consider that he locks her up later in the game *eg*. Zev changing his mind about dying “too late” to matter really cemented the idea he was committing “attempted suicide by Warden” there – well done!
Minaleth: http://social.biowar...5041/28#4681159
Love the snarling animal look on Vaughn and Zevran’s obvious glee at avenging his Tabris!Warden. I’ve said it before but it bears repeating – I’m amazed at what you and all the other thread artists are able to do in less than an hour.
Kornichon: http://social.biowar...5041/28#4681961
I literally laughed out loud for a full minute when I saw this – LOVE!!! The expression on the squished bug’s face (and his smaller fellows jumping to safety) was just priceless Ninja!Zevran in his long boxers is massively hawt, too *EG*
Shadow of Light Dragon – “Instrument of Fate”: http://social.biowar...5041/28#4687688
You have a gift for writing a fight scene – enough detail to paint a mental picture, not so much as to be pedantic. The way Zevran related to the beggar before the hit, and then added his instrument to the belt as a marker, was both eerie and strangely sweet.
Halae Dral: http://social.biowar...5041/30#4697879
I really felt Zevran’s grief and the Warden’s concern in this depiction. The detailing on the background is amazing, and the expressions sell the story immediately. I can definitely see this happening just after the fight, before Zevran begins his “Taliesin is dead, and I am free of the Crows” speech (he always looks so sad at the start of that convo *sniff*)
Results
I loved all the entries -- the creativity of the folks on this thread is wonderful! Choosing the winner was very difficult, but per the rules, "There can be only one" /off Highlander voice
Congratulations Kornichon! I will PM you about your story prize
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Modifié par ICevoL, 10 septembre 2010 - 12:57 .
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Posté 10 septembre 2010 - 01:39
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Congratulations!
PS for Hilde - I am almost done with your prize... and there is Zevran! :3
PS for Hilde - I am almost done with your prize... and there is Zevran! :3
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Posté 10 septembre 2010 - 02:17
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NinjaZevran won the day ! Grats Kornichon!
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Posté 10 septembre 2010 - 03:18
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Congrats to the winner! I've just come back from a holiday in the US (my first time there), so I won't bother to try to catch up with everything that I've missed. But are people going to try to put together some Zev-based content then? (at least, from what I've gathered from the past few pages) If yes, that's really, really awesome! 
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Posté 10 septembre 2010 - 06:34
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Congratulations Kornichon!!
@ Minaleth ~ Yay!
@ Minaleth ~ Yay!
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Posté 10 septembre 2010 - 07:49
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Not sure if anyone else has seen this, but it gives me hope that jenovan was right and we may get a Zevran action figure eventually
DC Unlimited's Dragon Age Origins Series 1
Not sure why they'd give us a freaking Genlock instead of another companion, but I'll take whatever indication I can get that a Zevran figure could possibly be in my greedy little hands someday...
Edited to add: DC Unlimited is affiliated with DC Direct, a company that has made many action figure collections in the past. I'm glad to see DC Direct working on these, since they will be good quality products if my past collecting experience holds true
DC Unlimited's Dragon Age Origins Series 1
Not sure why they'd give us a freaking Genlock instead of another companion, but I'll take whatever indication I can get that a Zevran figure could possibly be in my greedy little hands someday...
Edited to add: DC Unlimited is affiliated with DC Direct, a company that has made many action figure collections in the past. I'm glad to see DC Direct working on these, since they will be good quality products if my past collecting experience holds true
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Posté 10 septembre 2010 - 11:47
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Looks like no one can resist to ninja-Zev 
(haha didn't think I could won with lulz stuff)
thanks all ^^
so here's the new prompt!
***Banner by Minaleth***
Prompt: Black hole
"Ha! Let's see... When was the last time I slipped my hand into some dark hole? Hmmm... Long story, that."
so tell me what is your version of this "long story"
it can be funny like Zevran's hand stuck in a incongruous place (exemple : a chamber pot, a mouse hole,...)
adult stuff (better to only put a link I think?)
about when he was coaching to be a crow...
or whatever you like!
Time: 1 hour
Formats: All formats are welcome!
Deadline: Saturday 18 september (but I really don't understand nothing to these f*cking differences of travel time, so let's stay on a deadline for the 18/11/2010 )
Prize: I'll draw you what you want ^^
hope it will inspire you!
(haha didn't think I could won with lulz stuff)
thanks all ^^
so here's the new prompt!
***Banner by Minaleth***
Prompt: Black hole
"Ha! Let's see... When was the last time I slipped my hand into some dark hole? Hmmm... Long story, that."
so tell me what is your version of this "long story"
it can be funny like Zevran's hand stuck in a incongruous place (exemple : a chamber pot, a mouse hole,...)
adult stuff (better to only put a link I think?)
about when he was coaching to be a crow...
or whatever you like!
Time: 1 hour
Formats: All formats are welcome!
Deadline: Saturday 18 september (but I really don't understand nothing to these f*cking differences of travel time, so let's stay on a deadline for the 18/11/2010 )
Prize: I'll draw you what you want ^^
hope it will inspire you!
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Posté 11 septembre 2010 - 12:33
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I don't know if I could do this fill again... so here's what a wrote lo, a couple months back. It probably took longer than an hour, though.
Long Story, That
To the tune of "The Lusty Young Smith"
Also, there is a podcast.
It was an odd job for Antivan assassins
No killing or poisons or politics, no
But a lady has misplaced her favorite bauble
To help her reclaim it, she's hired a Crow
"What's wrong?" asked the Crow, an elf very handsome
"Why are you crying with such grief and woe?"
"I've lost my bright bauble, a ball made of silver
It slipped from my grasp and is stuck down a hole."
"It is a dear plaything and gives me much pleasure
A gift from my husband and I love it so
He would be upset if he knew that I lost it
Discretion from Crows I can count on, I know."
"I'll show you the place where the bauble went missing
A glade with a stream whose clear waters run slow
The ball has got stuck there all up in the wellspring
And will not be loosened despite how it flows."
The wellspring was narrow, his hand barely fit there
The ball, it kept slipping up, back, to and fro
At long last, he caught it and carefully brought it
To his employer, success for to show
"Oh yes!" she then cried, "You've got it, you've found it!"
She took it from him with her face all aglow
"If I lose it again, you be sure that I'll call you
For service discrete there is none like a Crow."
Long Story, That
To the tune of "The Lusty Young Smith"
Also, there is a podcast.
It was an odd job for Antivan assassins
No killing or poisons or politics, no
But a lady has misplaced her favorite bauble
To help her reclaim it, she's hired a Crow
"What's wrong?" asked the Crow, an elf very handsome
"Why are you crying with such grief and woe?"
"I've lost my bright bauble, a ball made of silver
It slipped from my grasp and is stuck down a hole."
"It is a dear plaything and gives me much pleasure
A gift from my husband and I love it so
He would be upset if he knew that I lost it
Discretion from Crows I can count on, I know."
"I'll show you the place where the bauble went missing
A glade with a stream whose clear waters run slow
The ball has got stuck there all up in the wellspring
And will not be loosened despite how it flows."
The wellspring was narrow, his hand barely fit there
The ball, it kept slipping up, back, to and fro
At long last, he caught it and carefully brought it
To his employer, success for to show
"Oh yes!" she then cried, "You've got it, you've found it!"
She took it from him with her face all aglow
"If I lose it again, you be sure that I'll call you
For service discrete there is none like a Crow."
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Posté 11 septembre 2010 - 12:54
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ICevoL wrote...
Not sure if anyone else has seen this, but it gives me hope that jenovan was right and we may get a Zevran action figure eventually
DC Unlimited's Dragon Age Origins Series 1
Not sure why they'd give us a freaking Genlock instead of another companion, but I'll take whatever indication I can get that a Zevran figure could possibly be in my greedy little hands someday...
Edited to add: DC Unlimited is affiliated with DC Direct, a company that has made many action figure collections in the past. I'm glad to see DC Direct working on these, since they will be good quality products if my past collecting experience holds true
Why does Morrigan look ridiculous.... ;_;
They'll probably just make Alistair plushies and move on to DA2. Let's not kid ourselves.
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Posté 11 septembre 2010 - 12:56
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I might have access to a pool of amateurs (read: acting students at a university) looking for easy work, some of whom are quite nerdy. I'd have to know what they're reading for before I could propose it, though, so that will only really be an option after we have a script ready to go.
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Posté 11 septembre 2010 - 01:52
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Yep, those are what I was thinking of. ;D Bioware sells 'em in their store if you want 'em direct and all that. XD I'm not exactly pleased with the first lineup (I mean, I'm not even a huge Ali fan, but no Alistair? And a Genlock? Really?), but I'm torn between going "meh" or getting them to encourage BW to make other characters. ;PICevoL wrote...
Not sure if anyone else has seen this, but it gives me hope that jenovan was right and we may get a Zevran
action figure eventually
Female action figures, man. <_< The only really nice ones I have personally are Final Fantasy figures, totally different aesthetic. (I guess some of the Angela ones are nice... but not pretty.) But yeah.Tellervo wrote...
Why does Morrigan look ridiculous.... ;_;
They'll probably just make Alistair plushies and move on to DA2. Let's not kid ourselves.
lulz alistair plushies... I suddenly just imagined a Sten one. That, I would buy.
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Posté 11 septembre 2010 - 01:57
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Don't get me wrong, I desperately want my regular party looking down at me from the top of my desk. But just Morrigan isn't really worth it.
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Posté 11 septembre 2010 - 03:32
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ICevoL wrote...
Not sure if anyone else has seen this, but it gives me hope that jenovan was right and we may get a Zevran action figure eventually
DC Unlimited's Dragon Age Origins Series 1
Not sure why they'd give us a freaking Genlock instead of another companion, but I'll take whatever indication I can get that a Zevran figure could possibly be in my greedy little hands someday...
Edited to add: DC Unlimited is affiliated with DC Direct, a company that has made many action figure collections in the past. I'm glad to see DC Direct working on these, since they will be good quality products if my past collecting experience holds true
How did they manage to make Loghain so sexy and Morrigan so unatractive?! lol WTF Hopefuly Zev will get more of the Loghain treatment and less of the Morrigan treatment.
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Posté 11 septembre 2010 - 03:56
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Congrats Kornichon! 
O_o @ the new prompt!
O_o @ the new prompt!
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Posté 11 septembre 2010 - 05:18
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Well, buying their stuff to "encourage them to make more" didn't work with Origins DLCs, so...
( Sorry I keep vanishing, guys. I seriously blinked and it'd been a week. >< )
( Sorry I keep vanishing, guys. I seriously blinked and it'd been a week. >< )
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Posté 11 septembre 2010 - 01:59
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I've been thinking a bit why WH has bothered me so much, and Awakening as well, and I think this is the place for my latest whine (sorry!). I know quite a few people will disagree with me, and that's fine. This is just my opinion, and while I usually won't admit it, my opinion is not infallible!
Zevran's story in Origins is one of redemption. You start with a hardened assassin, broken and suicidal, and let him live and join you, maybe because you find him sexy, maybe because you just like him for some reason, maybe because you want to find out more about the organization that has a contract out on you. Or whatever.
During the months, you can get to know him, hear about the monster he was, hear about the training that strives to take away his humanity, hear about his regrets over his actions and the bitterness over his training. You learn that from day one, he has never had a choice, and when given the freedom to make one, he has no clue even how to do so.
Through the warden, he learns a completely new meaning of friendship, and perhaps of love as well -- that these things most of us take for granted, he never knew in a real sense before. As your lover, he falls in love so hard that he will not be with you without a commitment for the future. Even sex takes on a whole new meaning and becomes, for him, and expression of love. He vows to stay with you until the end, and wherever you go, he will follow. As a friend, he acknowledges that the warden is the one who will protect him, not the other way around (laughs about the warden crushing the crows skulls while he mocks them).
If the warden does the Ultimate Sacrifice, he breaks, and after a year goes after the Crows. He never lets anyone close to him again. He's a shell of the wonderful, loving, compassionate man he was; everything that was good about him died with the warden.
So Awakening bothers me. Not so much that he went after the crows -- they most likely would have to be dealt with. But why would he go without the warden? He acknowledges that the warden can kill the crows, and has vowed to be by the warden's side. Of course, in Awakening the crows are no longer intimidated by the warden as they were in Origins, so something changed.
Ok, so I deal with the fact he goes after the Crows, and the warden doesn't because, perhaps of gray warden business? Fully planning on catching up.
But according to the Witch Hunt map, this is taking place 2 years after the mother is killed. I don't know about anyone else, but having them be separated nearly 3 years, with the warden having to chase after Zevran, destroys the ending of the love story for me in a major way. Origins ended with two people completely committed and devoted to each other. Awakening takes away the part where the man wanted to be redeemed, to begin again, and puts him back to being the cold-hearted assassin instead of the compassionate man. And Witch Hunt makes it clear that a long separation happens because of this.
Anyway, I suppose it's not my story, and I can accept that Zevran goes to Antiva. But without a damn good explanation of why this happened, it really does cheapen the entire relationships. Zevran wasn't really redeemed, and he leaves the one person he felt a commitment to, whom he knew could help him fight his battles as he helped him/her fight theirs (which, truly, was far more dangerous).
le sigh. I still think the DLC/Mod is a fabulous idea. It's probably the only way we WILL get that damn good explanation!
Zevran's story in Origins is one of redemption. You start with a hardened assassin, broken and suicidal, and let him live and join you, maybe because you find him sexy, maybe because you just like him for some reason, maybe because you want to find out more about the organization that has a contract out on you. Or whatever.
During the months, you can get to know him, hear about the monster he was, hear about the training that strives to take away his humanity, hear about his regrets over his actions and the bitterness over his training. You learn that from day one, he has never had a choice, and when given the freedom to make one, he has no clue even how to do so.
Through the warden, he learns a completely new meaning of friendship, and perhaps of love as well -- that these things most of us take for granted, he never knew in a real sense before. As your lover, he falls in love so hard that he will not be with you without a commitment for the future. Even sex takes on a whole new meaning and becomes, for him, and expression of love. He vows to stay with you until the end, and wherever you go, he will follow. As a friend, he acknowledges that the warden is the one who will protect him, not the other way around (laughs about the warden crushing the crows skulls while he mocks them).
If the warden does the Ultimate Sacrifice, he breaks, and after a year goes after the Crows. He never lets anyone close to him again. He's a shell of the wonderful, loving, compassionate man he was; everything that was good about him died with the warden.
So Awakening bothers me. Not so much that he went after the crows -- they most likely would have to be dealt with. But why would he go without the warden? He acknowledges that the warden can kill the crows, and has vowed to be by the warden's side. Of course, in Awakening the crows are no longer intimidated by the warden as they were in Origins, so something changed.
Ok, so I deal with the fact he goes after the Crows, and the warden doesn't because, perhaps of gray warden business? Fully planning on catching up.
But according to the Witch Hunt map, this is taking place 2 years after the mother is killed. I don't know about anyone else, but having them be separated nearly 3 years, with the warden having to chase after Zevran, destroys the ending of the love story for me in a major way. Origins ended with two people completely committed and devoted to each other. Awakening takes away the part where the man wanted to be redeemed, to begin again, and puts him back to being the cold-hearted assassin instead of the compassionate man. And Witch Hunt makes it clear that a long separation happens because of this.
Anyway, I suppose it's not my story, and I can accept that Zevran goes to Antiva. But without a damn good explanation of why this happened, it really does cheapen the entire relationships. Zevran wasn't really redeemed, and he leaves the one person he felt a commitment to, whom he knew could help him fight his battles as he helped him/her fight theirs (which, truly, was far more dangerous).
le sigh. I still think the DLC/Mod is a fabulous idea. It's probably the only way we WILL get that damn good explanation!
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Posté 11 septembre 2010 - 02:56
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ejoslin wrote...
I've been thinking a bit why WH has bothered me so much, and Awakening as well, and I think this is the place for my latest whine (sorry!). I know quite a few people will disagree with me, and that's fine. This is just my opinion, and while I usually won't admit it, my opinion is not infallible!
Zevran's story in Origins is one of redemption. You start with a hardened assassin, broken and suicidal, and let him live and join you, maybe because you find him sexy, maybe because you just like him for some reason, maybe because you want to find out more about the organization that has a contract out on you. Or whatever.
During the months, you can get to know him, hear about the monster he was, hear about the training that strives to take away his humanity, hear about his regrets over his actions and the bitterness over his training. You learn that from day one, he has never had a choice, and when given the freedom to make one, he has no clue even how to do so.
Through the warden, he learns a completely new meaning of friendship, and perhaps of love as well -- that these things most of us take for granted, he never knew in a real sense before. As your lover, he falls in love so hard that he will not be with you without a commitment for the future. Even sex takes on a whole new meaning and becomes, for him, and expression of love. He vows to stay with you until the end, and wherever you go, he will follow. As a friend, he acknowledges that the warden is the one who will protect him, not the other way around (laughs about the warden crushing the crows skulls while he mocks them).
If the warden does the Ultimate Sacrifice, he breaks, and after a year goes after the Crows. He never lets anyone close to him again. He's a shell of the wonderful, loving, compassionate man he was; everything that was good about him died with the warden.
So Awakening bothers me. Not so much that he went after the crows -- they most likely would have to be dealt with. But why would he go without the warden? He acknowledges that the warden can kill the crows, and has vowed to be by the warden's side. Of course, in Awakening the crows are no longer intimidated by the warden as they were in Origins, so something changed.
Ok, so I deal with the fact he goes after the Crows, and the warden doesn't because, perhaps of gray warden business? Fully planning on catching up.
But according to the Witch Hunt map, this is taking place 2 years after the mother is killed. I don't know about anyone else, but having them be separated nearly 3 years, with the warden having to chase after Zevran, destroys the ending of the love story for me in a major way. Origins ended with two people completely committed and devoted to each other. Awakening takes away the part where the man wanted to be redeemed, to begin again, and puts him back to being the cold-hearted assassin instead of the compassionate man. And Witch Hunt makes it clear that a long separation happens because of this.
Anyway, I suppose it's not my story, and I can accept that Zevran goes to Antiva. But without a damn good explanation of why this happened, it really does cheapen the entire relationships. Zevran wasn't really redeemed, and he leaves the one person he felt a commitment to, whom he knew could help him fight his battles as he helped him/her fight theirs (which, truly, was far more dangerous).
le sigh. I still think the DLC/Mod is a fabulous idea. It's probably the only way we WILL get that damn good explanation!
David Gaider said something quite telling in one of the Q&A sessions at PAX. The jist was that he would have liked to have all the love interests in Awakenings but that they had to work with what they had (or somethin' like that). He didn't elaborate on the reasons - actor availability? budget? but it he undoubtedly recognized that to have these characters would have been the ideal scenario.
Of course this is little consolation to us! It's a shame that Bioware is prepared to compromise the story to this extent. I would have rather had an almost silent Zevran (with some poached origins dialog) than no Zevran because, as you said - It makes no sense him not being there... he's prepared to storm the gates of the black city by our sides for ****s sake!
I'm so glad I refrained from buying WH, it's so annoying to spend money on something that lessens the great experience that was Origins.
For me the only valid DLCs were SP, WK, & RtO the rest, especially awakenings, either add little or actually take away from the experience.
I'd have been happy for no post origins DLC and an epilogue card with the 'at least for a time' removed...
...happily ever after:wub:
sorry... that turned into a wee rant.
#873
Posté 11 septembre 2010 - 03:08
ejoslin
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*grin* There IS an epilogue card that is just forever and ever -- if you stay with the Gray Wardens, Zevran stays and helps train and recruit, though he never officially joins. There's no "for a time," there.
I think what bugs me most (aside from throwing OUT that slide as in *poof* it never happened hahaha) is that the warden has to chase after him. It's like whomever wrote that slide had no clue about what happened with the romance after Zevran fell in love. Zevran is the one who required the commitment; he's the one who vowed to stay with the warden no matter what (if you take a certain dialog choice in a fixed game). Even the letter (heh put back in) in Awakening indicates that he wants to do everything in his power to be back with the warden and never be separated again.
So what's this two years crap in Witch Hunt? I'm all for resolving all the romances -- but not at the expense of other romances! *cry* At least Leliana and Alistair were in Ferelden, so they're not necessarily separated.
I think what bugs me most (aside from throwing OUT that slide as in *poof* it never happened hahaha) is that the warden has to chase after him. It's like whomever wrote that slide had no clue about what happened with the romance after Zevran fell in love. Zevran is the one who required the commitment; he's the one who vowed to stay with the warden no matter what (if you take a certain dialog choice in a fixed game). Even the letter (heh put back in) in Awakening indicates that he wants to do everything in his power to be back with the warden and never be separated again.
So what's this two years crap in Witch Hunt? I'm all for resolving all the romances -- but not at the expense of other romances! *cry* At least Leliana and Alistair were in Ferelden, so they're not necessarily separated.
Modifié par ejoslin, 11 septembre 2010 - 03:10 .
#874
Posté 11 septembre 2010 - 03:10
Jayelet
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After Awakenings, I have not bought any DLC, for that very reason, I avoided even get off the updates for fear of spoiling the magnificent me Zevran history.
From the beginning I could feel the irrational hatred that the character of Zevran up. Homophobia I get to play warcraft online, play that many years ago that I use, then see lines and lines to Zevran homophobic messages, leave the guild who had founded at the beginning. So I always knew they would try to destroy the beautiful story that had been created.
Time has given me the reason.
From the beginning I could feel the irrational hatred that the character of Zevran up. Homophobia I get to play warcraft online, play that many years ago that I use, then see lines and lines to Zevran homophobic messages, leave the guild who had founded at the beginning. So I always knew they would try to destroy the beautiful story that had been created.
Time has given me the reason.
#875
Posté 11 septembre 2010 - 03:51
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@Kornichon: congratulations.
@ejoslin: Agree, the time line for WH is really bad. I could deal with Awakening with the letter restored. I am ignoring the WH time line and assuming that it happened before Awakening or that it was so far after Awakening that the Crows had been dealt with and Zev was back in Ferelden - traveling with us but staying in camp maybe.
@ejoslin: Agree, the time line for WH is really bad. I could deal with Awakening with the letter restored. I am ignoring the WH time line and assuming that it happened before Awakening or that it was so far after Awakening that the Crows had been dealt with and Zev was back in Ferelden - traveling with us but staying in camp maybe.
