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[wildannie]

ejoslin wrote...

*grin* There IS an epilogue card that is just forever and ever -- if you stay with the Gray Wardens, Zevran stays and helps train and recruit, though he never officially joins. There's no "for a time," there.

I think what bugs me most (aside from throwing OUT that slide as in *poof* it never happened hahaha) is that the warden has to chase after him. It's like whomever wrote that slide had no clue about what happened with the romance after Zevran fell in love. Zevran is the one who required the commitment; he's the one who vowed to stay with the warden no matter what (if you take a certain dialog choice in a fixed game). Even the letter (heh put back in) in Awakening indicates that he wants to do everything in his power to be back with the warden and never be separated again.

So what's this two years crap in Witch Hunt?  I'm all for resolving all the romances -- but not at the expense of other romances!  *cry*  At least Leliana and Alistair were in Ferelden, so they're not necessarily separated.

I've never chosen that ending, maybe I should try that for some closure... none of my PCs are very loyal to the GWs (well not enough to rebuild!) after the blight... that's it... also I'm sure they don't keep the truth about the Grey Wardens a secret from Zevran.
... It's pretty clear why I wasn't too keen on Awakenings... no Zevran AND a plot that involves rebuilding an order that they were forced to join - noooooooooooooooooooooo.

I've moved from Xbox to PC and have not completed a game yet (thanks for  the mods btw - got 3 on the go and trying to re-create my 'canon' CE in the faint hope that Bioware will deliver a decent end in some distant future.  Maybe I'll get a character to be Loyal to the Grey Wardens yet!

[jenovan]

ejo, where *does* it say that WH happens years after Awakenings? O_o I thought the promo material for WH says that it was "almost a year" after the end of the Blight -- long enough for Morri to have popped the baby out and not require a preggers model, I guess. But at that time I think the accepted/expected timeline was that Awakenings was 6 months after Origins, and then WH sometime shortly thereafter.



Is there something in the game that says otherwise?

[ejoslin]

jenovan, yes, there is. If you play on an Awakening save, if you mouse over whatever it is that is skulled out, it says it's been two years since the Mother was slain.

This is the timeline as what would make sense:

Awakening cannot take place 6 months after Origins because of the royal wedding and subsequent tour. So say, 9 months afterwards? I'm not sure. Maybe the royal wedding was handwaved? Then you have about 3 months in the events of Awakening? Just from comments made in the game; again, I'm not sure. Then two years later, you start the Witch Hunt.

Yeh. The only character this has any chance of working for is my HNF who married Alistair for political reasons. I can see her sticking around Ferelden to get Ferelden a decent start then asking Alistair to put her aside for a wife who can give him an heir, and going to Antiva. Any other warden I can't see sticking around for that long in Ferelden at ALL.

Modifié par ejoslin, 11 septembre 2010 - 05:03 .

[frostajulie]

It is sorrowful the way the Zevran romance has been treated by bioware. They never gave a crap about him after the origins game. Every DLC was out of character and the expansion is out of character for him without some convoluted mind twisting. He is one of the most dynamic and intriguing characters ever created in a game and no one gives a crap about him and the wardens he romanced other than his fans.



Am I bitter.



Yes. Very much so.

[Giggles_Manically]

I agree Zevran got the least amount of attention after Origins.



Which is really unfair.



I did not like him that much, but he actually won me over, and had me laughing alot even though I didnt romance him. I dont know why we needed Golems/DSC since they are only dungeon crawls.



They should have used those to expand on Origins not just be a staby staby pointless DLC.

[ejoslin]

Oh, a DLC would have been nice, but probably too much to hope for :/ What bugs me most is that despite there being no additional content, they changed the ending of it, from a seriously committed loving one, to one where the warden, eventually, chases after him.

Ok, I get that Zevran wasn't a popular character and all that (though I really don't think that's true) and DLCs regarding darkspawn and golems would sell better (though again, I seriously doubt that). So leave the romance alone, and let the people who enjoyed it keep their happy ending.

Was it homophobia that caused it? I would like to say, "no," but then another part of me thinks that some people, at least on some level, did not like the idea of a happily-ever-after with two men.

Ah well, complaining here won't change a thing :/

Edit: And I want to add, yet again, that I am so grateful to BW for making a romance so wonderful that I'm upset over this!

Modifié par ejoslin, 11 septembre 2010 - 09:54 .

[Giggles_Manically]

I have no idea why people got up in arms about that really.

Leliana flat out flirts with the warden as a female yet no one rageslopded.



Ah well I guess modern culture is more accepting of two women, over two men then.

[ejoslin]

They sure are. Woman + woman = hawt! Man + man, well, I think hawt, but I think the people who don't agree are pretty vocal.



Honestly, though, if DA2 were to have a mention of the hero of Ferelden in Antiva with the leader of the crows, I'd buy it before it dropped in price. It wouldn't have to be a cameo even, just an acknowledgement.



GAH, that's sad to admit

[Giggles_Manically]

I would buy DA2 if I heard how many the warden left a see yah later note and ran off with some Orlesian Bard.



Gah lets be sad Origin fans both then.

[Zjarcal]

ejoslin wrote...

This is the timeline as what would make sense:

Awakening cannot take place 6 months after Origins because of the royal wedding and subsequent tour. So say, 9 months afterwards? I'm not sure. Maybe the royal wedding was handwaved? Then you have about 3 months in the events of Awakening? Just from comments made in the game; again, I'm not sure. Then two years later, you start the Witch Hunt.

Yeh. The only character this has any chance of working for is my HNF who married Alistair for political reasons. I can see her sticking around Ferelden to get Ferelden a decent start then asking Alistair to put her aside for a wife who can give him an heir, and going to Antiva. Any other warden I can't see sticking around for that long in Ferelden at ALL.

Ok, but does WH taking place (allegedly according to the map) two years after Awakening necessarily mean that the Warden spent all that time in Ferelden? Couldn't they have simply returned to Ferelden from wherever they were for the WH?

[ejoslin]

Zjarcal wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

This is the timeline as what would make sense:

Awakening cannot take place 6 months after Origins because of the royal wedding and subsequent tour. So say, 9 months afterwards? I'm not sure. Maybe the royal wedding was handwaved? Then you have about 3 months in the events of Awakening? Just from comments made in the game; again, I'm not sure. Then two years later, you start the Witch Hunt.

Yeh. The only character this has any chance of working for is my HNF who married Alistair for political reasons. I can see her sticking around Ferelden to get Ferelden a decent start then asking Alistair to put her aside for a wife who can give him an heir, and going to Antiva. Any other warden I can't see sticking around for that long in Ferelden at ALL.

Ok, but does WH taking place (allegedly according to the map) two years after Awakening necessarily mean that the Warden spent all that time in Ferelden? Couldn't they have simply returned to Ferelden from wherever they were for the WH?

I don't think so.  Aren't you still warden-commander at that point?  And weren't you informed by a scout's report (which would be a bit difficult to get to you if you're in another country).

[Zjarcal]

ejoslin wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

This is the timeline as what would make sense:

Awakening cannot take place 6 months after Origins because of the royal wedding and subsequent tour. So say, 9 months afterwards? I'm not sure. Maybe the royal wedding was handwaved? Then you have about 3 months in the events of Awakening? Just from comments made in the game; again, I'm not sure. Then two years later, you start the Witch Hunt.

Yeh. The only character this has any chance of working for is my HNF who married Alistair for political reasons. I can see her sticking around Ferelden to get Ferelden a decent start then asking Alistair to put her aside for a wife who can give him an heir, and going to Antiva. Any other warden I can't see sticking around for that long in Ferelden at ALL.

Ok, but does WH taking place (allegedly according to the map) two years after Awakening necessarily mean that the Warden spent all that time in Ferelden? Couldn't they have simply returned to Ferelden from wherever they were for the WH?

I don't think so.  Aren't you still warden-commander at that point?  And weren't you informed by a scout's report (which would be a bit difficult to get to you if you're in another country).

Hmm, good point. I suppose the Warden Commander thing does kind of ruin things since you can't do Witch Hunt without it assuming you are the WC.

I don't think the scout's report is much of an issue though. Considering all the traveling back and forth that is done in Witch Hunt, and how the mirrors end up being the connection between locations, it doesn't seem like getting the scout's message asap would be so important, so being in another country doesn't seem like much of a problem to me.

Now, if you do Witch Hunt with an Origins import, the two year theory is thrown out the window, right? I mean it was stated in all the promos and everything that WH takes place a year after Origins. In that case I'd say it's much more feasible to be separated from your LI for a year, assuming that the Warden Commander isn't even allowed to travel from time to time (which I don't think is the case).

Personally, I take things a bit more lightly. I only play Awakening with an Orlesian for both gameplay and story reasons, one of them being to not ruin the Origins epilogue. I'm also okay with RPing things a bit differently, so I can easily imagine that my warden isn't the Warden Commander in Witch Hunt (despite being recognized as so in the Circle Tower), she was simply called for this mission due to her previous relationship with Morrigan. Or I could also imagine that she became Warden Commander until recently, after spending a year on hiatus.

I don't know, I think there are ways where you can take Witch Hunt's story without it ruining the Zevran romance (or any of the other romances for that matter). It may require that you ignore certain things (Awakening in particular), but that's up to you really.

EDIT: I forgot that you can also play Witch Hunt with an Orlesian. So I really think that you guys can still have the perfect ending with Zevran intact, even with a Witch Hunt playthrough.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 12 septembre 2010 - 12:55 .

[payroo]

*faints* all this ridiculously awesome stuff has happened while I was away!

time to play catch-up!
Pirate Zevran prompt? YES. I am sad I missed out on this one!
Instrument of Fate? Let me just say I both shed tears and laughter! You guys are too brilliant.
Zevran mod? *goes to sign up*

Also, you guys have convinced me not to get Witch Hunt (for fear of wrecking my head-canon).

[ejoslin]

Zjarcal wrote...


EDIT: I forgot that you can also play Witch Hunt with an Orlesian. So I really think that you guys can still have the perfect ending with Zevran intact, even with a Witch Hunt playthrough.

Except of course if I decide to play DA2, I will want an import with ALL my decisions

Gah, I'm so hard to please!

[Zjarcal]

ejoslin wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...


EDIT: I forgot that you can also play Witch Hunt with an Orlesian. So I really think that you guys can still have the perfect ending with Zevran intact, even with a Witch Hunt playthrough.

Except of course if I decide to play DA2, I will want an import with ALL my decisions

Gah, I'm so hard to please!

Well, there is that... though I think that's true for everyone!

Modifié par Zjarcal, 12 septembre 2010 - 01:31 .

[jenovan]

payroo wrote...
Also, you guys have convinced me not to get Witch Hunt (for fear of wrecking my head-canon).

Welcome back! XD

re: WH in the timeline... yarrgh.  Up until now I've really tried to keep the game canon in mind for my personal story, but if that's the deal if you run WH after Awakenings, forget it, I made up a timeline I like better.  
/jumps on the "F you, canon" train

Modifié par jenovan, 12 septembre 2010 - 02:43 .

[Remmirath]

The time thing isn't that much of a problem to me, I suppose (though I haven't played Witch Hunt yet, so it could be more obnoxious than I think). I could fairly easily come up with excuses for Zevran to not be around for a month or two (maybe he stayed in Antiva taking care of one last piece of business? Maybe he went somewhere else to do something else?), and so long as it doesn't explicitly say anything about those intervening two years, they could've been spent pretty much however. In Antiva, in Denerim, wandering around - what have you.
Though, again, I've not played it, so if it does make it clear what your character was doing then that becomes more annoying.

I tend to pretty easy-going about that kind of thing, though, so I figure if I'm annoyed about it a lot of people are downright upset. And I really wish we'd gotten a DLC (and I could be wrong, but I think most people would've preferred anything actually story-related to Darkspawn Chronicles) or even just more ending slides. Also, I've probably said this before, but Zev-without-new-dialogue would've been a far preferable returning companion in Awakening than the one we got. Would've made a lot more sense story-wise, too (at least for me - and I think in general *romance option of your choice* would've made more sense).

I don't know if I'll be any help, but... -goes to join the mod group-

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I have no idea why people got up in arms about that really.
Leliana flat out flirts with the warden as a female yet no one rageslopded.

Ah well I guess modern culture is more accepting of two women, over two men then.

Sadly, it seems so. That double standard always really, really annoys me. If you don't have a problem with it one way, you shouldn't have a problem with it the other way. That's just kind of hypocritical.
The whole 'I killed him because he flirted with my male character' crowd gives me the creeps. I mean, I don't care if you don't like a character I like. I don't care if you kill a character I like (heck, I have in a couple games when that's what my character would do, though I admit I wince about it a bit). That's perfectly fine. But that particular thought process? Kind of scary.

Nonetheless, I really think that the people complaining about it were in the minority. I can remember a few people who were quite vocal about it, and one thread with a few different people on it, but that number is pretty insignificant in terms of the numbers of people playing the game. I think there were an equal number of people saying they didn't like any other character, though for different reasons. So... at least logically speaking, that shouldn't've had anything to do with it even just going by raw numbers.

ejoslin wrote...
Honestly, though, if DA2 were to have a
mention of the hero of Ferelden in Antiva with the leader of the crows,
I'd buy it before it dropped in price. It wouldn't have to be a cameo
even, just an acknowledgement.

GAH, that's sad to admit

I'll probably get it anyhow, but... yeah. A mention like that sure would be nice.

[Aroihkin]

jenovan wrote...
/jumps on the "F you, canon" train

I've been here for a long time, but I saved you guys some popcorn!

[caridounette]

Seeing how hard it it to just make somekind of timeline between the DLCs (Awakening, WH, and where does the Golem dungeon crawle fits in there ), im almost happy DA2 is Hawkes story. It would have jsut gone (even more ) downhill to continue the Warden story. Not that the writers are incompetent, but continuing a story with 6 hypothetical starts, 3 possible LIs, a bundle of diffrent endings that affect the the politics of 3 diffrent cultures.... yeah maybe they bite more they could chew.



I prefer to see DLCs and Awakening alternative sequels. Some of my Wardens will go to Amarantine, others will hunt for Morrigan and then some will go after Zev .

[BlastedLands]

caridounette wrote...

Seeing how hard it it to just make somekind of timeline between the DLCs (Awakening, WH, and where does the Golem dungeon crawle fits in there ), im almost happy DA2 is Hawkes story. It would have jsut gone (even more ) downhill to continue the Warden story. Not that the writers are incompetent, but continuing a story with 6 hypothetical starts, 3 possible LIs, a bundle of diffrent endings that affect the the politics of 3 diffrent cultures.... yeah maybe they bite more they could chew.

that's all true and well, but it really seemed as if they were willling to wade through the mess and create epicness, thus lovering my appreciation for the route now taken. and sucking out a little bit of enthusiasm with every release.

[Hilde]

Happy Sunday!
Help....
I am in need of some save files to test some new zev scenes out on. I am looking specifically for dm/hm/em. I have female test files already but will always accept others for variation .

The saves must be after warm with lovin already started or after.

The files can be downloaded to  http://social.biowar...m/project/3436/

PM me if you have files and I can give you access to download them. Thank you

Edit: Just dawned on me that the post could look like crazy lady trying to randomly aquire save games...so this is what they are for...

I paired up with Cmessaz to work on Zevran Romance Scenes. Loves scenes, extra scenes, etc.  We are working to make them compatible with all other Zevran mods out there so no worries there.

Crazy lady out.

Modifié par Hilde, 12 septembre 2010 - 06:16 .

[ICevoL]

Hilde wrote...

Happy Sunday!
Help....
I am in need of some save files to test some new zev scenes out on. I am looking specifically for dm/hm/em. I have female test files already but will always accept others for variation .

The saves must be after warm with lovin already started or after.

The files can be downloaded to  http://social.biowar...m/project/3436/

PM me if you have files and I can give you access to download them. Thank you

Edit: Just dawned on me that the post could look like crazy lady trying to randomly aquire save games...so this is what they are for...

I paired up with Cmessaz to work on Zevran Romance Scenes. Loves scenes, extra scenes, etc.  We are working to make them compatible with all other Zevran mods out there so no worries there.

Crazy lady out.

@Hilde -- I sent you a PM on this, but just to keep the forum updated -- there's a ZIP file with my Human Male and Elf Male at "Love" approval with Zevran for your use on the project page above.

I don't have a Dwarf Male yet, but hopefully someone else can hook you up with one

[ICevoL]

Aroihkin wrote...

jenovan wrote...
/jumps on the "F you, canon" train

I've been here for a long time, but I saved you guys some popcorn!

*hands jenovan a drink*

Relax and enjoy the scenery.  The seats here on the train are quite comfy.  I'm guessing that I haven't been riding as long as Aroihkin, but everyone is welcome here.

[Hilde]

ICevoL wrote...

Hilde wrote...

Happy Sunday!
Help....
I am in need of some save files to test some new zev scenes out on. I am looking specifically for dm/hm/em. I have female test files already but will always accept others for variation .

The saves must be after warm with lovin already started or after.

The files can be downloaded to  http://social.biowar...m/project/3436/

PM me if you have files and I can give you access to download them. Thank you

Edit: Just dawned on me that the post could look like crazy lady trying to randomly aquire save games...so this is what they are for...

I paired up with Cmessaz to work on Zevran Romance Scenes. Loves scenes, extra scenes, etc.  We are working to make them compatible with all other Zevran mods out there so no worries there.

Crazy lady out.

@Hilde -- I sent you a PM on this, but just to keep the forum updated -- there's a ZIP file with my Human Male and Elf Male at "Love" approval with Zevran for your use on the project page above.

I don't have a Dwarf Male yet, but hopefully someone else can hook you up with one

Then all I really need is a dwarf male..anyone? Thanks ICevol!

[soignee]

Charsen made me do this

After many hours, we made a mod!  Here it is:



PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE INSTALLING:

//-------------------------//
    Zevran DLC
//-------------------------//

    version 1.1



//-----------------------//
    How to install
//-----------------------//

1. Open the .rar with Winrar

2. Open the zevrandlc.dazip.jpg

3. Look at the zevrandlc

4. Close the zevrandlc


//-----------------------//
    How to uninstall:
//-----------------------//

1. Delete zevrandlc.rar and all contents.

2. Go back to bed.


//-----------------------//
    Credits:
//-----------------------//

PROJECT MANAGERS:
--Charsen and Soignee

WRITERS:
--Corker
--Soignee
--Tanith
--Jenovan
--Maradeux
--Tellervo
--Shadow of the Light Dragon
--Andrea Draco

TECHNICAL/PROGRAMMERS/DESIGNERS:
--Charsen (technical lead)
--Sarah
--Hilde
--Edrissa
--SKCM


VOICE ACTORS:
--Maradeux (German accent, female)
--Soignee (English accent, female)
--Sami Jo (American accent female/young)
--Purple Lady (French accent, female)


//-------------------------//
    Version History
//-------------------------//

1.0 Found picture on Reddit
1.1 Made mod


//-------------------------//
    FAQ
//-------------------------//

Q. Will there be a sequel?
A. Yes, but we need more hats.

Q. Does Zevran like owls? He is a crow, after all.
A. Shut up your face.

Q. Are there any compatibility issues?
A. Cowboy hats, while amusing, do not work.

//-------------------------//
    Contact Info
//-------------------------//

Your mom's house.

You can download the readme file and the mod here: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SPXPCQIJ