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[soignee]

Yeah I'm working on the scripts now, carry on >.>

Modifié par soignee, 12 septembre 2010 - 07:32 .

[Viva la France]

TanithAeyrs wrote...

Viva la France wrote...

For the Zevran fans

Haven't seen this one yet.  I haven't started any male warden playthroughs and the dialog is different if Leliana is jealous when you are a female warden.  Thanks for sharing.

I like this convo because Lel is pretty much like "If you can't be my boyfriend, then you can be my gay best friend." lol
just for laughs

[jenovan]

ICevoL wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...

jenovan wrote...
/jumps on the "F you, canon" train

I've been here for a long time, but I saved you guys some popcorn!

*hands jenovan a drink*

Relax and enjoy the scenery.  The seats here on the train are quite comfy.  I'm guessing that I haven't been riding as long as Aroihkin, but everyone is welcome here.

Ooh popcorn AND a drink, this must be first class. XD

I'd been standing on the station platform a bit, but yeah, punched my tickets and I'm all on board.

[payroo]

jenovan wrote...

ICevoL wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...

jenovan wrote...
/jumps on the "F you, canon" train

I've been here for a long time, but I saved you guys some popcorn!

*hands jenovan a drink*

Relax and enjoy the scenery.  The seats here on the train are quite comfy.  I'm guessing that I haven't been riding as long as Aroihkin, but everyone is welcome here.

Ooh popcorn AND a drink, this must be first class. XD

I'd been standing on the station platform a bit, but yeah, punched my tickets and I'm all on board.

*goes to purchase ticket, kiosk goes mad and eats my money.*
Damn it again, Bioware! All right, I will maybe buy WH when I finish this morrimancing playthrough (which is currently in the Korcari Wilds).

@soignee: ...you made me click...

[Korina1982]

payroo wrote...

jenovan wrote...

ICevoL wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...

jenovan wrote...
/jumps on the "F you, canon" train

I've been here for a long time, but I saved you guys some popcorn!

*hands jenovan a drink*

Relax and enjoy the scenery.  The seats here on the train are quite comfy.  I'm guessing that I haven't been riding as long as Aroihkin, but everyone is welcome here.

Ooh popcorn AND a drink, this must be first class. XD

I'd been standing on the station platform a bit, but yeah, punched my tickets and I'm all on board.

*goes to purchase ticket, kiosk goes mad and eats my money.*
Damn it again, Bioware! All right, I will maybe buy WH when I finish this morrimancing playthrough (which is currently in the Korcari Wilds).

*looks at latest DLC offerings*
Heh, I'm pretty sure I said "F you, canon" with the very first thing I wrote. Any room for one more on that train?

Oh, and I'm back... again. Maybe real life will stop throwing stuff at me for awhile!

[Aroihkin]

There's always room for more on the train.

IO wasn't intended to stick perfectly to canon events, and it's certainly not sticking to the DLCs, though I may have Alley stomp around Amaranthine knocking heads together if I ever get that far in the fic, just because the image is priceless. Zevran may not be in Antiva, though, and Alley may not stick around being the good little arlessa for very long at all. She'll have someone else to pawn it off on, I think. *clutches spoilers*

S&S... I have no idea. XD It's prompt-based so he'll probably at least do Awakenings. And by "do Awakenings" I mean "do Varel, at least once", because damn.

...What, it's the kink meme.

Also, I think there was a reunion with Zevran prompt I was pointed at for Tannu. Requires doing the Awakening crap mostly as-is for that. Sigh.

But I treat game events as a guideline, and the DLCs as more of a suggestion. Most of which I will ignore.

Modifié par Aroihkin, 13 septembre 2010 - 05:47 .

[EccentricSage]

I think the DLC are technically only cannon for your character's file if you play them with your character's file. The one little glimmer of happy I see about the approach BW is taking to DA2, is that they said there will be no cannon. Any choices you make that are relevant to the story and world in DA2 will be decided by how you played, what choices you made, what DLC you played, etc. Hopefully they won't slack on carrying over and referencing Origins files accurately.

[Minaleth]

I gave up on any objective canon of DA long time ago. There is only one particular canon for your concrete character based on your choices and IF you even send them to experience dlc content. And this situation sux in a way, since it seems that they don't have any continuous story to tell :/

From epic RPG I expect to tell me consistent story of the character. If there should be any choices that change the story, I still expect the authors to somehow integrate them so the story is still a consistent one. DA failed that.

So to save my own sanity, I imagine my Wardens story ends somewhere around end of Origins. Then they go adventuring with Zevran which might or might not include Antiva adventure. The end.

Modifié par Minaleth, 13 septembre 2010 - 09:46 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Halae Dral wrote...

The whole 'I killed him because he flirted with my male character' crowd gives me the creeps. I mean, I don't care if you don't like a character I like. I don't care if you kill a character I like (heck, I have in a couple games when that's what my character would do, though I admit I wince about it a bit). That's perfectly fine. But that particular thought process? Kind of scary.

Very much so.

Nonetheless, I really think that the people complaining about it were in the minority. I can remember a few people who were quite vocal about it, and one thread with a few different people on it, but that number is pretty insignificant in terms of the numbers of people playing the game. I think there were an equal number of people saying they didn't like any other character, though for different reasons. So... at least logically speaking, that shouldn't've had anything to do with it even just going by raw numbers.

 
Remember that what you see on these forums isn't necessarily indicative of fan response as a whole. I can tell you I've seen a LOT of homophobic reactions to Zev on GameFAQs, for example (before I stopped visiting those forums for my own sanity), and I'm sure there must have been others on other forums as well. That's not to say that that's entirely the reason why Zev got the least attention out of all the LIs, but the response isn't limited to the BW forums. Although, from various LI popularity polls on here, I've always seen Zev come in last

Concerning the endings/canon/timeline...I've not played WH yet, but I don't think it's too far-fetched to think that Zev's business with the Crows could've taken him 2+ years. If he had decided to thoroughly clean house and perhaps even reorganize the order, to an extent, then that would've been a pretty hefty task. I don't find it implausible that he would've been busy with that while the Warden went off after Morrigan. There's no indication that they didn't see each other again between Awakening and WH, is there? Who knows what he could've been doing? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Alistair and Leliana don't show up in WH either, do they? That doesn't necessarily cheapen their romances. Why should it cheapen Zev's?

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 13 septembre 2010 - 11:21 .

[ejoslin]

Alistair and Leliana, in their epilogues, are confirmed to be in Ferelden in their Awakening epilogues. The Awakening epilogue for Zevran reads like this:

"Some claimed the commander went to Antiva, chasing after the assassin Zevran. One rumor suggested the pair engaged in a terrible showdown in the Antiva capital, and others say they took over the Crows. Perhaps they adventure together still."

This is a pretty huge change from this:

"As for 's companions, they went their separate ways. Zevran returned with to the Grey Wardens, helping to recruit and train new members even though he never officially joined the order."

Of course, if the warden dies, Zevran breaks and you get this:

"Zevran lingered in Denerim for a time, mourning the loss of his love and working for the Fereldan throne as a distraction. Eventually the Crows came after him once again and he elected to take the fight to their doorstep, returning to Antiva. After four master assassins disappeared, the Crows readmitted Zevran--as their leader. He maintained a distance from his former comrades even then, and despite frequent offers of new bedmates, never loved again."

See, the ending in Origins has Zevran sticking with the Warden, though two of them do say, "for a time."

Anyway, this is going to be wall-of-text-y but, hmmm, to me, this is how it cheapens it:

Zevran didn't want to go back to the old life of being in the Crows. If you ask him if he still wants to die in a conversation you only get after he hits either "adore" or "friendly" he says no, he wants to begin again. After he falls in love, he does require the warden to commit to him, promise him a future together. In unbugged dialog, he may vow to follow the warden no matter where they go. In the ending, he is prepared to face the crows with the warden, and to his lover will say, "You caught me, and now you're stuck with me. Sad, but we'll manage."

I find it very hard to believe that within a few months, Zevran would leave the warden and go to Antiva without him/her. That he would stay away for years, and that the warden would end up having to chase him down. It changes the ending from Origins considerably.

Edit: I understand that part of it is that they didn't include Zevran in awakening.  But having them separated for years, for no good reason, takes away a lot.  If they were going to build on the crow story line, ok.  But they didn't.  Again, if in DA2 there is mention of the warden being with the leader of the crows, all would be forgiven for me.  

It's just the warden hanging out in Ferelden for two years while Zevran is in Antiva dealing with the crows by himself is a bit too much.

Second edit: I need to make a sign that says something like this:  ejoslin, crying about Zevran's romance since 2010! 

Modifié par ejoslin, 13 septembre 2010 - 12:05 .

[Nilfalasiel]

ejoslin wrote...

Alistair and Leliana, in their epilogues, are confirmed to be in Ferelden in their Awakening epilogues.

I know that. I was talking about Witch Hunt. Is there any mention of Alistair's or Leliana's whereabouts in that?
 

See, the ending in Origins has Zevran sticking with the Warden, though two of them do say, "for a time."

I always thought that the "for a time" referred to their adventuring, not to their staying together. Like, they went adventuring for a time, then did something else.

In unbugged dialog, he may vow to follow the warden no matter where they go. In the ending, he is prepared to face the crows with the warden, and to his lover will say, "You caught me, and now you're stuck with me. Sad, but we'll manage."

When does he say that line? I just finished a PC-playthrough with Zev Dialog Fixes installed, and his ending dialogue was the same as I remembered it from the PS3. Does he say this if you tell him he can leave?

I find it very hard to believe that within a few months, Zevran would leave the warden and go to Antiva without him/her. That he would stay away for years, and that the warden would end up having to chase him down. It changes the ending from Origins considerably.

I guess you can blame the "chasing him down" part on the hearsay element included in the epilogue. "Some claimed" isn't a reliable source of information at all, and the general public may not have even been aware that the Warden and Zev were involved in a romance. So the Warden leaving to go after him could very well be interpreted as chasing him down. But I don't think it's supposed to mean that there was any real hostility involved. The letter from Awakening is very affectionate, and there are no unequivocal indications that something might have gone wrong.

I understand that part of it is that they didn't include Zevran in awakening.  But having them separated for years, for no good reason, takes away a lot.  If they were going to build on the crow story line, ok.  But they didn't.  Again, if in DA2 there is mention of the warden being with the leader of the crows, all would be forgiven for me.  

It's just the warden hanging out in Ferelden for two years while Zevran is in Antiva dealing with the crows by himself is a bit too much.  

Yeah, I understand that it is a long time to keep him away, but what I'm saying is that there could be valid storyline justifications for it, which don't necessarily involve Zev getting tired of the Warden and running away to do his own thing. I don't think he'd do that, considering his development in Origins. Or at least, not the way you could interpret it from Awakening and the DLC. Of course, I would've preferred him to be present in at least one of these, or a more thorough explanation for his whereabouts being given. But I just don't think that the information we are given outright ruins anything beyond hope.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 13 septembre 2010 - 12:12 .

[ejoslin]

While they are not in Witch Hunt, they ARE in Ferelden. I do agree with the "for a time," when it comes to travelling. My point was, at the end of Origins, they were sticking together. A few months later, in Awakening, they're apart for budget reasons



And no, at the Denerim gates, if you tell him (if you have ZDF or Gatekiss installed), "Don't say your goodbyes just yet," he answers, "Of course not. Wherever you go, I will gladly follow."



But again, in Origins, Zevran is fully confident that the Warden can handle the crows. It's not unless the warden dies that he goes after them and then takes them over. I would assume that is because he no longer is being protected by the Gray Warden. One of the friendship things he says in the epilogue is this: "Then let the Crows bring it on. I can mock them while you crush their skulls." Of course, if he's in love, you get this instead, "Naturally. You caught me and now you're stuck with me, I'm afraid. Sad, I know, but we'll manage somehow."



I don't take the "chase him down," as hostile so much as... you have to chase him! A few years later, at that!



If there were valid story reasons, ok, then yes, I can deal with that. But I honestly don't see any. Just on a personal level, would you wait around for 2 years after the Mother died before chasing him to Antiva? Someone you love is doing something extremely dangerous that you could help make a lot less dangerous, yet you stay away?



And the "chasing him down" heresay or not, to perhaps have a terrible showdown with him (against each other? or against the crows?) or taking over the Crows is really poor wording, IMO. Again, in the context of the way Origins ended especially.



Ah well, I'm glad not everyone has the same problems with the way his story was changed than I do.

[Nilfalasiel]

ejoslin wrote...

And no, at the Denerim gates, if you tell him (if you have ZDF or Gatekiss installed), "Don't say your goodbyes just yet," he answers, "Of course not. Wherever you go, I will gladly follow."

Yeah, I couldn't leave him at the Gates...And then I remembered that you HAD to leave him to get the Gatekiss  Ah well, I still have to do the US ending for the Achievement. I'll leave him at the Gates for that. Can't have him watch the Warden die.

But again, in Origins, Zevran is fully confident that the Warden can handle the crows. It's not unless the warden dies that he goes after them and then takes them over. I would assume that is because he no longer is being protected by the Gray Warden. One of the friendship things he says in the epilogue is this: "Then let the Crows bring it on. I can mock them while you crush their skulls." Of course, if he's in love, you get this instead, "Naturally. You caught me and now you're stuck with me, I'm afraid. Sad, I know, but we'll manage somehow."

But what convo option do you have to pick for him to answer that?

As for Zev's confidence that the Warden can handle the Crows, it could be misplaced. Yes, he's an experienced assassin, but he doesn't know everything. I mean, they were able to blindside him with the whole Rinna fiasco (which wasn't too long ago in Origins), and Zev does like to brag. So I don't find it implausible that the Crows eventually came up with an elaborate ambush, or an attempt at the Warden's life that almost succeeded: something that would rile him up and make him go after them without wanting to put the Warden's life in danger. Consider: it would be MUCH easier for Zev to infiltrate back into the Crows and plan an inside job, rather than involving the Warden, who would totally stand out in that environment and has no knowledge of Antivan politics/customs to help her/him out. I think it's not a case of Zev no longer being protected by the Warden, but more of a case of Zev's sole presence no longer being enough to protect the Warden from the Crows.

If there were valid story reasons, ok, then yes, I can deal with that. But I honestly don't see any. Just on a personal level, would you wait around for 2 years after the Mother died before chasing him to Antiva? Someone you love is doing something extremely dangerous that you could help make a lot less dangerous, yet you stay away?

As I've said above, I actually think it could be more efficient for Zev to plan that one on his own. The Warden's presence in Antiva might just make the whole thing more dangerous. 'Course, after two years, the Warden is probably like "eh, screw that, this whole 'stealthy infiltration' bit isn't working, I'm gonna go lend a hand and kick some Crow ass".

And the "chasing him down" heresay or not, to perhaps have a terrible showdown with him (against each other? or against the crows?) or taking over the Crows is really poor wording, IMO. Again, in the context of the way Origins ended especially.

Oh, hearsay could very probably have interpreted that story as a showdown against each other. The rumour mill is a terrible thing when it comes to factual accuracy. Broken telephone syndrome, and all that (or however you call that game in English...where you whisper something to someone, and they have to whisper it to someone else, even if they didn't hear it properly). That doesn't mean that that's what happened. I know, it's maddening. But the fact is, they're not outright telling us "Zev broke up with you and left to do his own thing, and then you had to go kick his ass back into line". There is room for an interpretation that doesn't destroy everything Origins achieved. IMO, at least.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 13 septembre 2010 - 12:37 .

[ejoslin]

You don't have to leave him to get the kiss if you're using Gatekiss!  Charsen added all the kisses (kisses are in the notes, just not added in the game).  In an unfixed game, in order to get "love" dialog you have to leave him at the gates, but with fixes in, you don't need to.  If you're getting his friendship dialog on a PC, you can mod it.  ZDF fixes it, Gatekiss fixes it, and it's worth seeing.  The dialog there is so sweet and loving.  

The crushed skulls is only if he doesn't love the warden.  It's if you tell him he's welcome to stay when he speculates about the crows coming after him.  The "you caught me," is if you tell him you're staying/traveling/returning to the gray wardens only if he stays/goes/returns with you.

The crows, in Origins, were not supposed to go after the warden again.  There's a huge point made that the Crows always keep their word, thats how they've survived, and that whoever had the remaining contract would not get help.  They also basically ask the Warden to join them.  Yeh, that could all be BS, but by saying it's BS, it's a handwave.

The Crows also steal my warden's sword, the sword she still had in Witch Hunt  Nitpicky, but also goes to show that she had not taken over the crows at that point.

And Zevran was openly meeting with the masters according to the letter he sent.  He was debating killing the guild master in his letter -- wondering whether he should meet him or kill him.  And you have this letter at the beginning of Awakening, so it's been over two years at the end of Witch Hunt.

Modifié par ejoslin, 13 septembre 2010 - 12:55 .

[dbfandillyjam]

Awakening is a train wreck of inconstancy. I mean Zev says he plans on returning to the warden in his letter. Then at the end the epilogue reads that the warden went to Antiva. The warden wouldn't have had to go to Antiva since Zev planned on returning. If it had mentioned a rumor about him being captured or killed it would make sense but there isn't. Because of this I never play Awakenings with a Zev romance.

[Nilfalasiel]

ejoslin wrote...

You don't have to leave him to get the kiss if you're using Gatekiss!  Charsen added all the kisses.  In an unfixed game, in order to get "love" dialog you have to leave him at the gates, but with fixes in, you don't need to.  If you're getting his friendship dialog on a PC, you can mod it.  ZDF fixes it, Gatekiss fixes it, and someone-who-will-remain-nameless-but-used-my-readme-to-make-his-mod-and-not-give-me-proper-credit does as well  His dialog, fixed, is beautiful there.

Huh...That's odd. I have both ZDF and Gatekisses installed, and what I got when bringing Zev along (he was at "love", of course) was the "By your side I would storm the Dark City itself" line. No kiss after that. So I assumed you had to leave him at the Gates to get the kiss. Now I'm confused

The crushed skulls is only if he doesn't love the warden.  It's if you tell him he's welcome to stay when he speculates about the crows coming after him.  The "you caught me," is if you tell him you're staying/traveling/returning to the gray wardens only if he stays/goes/returns with you.

Ah yes, ok. I just picked that I was going back to the Wardens no matter what. My gal's got a dutiful streak. It's a good thing Zev asks to tag along

The crows, in Origins, were not supposed to go after the warden again.  There's a huge point made that the Crows always keep their word, thats how they've survived, and that whoever had the remaining contract would not get help.  They also basically ask the Warden to join them.  Yeh, that could all be BS, but by saying it's BS, it's a handwave.

That's a good point. In fact, that could very well be the single strongest argument in favour of Zev simply going off after the Crows without any provocation. In that case, it could be a preventive measure on his part, but that I find much harder to buy than him leaving in response to a Crow attack. However, you could very well imagine that dissension arose within the Crows and someone decided to off the Warden anyway, even if it meant breaking the Crows' word. But that's getting a bit too speculative.

Question though: do the Crows still promise not to go after the Warden if she/he refuses to do the Trial of Crows questline? I'm a little fuzzy on the details there: I can't remember at what point Ignacio says that they'll lay off.

And Zevran was openly meeting with the masters according to the letter he sent.  He was debating killing the guild master in his letter -- wondering whether he should meet him or kill him.  And you have this letter at the beginning of Awakening, so it's been over two years at the end of Witch Hunt.

He could very well be openly meeting with the Masters and still be planning to kill them without them knowing it. And of course, he wouldn't have to hide that kind of information from the Warden (provided he were certain that his letter wouldn't get into the wrong hands...). It seems kind of foolish to be actually letting the Masters themselves know that he's planning to off them...As for the time span, who knows how difficult it can be to kill all the Masters?

dbfandillyjam wrote...

I mean Zev says he plans on returning to the warden in his letter. Then at the end the epilogue reads that the warden went to Antiva. The warden wouldn't have had to go to Antiva since Zev planned on returning. If it had mentioned a rumor about him being captured or killed it would make sense but there isn't.

Easiest explanation would be that Zev encountered difficulties, or the Warden became impatient. Of course, in reality, since Zev's letter was initially removed from the game, the inconsistency is probably just a result of putting it back in. You could still justify it by saying he encountered unexpected problems, but then, as you say, it would've been necessary to mention that, or add another letter from him explaining that he was having trouble. That one, I agree with.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 13 septembre 2010 - 01:08 .

[ejoslin]

You have a problem with your installation.  I can walk you through it, but it would most likely be best by PM.  "By your side I would storm the gates of the dark city itself, do not doubt it," is a friendship line, not a love line.  Love version of the "dark city" comment when you take him goes like this:

Zevran: If this should be the last we speak, I want you to know... assassinating you was the luckiest thing that could have happened to me. (he is saying something earnest before the final battle to the one he loves)
Warden: Will you still say that when we reach the archdemon?
Zevran: I would say it at the gates of the Dark City itself. (intense, passionate -- prelude to a kiss, "Dark City" = Hell)

It's actually my least favorite response, but still very sweet.

There are a lot of bugs that I fix -- some of them are very noticeable.  That was the bug that got me into modding to begin with!

And no, you only get the promise of the crows not going after you (and them asking you to join them) if you complete the Trial of the Crows.  Ignacio kind of promises that at the start as well -- scratch his back, he'll scratch yours.

I guess my point was (if I have one) is that the Crows knew Zevran was in Antiva.  He wasn't making a secret out of it.  He was trying to meet with them, so it's not like the Warden would blow his cover.  But still, two years later, over two years later, it's just too long a time period.

I agree that everything about Awakening is inconsistent with regards to Zevran. 

Edit: The other "love" lines with VO notes are:

Warden: Let's be thankful you're not a better assassin.
Zevran: Ah. Cruel to the end. This is why I adore you so. (amused -- prelude to a kiss)

Warden: I love you, Zevran. I hope you know that.
Zevran: Yes. Yes, I know that. (amused -- he can't say it himself -- prelude to a kiss)

and my favorite,

Warden: Don't say your good-byes just yet.
Zevran: Of course not. Wherever you lead, I will gladly follow. (loving -- prelude to a kiss)

Now off to try to fix my toolset again.  There are a couple of additional changes to Leliana I want to make!

Modifié par ejoslin, 13 septembre 2010 - 01:36 .

[Nilfalasiel]

ejoslin wrote...

You have a problem with your installation.  I can walk you through it, but it would most likely be best by PM.  "By your side I would storm the gates of the dark city itself, do not doubt it," is a friendship line, not a love line.  Love version of the "dark city" comment when you take him goes like this:

Zevran: If this should be the last we speak, I want you to know... assassinating you was the luckiest thing that could have happened to me. (he is saying something earnest before the final battle to the one he loves)
Warden: Will you still say that when we reach the archdemon?
Zevran: I would say it at the gates of the Dark City itself. (intense, passionate -- prelude to a kiss, "Dark City" = Hell)

Gah! Figures that I'd have something go wrong  In that case, I wouldn't mind you telling me what to do, please. I've got other mods installed, if you want me to PM you which (I guess it's possible that they conflict with yours). To think that that's one of the bugs I most wanted fixed...Although it's strange, because, in my PS3 game, he didn't even say the Dark City friendly line. At least, not that I remember.

And no, you only get the promise of the crows not going after you (and them asking you to join them) if you complete the Trial of the Crows.  Ignacio kind of promises that at the start as well -- scratch his back, he'll scratch yours.

Ok, so if you decide not to help him, it's perfectly plausible that the Crows might continue to try to kill the Warden. Not that they really have a reason anymore, since Loghain is either dead or a Grey Warden himself...

I guess my point was (if I have one) is that the Crows knew Zevran was in Antiva.  He wasn't making a secret out of it.  He was trying to meet with them, so it's not like the Warden would blow his cover.  But still, two years later, over two years later, it's just too long a time period.

I don't think the Crows would've let Zev back in so easily if they knew he was trying to kill the Masters. In fact, they'd probably have killed him before he had a chance. I think he infiltrated back in on false pretenses, which he couldn't have done if the Warden was there. Even if Ignacio did offer the Warden to join, I think the Crows would be extremely suspicious if a Grey Warden suddenly showed up on their doorstep - with Zevran, who supposedly betrayed them, no less - and professed that she/he wanted in. So I think the Warden being there to help definitely would cause more trouble than if Zev goes in on his own.

[jenovan]

Minaleth wrote...

I gave up on any objective canon of DA long time ago. There is only one particular canon for your concrete character based on your choices and IF you even send them to experience dlc content. And this situation sux in a way, since it seems that they don't have any continuous story to tell :/

From epic RPG I expect to tell me consistent story of the character. If there should be any choices that change the story, I still expect the authors to somehow integrate them so the story is still a consistent one. DA failed that.

I think this is what annoyed me. Yes, you CAN come up with reasons (or excuses...) for your Warden to hit every expansion/DLC and have done all that stuff.  But the 2 year gap between Awakenings and Witch Hunt seems arbitrarily long to me. I wonder if it aligns with something in DA2? Heh. Because, as has been mentioned, after the kick in the stomach for the Warden that was Awakenings, I imagine a decent number of Warden-Commanders were like "F this, take this job and shove it". Pretty much all of the endings of Awakenings have the Warden disappearing within a few years (a Leli-romancer may be seen in Denerim with her a year later.. maybe). What's the likelihood of them wanting to stick around as Commander long enough for WH to happen?

Admittedly, I'd be less "wtffff" if not for this, on the Witch Hunt page:

Nearly a year has passed since the Archdemon's death, and word has reached the Wardens that Morrigan has returned to Ferelden.

Is the timeline magically different if Awakenings happens?

/minirant

So, yes, after trying to account for the "official" timeline/events/absences as well as I could until now, that timeline goes out the window in my head as I rearrange the inconsistencies to make more sense.  After trying to stay within the lines, it's an annoying feeling.

ejoslin wrote...

Second edit: I need to make a sign that says something like this:  ejoslin, crying about Zevran's romance since 2010! 

LOL. A banner for your sig perhaps?   But you aren't the only one!

[Collider]

The people who kill Zevran because he's bisexual do give me the creeps. For one thing, it's horrifying that people like that even exist.

[Zjarcal]

ejoslin wrote...

Now off to try to fix my toolset again.  There are a couple of additional changes to Leliana I want to make!

Oh? Will they be included in your ZDF?

[Pygmali0n]

Collider wrote...

The people who kill Zevran because he's bisexual do give me the creeps. For one thing, it's horrifying that people like that even exist.

I killed Zevran because it seemed to be the funniest thing to do at the time - and that's what happens to fatalistic Frenchman types. Little did I know that I would be missing out on orgy action. I intend to let him live next time - not to help him get his tent pole up though.

[Pygmali0n]

Edit: Weird dual post thing.

Modifié par Pygmali0n, 13 septembre 2010 - 02:24 .

[ejoslin]

When I quit being so lazy, I will make it a part of ZDF, of course. I'm going over it right now, looking for appropriate "romance cut off" places. The one additional change I made is when she gets dumped, the romance ends during a certain conversation.



I'm kind of thinking about adding another romance starter for male wardens. There's a point where Leliana and the male warden are flirting but it doesn't lead to the romance starting. It really could go either way in that conversation, but there's no script notes saying the romance should start, and maybe it's not appropriate. But males who romance her do get a bit short changed.

[Nilfalasiel]

Pygmali0n wrote...

I killed Zevran because it seemed to be the funniest thing to do at the time - and that's what happens to fatalistic Frenchman types.

Leliana is the French one (all Orlesians, in fact, but she has a proper French accent, at least). Zevran has an Italian accent.