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[Sarah1281]

soignee wrote...

Rambling Discussion Time!

OKay so, I've been thinking about my  "canon" Warden (lolMissa) and her story, and where Zevran fits in with it. Indulge me, Zevran thread.

I don't know how many of you picked the "yes I will be Warden Commander and that way Zevran doesn't go away" option, but it seems pretty common. I did, but the pisshole that is Awakenings made me realise that Missa wouldn't stay around for that nonsense, or deal with the politics of what it entails. She runs off to Antiva to find her Zevran, and when she gets there things aren't exactly peachy.

The rambling point I'm making here is that some relationships aren't built to last and that I wonder of the "...for a time," endings with Zevran imply that he's not meant to stay around and be the sorta fairtytale ending for our characters. I can't work out it Missa and Zevran stay together or not because of who they are, and was wondering if anyone else had a similar trail of thought.

I know this is kind of blasphemy to speak about in some ways, but just because you split up with someone or it ends, well-- it doesn't mean you love them less or regret it.


Oh man this was on topic I need a sit down, I'm confusing myself.

I agree. The reason my canon doesn't romance anyone isn't so much that she hates the LIs. It's more that she knows that if she starts something she'll just end up leaving them no matter how good things are going and she doesn't want to be the heartless **** who dumped Zevran/Leliana/Alistair the minute the Blight ended and she got a chance to go home.

My non-HN who romanced Alistiar also had to accept that no matter how much they may have loved each other, he was going to be King and she had no plans of sticking around Denerim anyway so it was time to let go. (My Amell, OTOH, handles getting dumped very poorly and gets emo about it for months until she meets Anders and is over Alistair by the time he comes for a royal welcome twenty minutes later. But she's special like that.)

I haven't put as much thought into my other Wardens post-Blight but I really can't see any of the ones romancing Zevran to settle down with him someday. Their relationships just don't seem permanent although I'm unsure of what, exactly, happens.

[Eudaemonium]

I never really thought too deeply about post-game until my latest (canon) playthrough. This Warden romanced Ali at first, but took being dumped by him when he became king *very, very* poorly. So poorly in fact she refused Morrigan's ritual for the pure and simple reason that she wanted him to die. Then he did, after kissing her goodbye, and it pretty-much broke her. She ended up traveling with Sten on his journey home and Zevran (and Dog) went with her. Basically her and Zevran form a kind of relationship based somehow in their mutual brokenness, maybe fix each other slightly, maybe make eahc other more damaged. Eventually he travels to Antiva to finish things with the Crows, and she returns to Ferelden where she gets made reluctant Warden Commander (returning hero, after all). After that is said and done, she travels to Antiva and probably has a passionate altercation with him, or maybe they go travelling again.

(I have decided that Dog either dies or gets converted to the Qun and leaves with Sten [=P] in order to explain his absence in Awakening).

[Tellervo]

I figure it's doomed to end in tragedy no matter who you romance, since the Warden is going to go off and die at some point, so for fic I've been doing what seems most compelling story-wise. I think Zev would tie himself down, but not in a conventional way--tied to the person, not to the place they are or what they're doing. It's a sort of "we'll always come back to each other, but we'll also always part" sort of deal, IMO, that fits him best.



So I don't think it's so much a "love 'em and leave 'em" type situation, but more periodic separation. Does that make any sense at all?

[soignee]

actually tell that what I was groping for, but I was inarticulate again.



Dragon Age: Origins-- NO HAPPY ENDING FOR CHOO

[Corker]

I don't think there's a single right answer.  I certainly don't think it's blasphemy to consider that it's not an "ever after" romance. 

...maybe it depends on what genre you think you're in?  :happy: 

• If you're in a fantasy romance, then Zevran is the Player who is finally brought to True Monogamous Love by the Warden. 
• If you're in a romantic fantasy, it depends. 
• Stand-alone novel?  Ends like Origins and it's up to the reader to decide if she thinks it's gonna last. 
• Multi-volume mega-series?  They totally break up, reunite at least once, break up again, one of them goes Dark Side, is rescued from evil by the new love interest of the other one, but justice must still be done leading to a heart-breaking scene in which... you get the idea.

[soignee]

Eudaemonium wrote...


(I have decided that Dog either dies or gets converted to the Qun and leaves with Sten [=P] in order to explain his absence in Awakening).

Dog opens up a haberdashery shop and becomes obsessed with ribbons in my canon.

I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

Only slightly <.<



>.>

@Corker. Your last option is the most viable in my head. I can see what Missa and Zevran do and the Big Story Line in Antiva, but after it's WHAT NOW WHATTTTT NOWWWW

[Eudaemonium]

Tellervo wrote...

I figure it's doomed to end in tragedy no matter who you romance, since the Warden is going to go off and die at some point, so for fic I've been doing what seems most compelling story-wise. I think Zev would tie himself down, but not in a conventional way--tied to the person, not to the place they are or what they're doing. It's a sort of "we'll always come back to each other, but we'll also always part" sort of deal, IMO, that fits him best.

So I don't think it's so much a "love 'em and leave 'em" type situation, but more periodic separation. Does that make any sense at all?

That makes the most sense to me. You and he are not products of happy lives of contentment, after all.

@Corker: I think you hit the nail on the head there.

@soignee: See, now that makes sense. Dang, I miss that mutt. He could always be trusted to maul the nearest mage on command.

Modifié par Eudaemonium, 11 août 2010 - 12:22 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Dog goes and becomes the new Arishok in my canon.

Mainly since I cant see even the Qunari resisting the urge to pet his tummy.



Also my Dwarf Commenor was horrified of Dog, I mean the thing is as tall as you and could take your face off in one snap.

[Eudaemonium]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Also my Dwarf Commenor was horrified of Dog, I mean the thing is as tall as you and could take your face off in one snap.

That's why you get him to pull your chariot. Oghren was on to something there.

[soignee]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Dog goes and becomes the new Arishok in my canon.
Mainly since I cant see even the Qunari resisting the urge to pet his tummy.

Also my Dwarf Commenor was horrified of Dog, I mean the thing is as tall as you and could take your face off in one snap.

lol my Brosca was all WTF MAN WTF too. But then grew to love her the dorky thing. But would never, ever say so. Ever.

Dog is Dog to her. No name for it, despite floofy ribbons.

[Corker]

Eudaemonium wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Also my Dwarf Commenor was horrified of Dog, I mean the thing is as tall as you and could take your face off in one snap.

That's why you get him to pull your chariot. Oghren was on to something there.

I named mine Horse for a reason. 

[ArawnNox]

Corker wrote...

Eudaemonium wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Also my Dwarf Commenor was horrified of Dog, I mean the thing is as tall as you and could take your face off in one snap.

That's why you get him to pull your chariot. Oghren was on to something there.

I named mine Horse for a reason. 

An Amazing Horse?

[Giggles_Manically]

I named my dog Nugchops since Omeron planned to eat it!

Then he found that dog was able to keep his feet warm at night then he went and ate Schmooples instead.

[Eudaemonium]

So you exchanged a dog called Nugchops for some actual nugchops?

[Corker]

ArawnNox wrote...

Corker wrote...

I named mine Horse for a reason. 

An Amazing Horse?

No, because he was big and the chariots sounded like a good... waaaaitaminnit.  *googles*

KnowYourMeme.com, helping those of us 'without it' pretend that we are 'with it' since 2007!

All the same, I am not tasting Dog to see if he tastes like raisins.  I suspect the answer is no.

[soignee]

My lovely lovely lovely horse! Where are you going with your fetlocks flowwwwing?

[ArawnNox]

Corker wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

Corker wrote...

I named mine Horse for a reason. 

An Amazing Horse?

No, because he was big and the chariots sounded like a good... waaaaitaminnit.  *googles*

KnowYourMeme.com, helping those of us 'without it' pretend that we are 'with it' since 2007!

All the same, I am not tasting Dog to see if he tastes like raisins.  I suspect the answer is no.

Couldn't resist.

I would like to say, on the topic of Zeveran. I did his romance on my last playthrough with my Male!Surana and I wasn't all that impressed by it. It was more like "friends with benefits" than anything else, and even when he does fall in love (Which I was wondering about because it takes so long to get there) his refusal to go to bed with the character is... rather mean sounding. That, and even in love, he doesn't stop hitting on the other members of the party. Heck, the only banter I heard on the topic of him being with the Warden was from Lelianna and Wynn's "Love is selfish" speach. I was a bit disappointed.

[Giggles_Manically]

Eudaemonium wrote...

So you exchanged a dog called Nugchops for some actual nugchops?

Never thought of it that way!
Sadly all my dwarves have issues.
DC-Omeron ate anything at least once.
DN- Thorin obsessed with revenge and ruling Orzamar
DN- Dain would sleep with anyone at least once.
DC- Bob (no imagination tuesday) All of the above.

I think Zevran got along best with Bob.

[payroo]

Eudaemonium wrote...

(I have decided that Dog either dies or gets converted to the Qun and leaves with Sten [=P] in order to explain his absence in Awakening).

Laugh at me not, but in my Zevromancing head!canon I picture Dog following after Zev in Antiva when he tries to sneak out of the bedroom or whatever and watching out for him or something during Awakenings.

[Corker]

ArawnNox wrote...

 That, and even in love, he doesn't stop hitting on the other members of the party.

Heh.  My f!Brosca thought the 'magical bosoms' routine was comedy gold.  She didn't much care for Wynne.

And hapless m!Surana overheard Zevran proposition Morrigan (whilst the Warden was romancing the lovely apostate!) and the ideas it put into his head... well, Isabela was a poor substitute, but Morrigan would just have none of it.

[Tellervo]

Corker wrote...

And hapless m!Surana overheard Zevran proposition Morrigan (whilst the Warden was romancing the lovely apostate!) and the ideas it put into his head... well, Isabela was a poor substitute, but Morrigan would just have none of it.

Ohmakerdon'teven talk about the warden/witch/crow sandwich.  It's wrong for so many reasons, and yet so, so right.

[Nonvita]

@ArawnNox-- His flirting with the other companions is all just joking or trying to annoy them, and several banters actually do have him openly admitting how taken he is with the Warden. That silly Zev, always keeping his mask on.


@Soignee-- Was going to write out some long-winded and poorly worded explanation of my interpretation, but Tell already hit the donkey on the head, or the nail on the tail, or however the saying goes.

[sami jo]

*waves* Back from hiding, sort of.



@soignee: I can see Zevran staying with someone "permanently" under the right circumstances. He is hardly the dependent type, and I doubt he would stay unless he felt like he had something to do (which would be why the epilogue has him staying if they are rebuilding the Wardens together but only staying "for a time" otherwise). Several of my characters, including my "cannon", go off to rebuild with him (bite me Awakening). For some, the "for a time" would probably be accurate.

[Janni-in-VA]

soignee wrote...

Rambling Discussion Time!

...The rambling point I'm making here is that some relationships aren't built to last and that I wonder of the "...for a time," endings with Zevran imply that he's not meant to stay around and be the sorta fairtytale ending for our characters. I can't work out it Missa and Zevran stay together or not because of who they are, and was wondering if anyone else had a similar trail of thought.

I know this is kind of blasphemy to speak about in some ways, but just because you split up with someone or it ends, well-- it doesn't mean you love them less or regret it.

The love of my life has been married to a wonderful woman for over twenty years, now.  They have two beautiful, intelligent children.  It broke my heart that we didn't work out, but I was so happy for him when he said they were getting married.  I was just over the moon.  He is happy, and that is what really matters to me.  So, I could see a truly loving relationship ending because it just doesn't seem meant to be, but with no regrets on either side even if the parting is painful.  I think that even if the relationship with the Warden ends, they are each better for having known the other.

Now, all of that being said, I don't see why a relationship between Missa and Zevran wouldn't work out.  One of the things I like about a Zevran romance is the way he and the Warden seem to complete each other in some way.  In the case of your Missa, it's because each of them truly understands what the other's life has been like.  As Zevran himself says, "People like you and I are not the product of happy lives of contentment."  I could actually see the relationship being stronger for that understanding of each other.  Heaven knows the Warden doesn't intimidate him, and he doesn't want to own her.  I think that there is much which would actually argue for a strong, long term relationship, even if it isn't necessarily what they plan (at least in the beginning).  It seems to me that people who come to love through adversity actually love more deeply because they know just how precious it is.  (I'm not saying it's necessary to suffer in order to have a true love story, k?  Particularly not in real life.) 

Okay, I'm officially rambling, but I do hope there's a gem or two in the above possibly unintelligable post. 

[Cuddlezarro]

Giggles_Manically wrote...


Also my Dwarf Commenor was horrified of Dog, I mean the thing is as tall as you and could take your face off in one snap.

my Dwarf Commoners loved their dogs!

infact the dog is the only party member in the game I dont like being dickish too

and one of my commoners made it his sacred duty to ****** off wynne as much as he possibly could (this meant doing stuff like taking wynne along to murder the dalish)

edit:also my dragon age screenshot folder vanished yes all my Xander screenies except the few on my Photobucket and flikr are gone =( though i still have the dirty ones of him getting his ass torn apart by alistair

one of the few good things about Dragon age 2... is the fact screenshots featuring my main character will actually have more than a blank expression on his face for 99% of them

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 11 août 2010 - 06:44 .