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[Aroihkin]

tankgirly wrote...


By eitanya
Cuddle him to sleep, anyone?

Daww. Want one~

Re: why did the Wardens spare Zevran (and also, end up taking Sten out of his cage and letting Leliana tag along):

Alleyana explains in Immovable Object that she was just sick of killing Every Single Person to cross her path and found sparing someone novel. She usually doesn't have much choice in the matter.

Tannusen... well, he's a crazy thing that's crazy, that's why! Perhaps he thought Zevran might make another try later, but that's not necesarilly a mark against keeping Zevran alive. This is the guy who ran into Taliesen pre-fight-encounter and ended up hooking up with him. And continued said hook-up even after seeing his tats and realizing he was a Crow, and was most definitely going to try to kill him. In fact, that just got his motor going more.

So that's my two fanfic Wardens. Alleyana is beaten-down and weathered and is just so sick of death she could choke on it. Tannusen, meanwhile, while not actively suicidal... has a certain taste for embracing danger.

Similar reasons were probably in play for both of them taking Sten. As for Leliana... other than seeming a bit nuts, there's no visible harm in taking her along with. She didn't try to kill you and didn't get locked up for murdering an entire family, and you don't even have to come up with a reason to recruit her. She actively asks you to let her come along with you, multiple times in fact. So there you go. XD From a RP standpoint it's not much different than letting Bodhan and Sandal hang around camp.

Modifié par Aroihkin, 27 octobre 2010 - 10:42 .

[Corker]

maradeux wrote...

Prompt: "Do you stare at everyone like that?" - Zevran's eyes, Zevran's gazes.

(approx 30 min)

Scrutiny

"I do not care for the way he watches you."  Morrigan's lovely pale golden eyes narrowed as she looked away, across the campsite to the main fire.  The object of her ire was lounging there, listening to Leliana's after-supper performance.  The soft sound of her lute did not reach this far, but Erian Surana caught the occasional snatch of song from where he sprawled next to the seated witch.

"Why?" he asked simply.  It seemed a reasonable question.

She turned her head to look down at him and raised a fine eyebrow.  "You do not mind that a man who tried to kill you keeps you under such close observation?" Morrigan replied tartly.

Erian paused to give this due consideration.  "No, not especially," he said slowly.  "I am... fairly certain he will not try again.  But I asked why it displeases you."

She smiled and twisted where she sat, stretching out her legs and lowering herself onto one elbow so that they were side-by-side.  "You would tell him to cease his staring, to please me?"

He smiled faintly himself.  "Did I say that?  I think you are keen to avoid the question."

She pulled back abruptly.  "Because the answer should be obvious to any fool," she gritted.  "I am disappointed that you cannot fathom this riddle without hand-holding."

He frowned, stung.  "'Obvious' would be jealousy," he said.  While he had perhaps little personal experience in these matters, hundreds of stories and poems made the obvious answer clear.  "You wish that I should think you jealous, Morrigan?"  He was genuinely puzzled.  "It seems unlike you."

"Hmph."  Turning her head away, she lifted her chin imperiously, but the lack of an instant return sally spoke volumes. She looked back at him slantwise.  "Will you tell him to desist in his glances?"

Erian shrugged.  "I will speak to him of it.  Perhaps he is just looking to see if my armor needs repaired.  He said that was something he could do."

Morrigan glared across the campsite again.  "I sincerely doubt that."

[ICevoL]

Zevran plushie? WANT!!!


@Sarah -- Very nice Zev-introspection, here.  Great details on Zevran practicing his various stares to perfect them.  Thanks for sharing!

@Corker -- Heeee! Love the way you write Morrigan.  She is so very transparent at times with an LI, and Erian's responses made me chuckle.

@maradeux -- Great prompt! I have an idea, but it will probably end up a non-entry since I it'll take longer than an hour to write...

[Sarah1281]

@Corker: I love how Erian called her on the jealousy thing. She would really have no other reason to complain if he's just LOOKING. Well, for now...

[grillzzzzzzzzzz]

I've been reading through the last through pages and some interesting insights. Personally I can see a hardened Lel and Zevran sleeping with each other, other then that idk. She does think Zev is attractives and watches him. Plus she will be willingly to get intimate with him on two occasions. Unhardened she's more like "ewww" about Zev. As far as Lel and Zev talking about their marks, Lel will admit she did sleep with them and enjoyed it, but that's all she says and Zev likes to bragg.





As far as taliesan and Zev, I always thought they were more then friends and when it came to Rinna I think he looked at Rinna more, a person who didnt dserve what happened to her, although he did love her. In a way Talisan could be like Marjolaine to Zev. I think Gaider posted something about Rinna and Zev once. I could be wrong though.

[frostajulie]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I have no doubt Leiliana would eventually get bored being a chantry mouse and return to the life of a bard the question is would she continue to kill people without remorse. It sounds as if Leiliana does not discriminate who she kills, as evidenced further in her DLC while Zev when given the choice would be more discriminating with who he would kill as evidenced by his apparent regret and most people try to avoid repeating things that will make them feel remorse.

Why would she do that? She's been disillusioned about 'the game' and she knows all about the less glamorous sides of a bard now. I doubt she'll ever return to them although, especially hardened, she may leave the Chantry. There's quite a big difference between admitting she's bored at the Chantry and leaving (like she does in the game) and going back to her bardic lifestyle.

Thats just how her character comes across to me.  Leiliana loves traveling and adventure and would end up embroiled in something and should she have to kill someone she would do so without hesitation.  She has no moral qualms with killing to get her way and she may be disillusioned with the game but she was good at it and enjoyed it even admitting this to the warden after killing Marjolaine.

[frostajulie]

EccentricSage wrote...

I think Zevran has INTEGRITY. A word I don't think Lel would even know the meaning of. She lets other people as well as circumstances make her choices for her, even as she has the luxury not to. She speaks of doing good and passes judgment on others even as she does not sound as though she truly cared about the people she killed or tortured as a Bard. She strikes me as a silly hypocritacle girl who's too cowardly to know herself and lacks any personal sense of principal to stand upon. In place of principal, she simply spouts fairytail BS, or makes excuses. (The Maker made darkness, so embracing darkness is ok, for example of Lel logic)

Zevran tries to hide behind perverse humor and bravado, but beneath it is a person who has suffered slavery, indignity, and torture, but does not feel sorry for himself. He never had a choice, and yet, you find through dialogue that he does care about people. He wanted the assassinations he carried out to be against people who at least deserved it in some way, and he did not want his marks to suffer. He even tried to risk his life for a mark he had a crush on. He understands the neccessary evils in the world, and is straight forward and honest about that. When he realized what the Crows had truly made him, and how meaningless and negative his existence is, he tries to off himself. He seems to, deep down, be a very sensitive but proud person with a personal set of principals he lives by.
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That was beautifully said and so very perfect.

[ejoslin]

grillzzzzzzzzzz wrote...

I've been reading through the last through pages and some interesting insights. Personally I can see a hardened Lel and Zevran sleeping with each other, other then that idk. She does think Zev is attractives and watches him. Plus she will be willingly to get intimate with him on two occasions. Unhardened she's more like "ewww" about Zev. As far as Lel and Zev talking about their marks, Lel will admit she did sleep with them and enjoyed it, but that's all she says and Zev likes to bragg.


As far as taliesan and Zev, I always thought they were more then friends and when it came to Rinna I think he looked at Rinna more, a person who didnt dserve what happened to her, although he did love her. In a way Talisan could be like Marjolaine to Zev. I think Gaider posted something about Rinna and Zev once. I could be wrong though.

Hmmm, I don't think unhardened Leliana finds Zevran ewwwww at all, though she is not having sex with someone she doesn't love.  It's only if she's hardened that she will have sex without love again.

I also don't think Zevran brags.  I never got that feeling from his stories at all.  If you tick him off, you may hear a lot more than you want to know, but it never comes across as boasting, really.  He doesn't seem proud of the seductions, just very matter-of-fact. Whether Zevran loved Rinna, I think he thought he did.  But I can't get beyond him having no clue what love is when he finally confesses.  He just doesn't know a thing about love, and this actually embarrasses him.  Had he really loved Rinna, he would know what love is.  And he doesn't.  And he was so quick to kill her.

Taliesen and Zevran were lovers as well.  He tells the warden that in a particular circumstance, and it's confirmed by VO notes as well.  But I don't think it was like Leliana/Marjolaine.  Leliana was definitely in love with Marjolaine -- that's why she was a bard.  Zevran...  No, he was very close to Taliesen, but I would not say love at all.  Zevran wasn't an assassin to be close to Taliesen -- he was a slave, and murder was all he knew.

I would love to read if Gaider said something about Rinna, though.  But that type of thing normally doesn't he leave up to people's imaginations?

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 octobre 2010 - 10:08 .

[grillzzzzzzzzzz]

ejoslin wrote...

grillzzzzzzzzzz wrote...

I've been reading through the last through pages and some interesting insights. Personally I can see a hardened Lel and Zevran sleeping with each other, other then that idk. She does think Zev is attractives and watches him. Plus she will be willingly to get intimate with him on two occasions. Unhardened she's more like "ewww" about Zev. As far as Lel and Zev talking about their marks, Lel will admit she did sleep with them and enjoyed it, but that's all she says and Zev likes to bragg.


As far as taliesan and Zev, I always thought they were more then friends and when it came to Rinna I think he looked at Rinna more, a person who didnt dserve what happened to her, although he did love her. In a way Talisan could be like Marjolaine to Zev. I think Gaider posted something about Rinna and Zev once. I could be wrong though.

Hmmm, I don't think unhardened Leliana finds Zevran ewwwww at all, though she is not having sex with someone she doesn't love.  It's only if she's hardened that she will have sex without love again.

I also don't think Zevran brags.  I never got that feeling from his stories at all.  If you tick him off, you may hear a lot more than you want to know, but it never comes across as boasting, really.  He doesn't seem proud of the seductions, just very matter-of-fact. Whether Zevran loved Rinna, I think he thought he did.  But I can't get beyond him having no clue what love is when he finally confesses.  He just doesn't know a thing about love, and this actually embarrasses him.  Had he really loved Rinna, he would know what love is.  And he doesn't.  And he was so quick to kill her.

Taliesen and Zevran were lovers as well.  He tells the warden that in a particular circumstance, and it's confirmed by VO notes as well.  But I don't think it was like Leliana/Marjolaine.  Leliana was definitely in love with Marjolaine -- that's why she was a bard.  Zevran...  No, he was very close to Taliesen, but I would not say love at all.  Zevran wasn't an assassin to be close to Taliesen -- he was a slave, and murder was all he knew.

I would love to read if Gaider said something about Rinna, though.  But that type of thing normally doesn't he leave up to people's imaginations?

I'll take the marjolaine comment back, Zevran doesnt go on about Taliesen like Lel went on about Marj.  Leliana was defiantly in love with Marjolaine, wether Marjolaine felt the same is debatable.  I always thought Marjolaine more of a mentor to her then love of her life. 

yea I guess Zevran and Lel are polar opposites when it comes to love.  Lel is looking for love and acceptance, while Zev is looking for pleasure. 

The rinna comment by Gaider was said in the DA2 section.  He made a comment about why people call Zev and Rinna lovers when truth be told he felt she didnt deserve what happened to her.

Modifié par grillzzzzzzzzzz, 27 octobre 2010 - 10:33 .

[ejoslin]

grillzzzzzzzzzz wrote...

I'll take the marjolaine comment back, Zevran doesnt go on about Taliesen like Lel went on about Marj.  Leliana was defiantly in love with Marjolaine, wether Marjolaine felt the same is debatable.  I always thought Marjolaine more of a mentor to her then love of her life. 

yea I guess Zevran and Lel are polar opposites when it comes to love.  Lel is looking for love and acceptance, while Zev is looking for pleasure. 

The rinna comment by Gaider was said in the DA2 section.  He made a comment about why people call Zev and Rinna lovers when truth be told he felt she didnt deserve what happened to her.

She most definitely did not deserve what happened to her.  And he knows it.  And it torments him.

Edit: Zev is not looking for love at all, and does not equate sex and love until he falls in love.

I guess that's why the Rinna = Zevran's first love bothers me.  He may have had feelings for her, but love?  I don't see it.  What he did to her was beyond awful.  And the way the Crow master reacted?  The whole thing is what broke him.  Had it turned out she had betrayed him, he wouldn't have given her a second thought really, I don't think.

But he saw very clearly what he was.  And what he did.  And it was horrible.  And to his credit, he did not want to be like that any more.  But what choice did he have?  He couldn't leave the Crows.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 octobre 2010 - 11:13 .

[grillzzzzzzzzzz]

ejoslin wrote...

grillzzzzzzzzzz wrote...

I'll take the marjolaine comment back, Zevran doesnt go on about Taliesen like Lel went on about Marj.  Leliana was defiantly in love with Marjolaine, wether Marjolaine felt the same is debatable.  I always thought Marjolaine more of a mentor to her then love of her life. 

yea I guess Zevran and Lel are polar opposites when it comes to love.  Lel is looking for love and acceptance, while Zev is looking for pleasure. 

The rinna comment by Gaider was said in the DA2 section.  He made a comment about why people call Zev and Rinna lovers when truth be told he felt she didnt deserve what happened to her.

She most definitely did not deserve what happened to her.  And he knows it.  And it torments him.

Edit: Zev is not looking for love at all, and does not equate sex and love until he falls in love.

I guess that's why the Rinna = Zevran's first love bothers me.  He may have had feelings for her, but love?  I don't see it.  What he did to her was beyond awful.  And the way the Crow master reacted?  The whole thing is what broke him.  Had it turned out she had betrayed him, he wouldn't have given her a second thought really, I don't think.

But he saw very clearly what he was.  And what he did.  And it was horrible.  And to his credit, he did not want to be like that any more.  But what choice did he have?  He couldn't leave the Crows.  

From the way he mentions her it's like he didnt even know her for that long

[ejoslin]

grillzzzzzzzzzz wrote...

From the way he mentions her it's like he didnt even know her for that long

I got that impression as well.  I really felt, from the way he talked about them, that he was far closer to Taliesen than he was to Rinna.  Rinna struck me as an infatuation.  When it came down to it, he had no problems killing her, laughing at her, spitting on her.  It's a horrible thing.  The only redeeming thing about it is Zevran, at that point, realized just how horrible it was, and by extention, what exactly he was.

Edit: Many many people see this differently than I do and find the way I see it completely offensive.  But I just cannot see Zevran and Rinna as a tragic love story.  And I think what torments him is not her per se; it's what HE did.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 octobre 2010 - 11:36 .

[Aroihkin]

ejoslin wrote...

grillzzzzzzzzzz wrote...

From the way he mentions her it's like he didnt even know her for that long

I got that impression as well.  I really felt, from the way he talked about them, that he was far closer to Taliesen than he was to Rinna.  Rinna struck me as an infatuation.  When it came down to it, he had no problems killing her, laughing at her, spitting on her.  It's a horrible thing.  The only redeeming thing about it is Zevran, at that point, realized just how horrible it was, and by extention, what exactly he was.

Edit: Many many people see this differently than I do and find the way I see it completely offensive.  But I just cannot see Zevran and Rinna as a tragic love story.  And I think what torments him is not her per se; it's what HE did.

This. Better put than I've ever managed. He doesn't even call her a friend in the narrative; she's an elven lass named Rinna with [x] [y] [z] attributes that he really liked. Taliesen was his friend (as far as Crows go) and more.

And I do think that they were actual friends, just not as deeply meaningful as the Warden and Zevran become... but look at the environment they were in. I think if those two hadn't been Crows, they could have ended up a lot more like the friends the Warden and Zevran eventually become.

Taliesen even comes looking for him even though the Crows rarely take contracts outside of Antiva, etc. And if your Warden killed Zev, he's there for vengeance, even while knowing just how dangerous attacking Grey Wardens is. (Ignacio won't even touch the idea.)

I kind of get cranky at people hating on Taliesen and loving on Rinna. We don't even meet Rinna. For all we know, she was a stone-cold b*tch who only said what she said when staring death in the eyes to try to bargain her way out of death. It's not like Crows are unfamiliar with this tactic. At all.

And Taliesen is a d*ck when you meet him, but... so was Zevran when he first stepped forward and sprung his trap. That was both of them as Crows. You meet Taliesen for all of one minute. Zevran won't help you kill him unless he's... what, over 70 approval? Which to me means Taliesen is probably around a 70 himself. After a year (or however long the treaties take) of not even dealing with one another.

And no matter how Taliesen dies, Zevran is sad about it, and it didn't even go as traumatically as Rinna's murder did. Even if he didn't stay and see it happen, he's sad about it. Visibly sad.

*climbs back off soapbox*

( It's probably not much of a secret that I'm going to be working with Taliesen more than the game's plot strictly dictates I should get to... )

Modifié par Aroihkin, 28 octobre 2010 - 12:40 .

[ejoslin]

Yeh, Taliesen comes to bring Zevran home; they could have come up with a story. And another thing, Taliesen knows that Zevran could most likely have already killed the warden via poison or whatever so he knows Zevran is choosing not to go back. And he understands why. That he volunteers to take the contract on Zevran... it's the only chance he has of saving him in his eyes.

Zevran will fight against Taliesen at lower levels in two circumstances. If he's just friends he will fight no matter what. And if he's romanced but below adore he'll fight if you tell Taliesen, "Zevran doesn't need the crows any more." I think that as a friend, or when he's reminded he can be free of the crows, he desires the freedom more.

But when he lets his feelings enter into it, when it's between his former lover and his current lover, yeh, I think the approval levels have to be somewhat similar. He cares for the warden, he cares for Taliesen, and he is torn.

But you know, I never even considered that about Rinna. That is very possible.

Edit: Wow, this post went into unexpected directions.  Cutting out some of the squee!

Modifié par ejoslin, 28 octobre 2010 - 01:15 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Aroihkin wrote...

Taliesen even comes looking for him even though the Crows rarely take contracts outside of Antiva, etc.

Minor correction--It's Crow Masters who rarely take contracts outside of Antiva. Regular (mook) Crows like Zevran are different. (That said, I don't know that hunting down a rogue Crow counts as a contract rather than 'disciplinary action...')

For all we know, [Rinna] was a stone-cold b*tch who only said what she said when staring death in the eyes to try to bargain her way out of death. It's not like Crows are unfamiliar with this tactic. At all.

Yep. In fact I play this as one of the mockeries Zevran flings at Rinna when she's about to be killed:

Zevran crouched down before the girl so he could grin straight into her face. "You love me?" he said with cruel tenderness. "Love is just a word, my dear, a word prostitutes use to tempt their clients to return, and a word marks and traitors use to try and talk us out of killing them."


Another reason to be sad about no Zevran DLC. Seeing his past and his Crow companions would have shed so much light on these relationships.

Edit: Changed ****s to prostitutes because BSN likes its 'profanity' filters...

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 28 octobre 2010 - 01:31 .

[EccentricSage]

I'm glad to see more Taliesen X Zevran love in here, as I ship it, and think it's far more relivent than his infatuation with Rinna. I think Taliesen is a really tragic character who's story simply went untold.

[Aroihkin]

I've always been cool with Taliesen. XD You'll probably like one of my future fanarts, since I intend to do a "happier times" type pic with those two.

[ejoslin]

I don't think Zevran and Taliesen were in love, but I do think there was a genuine affection there. They were friends, they were lovers, they worked together, and they had each other's backs.

[Aroihkin]

Oh, agreed, in part because if it had been love Zevran would have had his meltdown like he has with the romancing Warden, so there you go. They were definitely friends with benefits, though. He says as much and I don't discredit the friends part, even if I think it was heavily tempered by the two of them being Crows.

The art I've been wanting to do of them is, like... uh... god, I can't come up with the right description. Grinning at each other and doing the, uh, god. It's like a fistbump, but with the edge of the forearm? I have no idea if it's actually called something and google image search mocks my attempts at description. XD

Gonna name it "Birds of A Feather" or something like that.

/eloquent

[Corker]

I'm vaguely obsessed with Zevran and Taliesen, but it's because I see their relationship as somewhat... tense? Conflicted? Dynamic, certainly.

Even if there was nothing else, there's the Crow thing. They need to each look out for #1, maintain loyalty to the collective, but also try to get each other's backs. Most times, these things are probably in alignment, but every so often... not. There's a tension.

There's the elf/human thing, which I can't see not being a factor.

On the other hand, it sounds like Zevran may have been the better assassin (of course, we're hearing that from Zevran). Certainly he sounds like he was more ambitious. On at least one mission, he was the team lead over Taliesen.

Now toss in the physical attraction to complicate matters.

It just sounds very messy and *interesting* to me.

[ejoslin]

One thing, though; Zevran on more than one occasion says he never had a friend before the warden. So I wonder if Taliesen/Zevran was actually more a "mutual benefit" type situation.

The only thing I am really clear of in my own mind is that before the warden, relationships for Zevran were really quite shallow.

Edit: But Taliesen DID come to bring Zevran home/avenge his death.  *sigh*  Who knows.

Modifié par ejoslin, 28 octobre 2010 - 12:30 .

[Aroihkin]

I've always found it interesting that Taliesen offered to come with him when he took the contract on the Wardens, and Zevran turned him down. For whatever reason, he didn't want to take Taliesen down with him on his suicide mission.

And I don't see Zevran as being stockholm-syndrome-y enough to be sad over Taliesen's death if the guy was some kind of crazy posessive abuser like I've seen him written in some stories. =_= This is Zevran. He doesn't get sad at a death unless it's something that impacts him.

Anyway, my main issue has always been the sympathy towards Rinna vs the dislike of Taliesen. For all we know both were awesome or both were total jerkfaces. XD

In my personal head-canon, Taliesen is just as screwed up and brainwashed and damaged as Zevran, and he gets the same benefit of the doubt as a result.

Plus some of my favorite characters ever are total jerkfaces.

[ICevoL]

ejoslin wrote...

One thing, though; Zevran on more than one occasion says he never had a friend before the warden. So I wonder if Taliesen/Zevran was actually more a "mutual benefit" type situation.

The only thing I am really clear of in my own mind is that before the warden, relationships for Zevran were really quite shallow.

Edit: But Taliesen DID come to bring Zevran home/avenge his death.  *sigh*  Who knows.

*nods at ejoslin*

Based on what Zevran tells you (either friendship or LI) after the Taliesen ambush, I get the impression that before the warden, Zevran *thought* he loved Rinna and thought of Taliesen as a friend.  Given how he grew up, losing his mother so young and being raised by people who were not going to show him any affection in order to "train" him properly, Zevran had no reference for having positive feelings toward anyone.  

Zevran seems genuine (and a bit confused) in both the friendship and love conversations about how he's [never had a friend like / never felt romantically about anyone the way he does] the warden.  I see no reason to doubt his sincerity on that, so I've always thought he'd attributed his feelings for Rinna to Love, and considered Taliesen a friend, because he felt closer to them than the other Crows.  Yes he had feelings for Rinna (I agree with the "infatuation" idea), and he shared something more with Taliesen than with Crow #65, but he'd never experienced a true bond of love/friendship before coming to Ferelden.  This is not to say that with different circumstances that he couldn't have been true friends with Taliesen or truly fell in love with Rinna, but by his own words, that isn't what happened.


Edited to add:  All of the above is basically me saying I agee with you that "before the warden, relationships for Zevran were really quite shallow."

Also, regarding your edit about Taliesen, do we have more than his proclamation of his intent to back him up?  Taliesen could be saying he's back for revenge when he's really there simply to finish the contract for killing the warden.  When he says he came to bring Zevran home, he could also be lying, just trying to get Zevran away from the warden so killing him for failing / disobeying orders would be easier (just an example of another possible motivation).  Not that there's any support for this, but given what we know about the Crows, there's no reason to believe Taliesen is being fully truthful, either.

Modifié par ICevoL, 28 octobre 2010 - 01:46 .

[jenovan]

Before I get my feet wet on the Zev/Taliesen thing:  Does anyone have a transcript of Zev's conversation with the ugly guard lady in Fort Drakon? 


Okay! *cracks knuckles*
First of all, I agree pretty much totally with ejo's summary of Zev's previous relationships.  He might have thought, at the time, that they were (something like) love, and friendship, but seeing how deeply he is moved by/for the Warden, I think they may not have been such strong bonds.  They could have been, perhaps, in another situation, but among the Crows, I imagine it wasn't safe (and of course, certainly not encouraged) to let yourself feel close to others.

That being said, and this bit is utterly opinion, I get an impression that Taliesen may have felt more strongly about Zevran than Zev did about Taliesen.  And perhaps Zev was aware of this, or perhaps not, I dunno.  But Taliesen offers to help Zev on what was seen as a suicide mission (I wonder if he understood Zev's true motivation, but I imagine Zev could have lied well enough to hide it), and then follows him to Ferelden to find him and/or finish that same suicidal mission.  He claims to have volunteered, and if that is true, I think he must have felt something strong enough to make him do so -- betrayal, maybe, or friendship still, with the former possibly springing from the latter.

ICevoL wrote...

Also, regarding your edit about Taliesen, do we have more than his proclamation of his intent to back him up? 
Taliesen could be saying he's back for revenge when he's really there simply to finish the contract for killing the warden.  When he says he came to bring Zevran home, he could also be lying, just trying to get Zevran away from the warden so killing him for failing / disobeying orders would be easier (just an example of another possible motivation).  Not that there's any support for this, but given what we know about the Crows, there's no reason to believe Taliesen is being fully truthful, either.

Taliesen's offer to try to lie with/for Zevran and bring him back always put me in mind of his attempt to cover up Rinna's death -- well-meaning, perhaps, but stupid.  The Crows already know that Zevran has turned on them, or at least tried to escape their reach; even if he and Taliesen finally finished the job, would they really welcome him back?  The fact that Taliesen feels the need to make up a story implies otherwise...  And yet, such a story would probably be useless, except perhaps to save face -- you know, one of those things everyone knows is a lie but is put forth as the "official" version...

Of course, perhaps he did come simply to eliminate Zevran, but again, I can imagine that might have been just as much personally motivated as purely directed by a Master...

It makes me wonder what they might have done if Zevran had turned on the Warden (or left the fight) and the Crows had won.

Modifié par jenovan, 28 octobre 2010 - 02:17 .

[Corker]

jenovan wrote...

It makes me wonder what they might have done if Zevran had turned on the Warden (or left the fight) and the Crows had won.

If Bioware wrote it?  They'd take over the Crows.  Because apparently it is Zevran's destiny to do so.  <_<

ETA: But but ambiguously.  Some reports would say that a human man was the new guildmaster, others that a fair-haired elf was the leader, and still others would say that both would-be conspirators had died in the attempt and the true leadership of the Crows was being viciously fought for in an invisible, underground battle that could tear Antiva apart!

Modifié par Corker, 28 octobre 2010 - 03:59 .