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[Bruddajakka]

Out of all of the companions Leliana, and Zevran make the most sense to show up again if they weren't romanced or you broke it off with them. Especially in the case of Leliana since she talks about wanting to travel.

[ejoslin]

Tree Huggerz wrote...

after this post, chances are we will see him again

qoute from sheryl chee

"Not an ex. Isabela is very fond of Zevran, and sees him as that cute elf that she's had a fling with a couple times. She probably believes that they could become very good friends and always means to look him up whenever she's in Antiva, but never quite manages to do so. There's always something else more important to attend to and circumstances always get in the way. But when they do meet, she's happy to see him."

Hah, I just take that to mean that she likes him, but not so much she goes out of her way to see him.

Though it WOULD be nice  As long as they don't totally screw up his love story doing it

[Bruddajakka]

Yeah I don't really take it as confirmation will see him again either. But like I said it also don't think it's unlikely.

[Sarah1281]

See, if Wynne is fifty-five and Loghain is only five years younger than her, why does she keep complaining about how old she is and yet Loghain is happy to engage in spirited duels in the Landsmeet Chamber and go dragon slaying? Wynne's kind of a pushover, it seems. And I've always felt that Oghren was older than 35, maybe in his forties.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 05 novembre 2010 - 03:34 .

[ejoslin]

Sarah1281 wrote...

See, if Wynne is fifty-five and Loghain is only five years younger than her, why does she keep complaining about how old she is and yet Loghain is happy to engage in spirited duels in the Landsmeet Chamber and go dragon slaying? Wynne's kind of a pushover, it seems. And I've always felt that Oghren was older than 35, maybe in his forties.

The only toolset age that is confirmed wrong (as far as companions go, that is) is Alistair.  There are others that are most definitely wrong (Howe, Bryce, and Elenor are all about 50, not 40), but as far as companions go... hmmmm.   I forgot Shale.

Shale: 500.  Although Shale was once a dwarf from centuries ago, before the dwarven kingdoms fell to the darkspawn, her memories prior to the last thirty years is hazy at best. She is familiar with modern life, although she feels very much as an outsider amongst it and has no traditions of her own. Indeed, she is not even aware she is a dwarf (or female) until the player encounters Caridin.

It's hard to say how old any of them really are.  I do think Zevran at 24 sounds right just because too many things describe him as young (and he comes off as very young as well). He looks older, but he has had a seriously rough life, plus he's from a sunny climate.  Leliana at 26, I'd place her a little older, but perhaps not.

Wynne works at about 55 I think.  Which I certainly don't think is old, but she may be feeling her age seeing as she's a little bit dead and all.

[EccentricSage]

ejoslin wrote...

Ooooh, ok, then nope, the Rivaini merchant prince is not Isabela's husband. Thanks for the Isabela info! Of all the characters for them to bring back from DAO into DA2, I'm not sure that they could have picked a better one (I like Isabela).

People's attitude towards her tick me off. Ooooh no! She's not a virgin! She is an unapologetic sensual and sexual woman! How terrible! *sigh* So apparently she can't fall in love or have a healthy relationship because of this :/ Ticks me off

There has been nerd rage over Isabela being one of the new LI?!  Aaaaaargh....  She's sexual in a confident, self gratifying way, not in a needy way, and not under false pretences.  She just goes for what she wants, no BS.  We've been needing a femail character who's sensuality serves herself, who is strong, and doesn't need a man.  She's especialy cool when you think about the little bit we know about her background... that she was a wife of a skummy Antivan merchant, and Antivan women aren't allowed to be fighters and inddependant.  It's so cool that once she had a ship and was free of her husband, she went off and became this exilent fighter with her own specialization and just does whatever she wants now.

She also isn't really ****ty at all.  She has standards.  You have to be pretty convincing to bed her.  Seems like most men she meets just get their asses handed to them.  My kind of lady.  I mean, the warden is supposed to be super atractive in the eyes of most the Warden meets, and the order is Legendary, plus you are Zev's new friend, and we know she fancies Zev and respects him.  Maybe she moves fast, sure, but life is short in the world they live in, especially if there is a Blight.  If the Wardens and companions failed, how far would the Blight spread before the wardens elswhere would be able to stop it?  You can only set sail for so long.

I mean, hell, I would have gone for it.  You only live once, as far as you know, so why not?

[Sarah1281]

But Isabela isn't Antivan.

[Asepsis]

Isabela is Rivaini right? Not quite sure.

Sarah1281 wrote...
See, if Wynne is fifty-five and Loghain is only five years younger than her, why does she keep complaining about how old she is and yet Loghain is happy to engage in spirited duels in the Landsmeet Chamber and go dragon slaying? Wynne's kind of a pushover, it seems. And I've always felt that Oghren was older than 35, maybe in his forties.

Wow I didn't know she was supposed to be 55, I thought she was more like 65.  My Grandma was 75 and still had black hair (except for that one streak of gray) and looked about the same age as Wynne. Also, she's a circle mage so I'm guessing she hasn't been out and worked out as much as Loghain, lol.

I always thought Oghren was younger then he looked, I figured all the booze and stress aged him a bit. 35 is right where I guessed him to be.

Zevran is supposed to be 24?! Really? Wow!

Modifié par Asepsis, 05 novembre 2010 - 04:01 .

[EccentricSage]

Sarah1281 wrote...

But Isabela isn't Antivan.

Good point... Makes me wonder how the heck she became the wife of an Antivan Merchant whom she described... was it as 'slimey'?  She really sounded disdainful reguarding her husband.  And if she hated him, why did she stay with him, unless there wasn't an 'out' untill he was assassinated?

Ok, making Isabela a companion for DA:2 very well may be the thing that gets me on board.  Was she married off against her will?  Did she travel with her husband, or did she take care of a home while he was away?  I'm so curious now.  I had the impression, though possibly false, from her convo with Zev, that she was living on shore, and her husband was away, and Zevran was sneeking in and having an afair with her while waiting for the mark to return home.  I guess I just assumed this happened in Antiva.  Antiva seems most likely, but I guess it's not impossible for it to happen elsewhere.  Granted, just how much would her husband have to be worth for Zev to take a foreign contract?  I imagine if her husband was Antivan, and she lived in Antiva, she would be subject to the Antivan Inequality between men and women.  But I imagine it must not have always been so, ether, as she's obviously adventurous and skilled.  I'm really excited to learn her backstorry.

[Asepsis]

I always had the feeling Isabela married that guy for the money or some other materialistic gain. After all she did get a ship out of it.

Modifié par Asepsis, 05 novembre 2010 - 04:06 .

[EccentricSage]

Asepsis wrote...

I always had the feeling Isabela married that guy for the money or some other materialistic gain. After all she did get a ship out of it.

But she didn't know she'd get a ship... Unless she somehow had the money to hire the Crows herself.  lol

[Asepsis]

EccentricSage wrote...

Asepsis wrote...

I always had the feeling Isabela married that guy for the money or some other materialistic gain. After all she did get a ship out of it.

But she didn't know she'd get a ship... Unless she somehow had the money to hire the Crows herself.  lol

Well the ship isn't the only reason obviously, side benefit, but I'm sure she was getting something out of it. I doubt Isabela is a push over that married that guy because she was forced into it. At least that's what I got from her character, lawl!

Unless she married the guy because, for some reason, that was the only way she could protect someone/something, which could be interesting. Perhaps she was threatened? Or maybe her slimy husband was actually nice at one point of time.

I agree with you, her back story is really interesting, I can't wait to learn more about it.

[Bruddajakka]

How do we know she wasn't aware of the fact she'd get the ship? Honestly got the impression she married him for money then hired the Crows to have him offed so she could inherit his estate. Sex with Zev was just a bonus.

[EccentricSage]

Bruddajakka wrote...

How do we know she wasn't aware of the fact she'd get the ship? Honestly got the impression she married him for money then hired the Crows to have him offed so she could inherit his estate. Sex with Zev was just a bonus.

That could be possible.  Just a matter of how she'd afford that.  The Crows are supposed to be very expensive.  Ether way, it sounds like she's going to have some complicated history.

[Sarah1281]

Wouldn't it be cheaper to buy her own damn ship?

[Bruddajakka]

Maybe it was a really nice ship?

[Chicken Fried Rice]

I'm sure we'll get a sad little love story when it comes to isabela, just like Zevran. The way she called him a bastard made me think he didnt treat her well. i mean she was sleeping around with other men during her marriage. i doubt it was forced, and i dont see isabela caring about politics.

[Asepsis]

Bruddajakka wrote...

Maybe it was a really nice ship?

LOL! I think the only way it would be worth spending the money on the crows is if the ship and it's crew had a decent reputation she wanted to keep. Or, perhaps, she tricked some rich noble into thinking it would be a good idea to kill her husband via the Crows. This I can see, hahaha.

I had the feeling she had nothing directly to do with it though, since Zev basically implied that it worked out well for her by coincidence. I'm pretty sure they would have mentioned she was a part of it if she had hired the crows, or at least Zevran would have mentioned it after she goes and accuses him of leaving her "bereft" of her husband in that joking manner.

I'm really getting excited about seeing this ship, and Zevran. I hope Zev shows up.

[EccentricSage]

I can't see her as a pushover ether, but we know life is hard in the world of DA, and many people find themselves in unfortunate situations they can't easily escape. I mean, just look at the companions... Alistair had no choice is joining the Chantry, and once he was of age, he was probably already starting his Templar training. Even after learning the dark side of the Order of the Grey, that Dunkan as easily could have been killing him by recruitment as rescuing him, Alistair is extremely grateful to have gotten out of his former situation.



Leliana's Bard training sounds like it was a choice she made, but once she experienced the down side of it... becoming a victim herself, the only way she could escape was the Chantry, and of course, she eventually wanted to escape that, too.



We all know Zev's story.



Morrigan only knew her mother for much of her life, was deeply indoctrinated, and harbors some justified fear of her mother. Other than that, much is not clear, but what does one do when one is an apostate, and daughter of Ferelden's most famous 'maleficar'?



Sten seems like he's never had any opportunity or personal freedom to explore who he is beyond what his people's leaders chose for him to be as a child. He is trapped in a cage of ignorance and indoctrination that goes even deeper than Morrigan's or Zevran's or anybody's, really.



Wynne is a Circle mage who got so tired of fighting her fate that she did a complete 180 and embraced it, becoming delusional and peddling it to others is order to vindicate herself.



Ohgren... Well, we all know how screwed up the traditional Dwarven caste system is. He seems to be happier once he embraces the social freedom of being a topsider.





I'll be surprised if there isn't some aspect of great tragedy and entrapment in Isabela's past. She could have been brought to Antiva by merchant parents and married off quite young to an older, wealthy merchant, for example. Hell, if she was an orphan, he could have practically bought her. There are many ways people can become enslaved or indentured. Maybe her parents owed money? Anyhow, it seems like if you are a young woman of poor breading in Antiva, there probably aren't many options. I do LOVE the idea of her possibly secretively having a hand in that contract on her husband.

[Sresla]

ejoslin wrote...

It's hard to say how old any of them really are.  I do think Zevran at 24 sounds right just because too many things describe him as young (and he comes off as very young as well). He looks older, but he has had a seriously rough life, plus he's from a sunny climate.  Leliana at 26, I'd place her a little older, but perhaps not.

I've never gotten the impression Zevran is under 25. I don't buy into 'wise beyond his years' - more like, when I think about it when he says "young, up and coming" I compare him to the Crow Masters (most of whom I mentally place between 40-50 and good enough to have worked their way up the ladder; I only picture an "instant promotion" happening in very rare circumstances - you'd need backing and influence and yadda yadda personal theories). He's 28-33-ish in my head, usually hovering around 30-31.

I used to think Leliana was younger but I've come around and think she's around 28-30, with Morrigan and Alistair being the youngest, and I'd say within a few years of one another. So 23 at the oldest.

[EccentricSage]

Sresla wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

It's hard to say how old any of them really are.  I do think Zevran at 24 sounds right just because too many things describe him as young (and he comes off as very young as well). He looks older, but he has had a seriously rough life, plus he's from a sunny climate.  Leliana at 26, I'd place her a little older, but perhaps not.

I've never gotten the impression Zevran is under 25. I don't buy into 'wise beyond his years' - more like, when I think about it when he says "young, up and coming" I compare him to the Crow Masters (most of whom I mentally place between 40-50 and good enough to have worked their way up the ladder; I only picture an "instant promotion" happening in very rare circumstances - you'd need backing and influence and yadda yadda personal theories). He's 28-33-ish in my head, usually hovering around 30-31.

I used to think Leliana was younger but I've come around and think she's around 28-30, with Morrigan and Alistair being the youngest, and I'd say within a few years of one another. So 23 at the oldest.

I agree with you.  I think Zevran shows some age in his face, and while I know he's had a very hard life, it seems to me like someone who embraced being a Crow for some time would have had to have had some years on him to get to that point where he was becoming famous for his ambition and talent.  I think he'd have enough history, trauma, and success for the situation with Rinna and his Master's reaction to have been so utterly earth shattering.  I think he couldn't have been younger than 25.  Younger people tend to be more insecure and maliable.  A younger person wouldn't likely know himself as well as Zev, nor have nearly as much wisdom.  Not even those who are wise beyond their years.

Besides, he spoke about his past blunder with that mage as though they were distant memmories from another erra of his life.  Like the way someone who just graduated college and is so much more educated and experienced now would look back uppon their highschool days when they were reckless and foolish.  Mind you, I understand this is highly subjective. 


As for Morrigan and Alistair, I think there is a great deal of insecurity in both of them, which really shows in their constant bickering and the way they express their own view of the world to others.  Morrigan reminds me of the outcast goth kid with the intelectual streek in highschool.  The kid who feals alienated to a point where she puts up a wall, and takes comfort in finding reasons why she is better and stronger than the rest of the world which shuns her.  Which is not to say that I think she's highschool age.  I see her as being in her early 20's.  She knows little of the world outside her home, save for a few minor explorations, yet is eager and confident in her gudgement of the world.  It's very young behavior patters.

Alistair also is fresh out of the Chantry, and was not yet a full Templear.  He seems verry naive and too used to letting others make decisions.  When he does speek up, his POV is usually not from a place of wisdom and first hand experience, but rather a mix of the Chantry's influence and his own emotional knee jerk reactions.  He is a virgin and an idealist, yet his ideals are rather nebulous and based around the same sorts of platitudes Wynne spouts.  Probably why he looks up to her and lets her behave abusively towards him.  I know a lot of it has to do with being sheltered, but there is such a strong sence of uncertanty and lack of direction or conviction in him reguarding most things, that he strikes me as very young, early 20's.  Someone who has not been a grown man for very long and who is still uncomfortable with his own hormones.

As for Lel, I'd say mid to late 20's.  She's had a crazy life of action, yet at the same time, also a great deal of luxury and relaxation.  And being a bard in Orlais, she'd probably be very preocupied with maintaining a sweet youthful girlish apearance and demeanor.  She tells Wynne that she is older that Wynne thinks.  Somehow I doubt anyone was mistaking Lel for a teenager.  Me, I'm no great beauty, I'm 28, and people still mistaken me for as young as 16.  This wasn't so surprising when I was still around 21, but I'm getting to that point where it's much more signifigant.  As for her personality, she didn't have it as bad as other companions.  I think it took a decent amout of time for her to screw her life up over an older woman, and for that relationship to go sour.  I doubt she was younger than her teens when she became a bard.

[ejoslin]

Edit: Way to not read a conversation properly.  Gah, off to grab more coffee!

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 novembre 2010 - 11:48 .

[Bruddajakka]

Zev always struck me as the oldest of the love interests for some reason. So I always felt he was a bit older then Leliana, or they were about the same age.



Alistair I always pegged as being younger then the Human Noble at the very least. Not much young but younger, and I always pegged them at about twenty two due to Eleanors whole exasperation in regards to them not being married yet

[ejoslin]

As far as the age of the warden goes, people have all sorts of beliefs. I've seen as old as 26 as and young as 15. I think they're all around 20, give or take. Youngest would probably be dwarf casteless, oldest dwarf noble or human noble (being left in charge of Highever -- acting Teyrna -- is not something you leave to a kid).



A lot of people like to think of the warden as a young, bratty kid, but I didn't get that impression at all with any of the origins. The reason I think the dwarf casteless is youngest is because of Rica -- she can't be very old, and yet she basically raised the DC.



Anyway, I think the ages of the companions is deliberately not known (aside from Alistair) as it's information that we can fill in ourselves, as we see the characters.

[soignee]

I've pegged Zevran at around 28ish, meaning he's had a few years in the trade to be jaded by it. Leliana is about the same, and I've often thought of Morrigan as in her early 20s, despite her attitude. Alistair is meant to be a wet-behind-the-ears recruit, so 20?

The Wardens ages are all different in my head, but it might be something to do with the characters I've made.

*Aeducan is 25
*Cousland 22/23
*Circle mages 21 (like they've just graduated university!)
*Mahariel is "I just got my vashadin," so 19, maybe?
*Brosca  is the youngest due to the Rica dynamic, and I pegged MIssa as 17 when you first meet her. Streets of Dust Town make you learn fast, though...

Modifié par soignee, 05 novembre 2010 - 01:38 .