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[Yankee23]

Sandtigress wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Heh I laughed too. >.>
And yeah, I don't think Morrigan would stick around. She stays with the group basically because you've got a male Warden or two around, and that's where the archdemon is (sorry Alistair). Lose him/them, and I think she'd high-tail it out of there to await another chance at what she's really out for, even if she's romancing the Warden.

OMG I read your story and I LAUGHED AND LAUGHED at the idea.  (I'm terrible I know) but it was so ironic that Loghain destroyed his country by killing the last two people left alive who could solve the problem and was keeping the Orlesian Wardens from entering Ferelden.
And still she refuses to see Ferelden fell BECAUSE of her idiot father NOT the Wardens that he killed.
And yea, I agree, Morrigan's only motive was that god baby.  She would have abandoned them all if she didn't get what she wanted, in love or otherwise.  Since that is pretty much what she does in the game if you refuse her.

It rather makes me want to punch her, but yeah, chock full of irony!  I was going on the whole "Anora refuses to marry anyone who can't live up to the ideal of her father" bit, and I just imagine that she knows that her father screwed everything up at some level, but she refuses to admit it because he's her father and so spins everything in her head so that he's the hero and not the cause.  Then she has to go and blame someone else and the Wardens are the best choice.  I figure she'd be so deluded at that point that she actually believes all the nonsense about the Wardens causing the loss at Ostagar even though in game she might have wavered on that point.

I want to punch her, too! Great job, I think you hit the nail on the head with her characterization...Daddy can do no wrong.

Edit: Damn top, give me a minute...

Modifié par Yankee23, 31 août 2010 - 03:06 .

[Costin_Razvan]

I am assuming here that Riordan either got the chop, too, or was kicked out of the country.

If Loghain really wanted Riordan dead, then he would have killed him on the spot the moment he learned Howe had captured him. So I think it is wrong to assume Loghain would just kill Riordan if he won the Landsmeet.

  I just imagine that she knows that her father screwed everything up at some level

You know....it seems unrealistic that you made it seem that the Civil War would have continued even with the Warden's death and Loghain's recognized regency at the Landsmeet ( until then it had not been recognized, hence the Civil War ), and secondly that the Archdemon would just rise up again like that.

Now from what we know in-game is that the Archdemon's soul travels to a nearby Darkspawn and transforms that Darkspawn into a new Dragon....and yet it seems unrealistic to me for it to happen instantly and for the horde to maintain its cohesion.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 31 août 2010 - 03:08 .

[tuppence95]

inclemency wrote...

I"m lucky as well, tuppence, my husband and I each have our own computers, plus the laptop floating around. My computer, of course, is better than his *grin*

I still don't know how this city elf character's story is going to end.  She's not been as much of a clear-cut character as some of my others.  She's much softer, really wanted to get married in the beginning, and leans on her party members.  She's giving me trouble and I don't know how her story ends as yet.  Maybe she has to die, but I hate doing that.

*snip*

I'm unsure of my CE's story too.  She was also eager to get married.  But after learning more about her mother, she's seeking the destiny that she feels Adaia had been meant for.  After the incident with Vaughn, she's been suspicious of all the human men around her.  She had a bad moment when she encountered a guard at Ostagar who looked a little like one she killed.  But Alistair has been making her laugh, which has done a lot for breaking down the barrier.  I'm pretty sure she'll end up with him.  

I think I'm going to take my time with her playthrough and maybe save it until I finish my blood mage and 2 dwarves.  My CE could be my last, so I want to do every quest and not rush, like I've been doing lately.

[Sandtigress]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I am assuming here that Riordan either got the chop, too, or was kicked out of the country.

If Loghain really wanted Riordan dead, then he would have killed him on the spot the moment he learned Howe had captured him. So I think it is wrong to assume Loghain would just kill Riordan if he won the Landsmeet.

Not necessarily, if he was, say, trying to get Riordan to reveal where the other Grey Wardens were, simply by virtue of being a Grey Warden himself.  When Loghain makes the decision to kill the other Wardens, I don't think it's unreasonable to say that he would then think Riordan disposable as well.

Addai - I was kind of basing this off of the scenario you presented, so in my mind Riordan was killed as well, but either scenario works.  Riordan just never got the chance to say that a Grey Warden was needed to kill the archdemon, or he wasn't believed when he did say it.

Costin_Razvan wrote...

  I just imagine that she knows that her father screwed everything up at some level

You know....it seems unrealistic that you made it seem that the Civil War would have continued even with the Warden's death and Loghain's recognized regency at the Landsmeet ( until then it had not been recognized, hence the Civil War ), and secondly that the Archdemon would just rise up again like that.

Now from what we know in-game is that the Archdemon's soul travels to a nearby Darkspawn and transforms that Darkspawn into a new Dragon....and yet it seems unrealistic to me for it to happen instantly and for the horde to maintain its cohesion.

It's not so much that the civil war continues as that it didn't end in time.  News travels slow when you have to travel on foot, after all, and word just doesn't reach in time.  Add to that the possibility of people who maybe still believe that the Wardens really are necessary and who might continue to fight to bring in at least the Orlesian Wardens after the death of the Ferelden ones.

Why is it unrealistic for it to happen instantly?  I don't think there's any evidence that the process takes time - there's certainly no mention of any slowing in the Horde during the First Blight when they killed the dragon multiple times.

[Costin_Razvan]

It's not so much that the civil war continues as that it didn't end in time. News travels slow when you have to travel on foot, after all, and word just doesn't reach in time. Add to that the possibility of people who maybe still believe that the Wardens really are necessary and who might continue to fight to bring in at least the Orlesian Wardens after the death of the Ferelden ones.

How does the Warden gather his army in time then, huh? It is quite clear the majority of it is Fereldan not Dalish/Dwarven/Werewolf/Mage/Templar.



I also very much doubt any noble would continue fighting after the Landsmeet ( where ALL of them gather )

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...
Not necessarily, if he was, say, trying to get Riordan to reveal where the other Grey Wardens were, simply by virtue of being a Grey Warden himself.  When Loghain makes the decision to kill the other Wardens, I don't think it's unreasonable to say that he would then think Riordan disposable as well.

Right, at that point Riordan's usefulness from Loghain's perspective was at an end.  He had eliminated the last Wardens in Ferelden, and the likelihood of Riordan spilling GW secrets was a dim one since he hadn't done so in months of Howe's hospitality.  I do think that Riordan got the chop.  While in another time they might have simply dumped him at the Orlesian border, there was no time, they wouldn't spare the soldiers for such a mission, and why risk letting an Orlesian agent loose in the country.  I just didn't show that in my story because I was focusing on Alistair and femCousland.

Why is it unrealistic for it to happen instantly?  I don't think there's any evidence that the process takes time - there's certainly no mention of any slowing in the Horde during the First Blight when they killed the dragon multiple times.

Yes, we simply don't know the process and so any scenario is going to be speculation, none more or less reasonable than the other.

[MelRedux]

tuppence95 wrote...

 I guess I'm incredibly lucky that we work in video editing, so we have a desktop computer, plus my husband and I have our own laptops.  I'd hate to have to fight him for computer time! 

My husband's a techie, so there are like 7 computers floating around the house.  Only one is built for gaming, and as such is the only one powerful enough to run DA and his stupid Starcraft 2 and Dawn of War

[Sandtigress]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

It's not so much that the civil war continues as that it didn't end in time. News travels slow when you have to travel on foot, after all, and word just doesn't reach in time. Add to that the possibility of people who maybe still believe that the Wardens really are necessary and who might continue to fight to bring in at least the Orlesian Wardens after the death of the Ferelden ones.

How does the Warden gather his army in time then, huh? It is quite clear the majority of it is Fereldan not Dalish/Dwarven/Werewolf/Mage/Templar.

I also very much doubt any noble would continue fighting after the Landsmeet ( where ALL of them gather )

Their representatives (and possibly armies) have been gathering at Redcliffe from the moment you recruit each of the armies.  You can see them there if you take a look around the castle.

Why does it have to be nobles?  The common man is probably far more likely to believe in the mythos of the Grey Wardens anyways, and it doesn't seem all that likely to me that everyone is going to bring their troops to Denerim for the Landsmeet.  Loghain for certain, and Howe and Eamon, but I don't think many of the rest were looking for a fight right then and there.

[SurelyForth]

Um, it's page 100! Let use celebrate with some old school RDT/NBA!

Modifié par SurelyForth, 31 août 2010 - 03:43 .

[Addai]

Yay! Kickin it old-school. Though page 100 seems like such a meager milestone compared to past glories...

[tuppence95]

 

[cmessaz]

Oh it's my favorite NBA shot

[Addai]

Need more RDTs!

[Lanfaer01]

I don't have any new RDT pics... How about a walk along Lake Calenhad?

[cmessaz]

I love the docks

[inclemency]

I started collecting RDTs on this playthrough, hard to get Alistair in them, though...I'll just have to try harder



This is the first time I've respec'd him into a dual-wielder, he's having a blast, and so am I. Now I have to remember to take Sten into the Lothering Chantry after I get him. Haven't ever done that before and I've heard there's a little bit of outrage and some comments.

[Arundor]

Congratulations on the landmark!

Some page-100 Alistair...

King Aragornstair:


Alistair tent-time:

[Morwen Eledhwen]

inclemency wrote...

I started collecting RDTs on this playthrough, hard to get Alistair in them, though...I'll just have to try harder

This is the first time I've respec'd him into a dual-wielder, he's having a blast, and so am I. Now I have to remember to take Sten into the Lothering Chantry after I get him. Haven't ever done that before and I've heard there's a little bit of outrage and some comments.

I'm pretty sure I did that (I know I thought about it) and I didn't get any comments. Although I wasn't really talking to anyone in the Chantry at that point because I had had to threaten the Reverend Mother in order to get the key off her. I was only in there because I was looking for the Blackstone Irregulars conscript (never found him, btw, and now it's too late).

My Alistair has had a number of neat decapitations in this playthrough --no screenshots, of course, but I've been enjoying them. My CEF has had a couple as well. She's got Asturian's Might equipped which has been good for some RDT moments.

[Addai]

Whoo!  I like Aragornistair. 

[cmessaz]

Aragonstair!!!!!!!  :O:O:O:O<3<3<3


And those eyes.....SWOON

Modifié par cmessaz, 31 août 2010 - 07:38 .

[Morwen Eledhwen]

tuppence95 wrote...

inclemency wrote...

I"m lucky as well, tuppence, my husband and I each have our own computers, plus the laptop floating around. My computer, of course, is better than his *grin*

I still don't know how this city elf character's story is going to end.  She's not been as much of a clear-cut character as some of my others.  She's much softer, really wanted to get married in the beginning, and leans on her party members.  She's giving me trouble and I don't know how her story ends as yet.  Maybe she has to die, but I hate doing that.

*snip*

I'm unsure of my CE's story too.  She was also eager to get married.  But after learning more about her mother, she's seeking the destiny that she feels Adaia had been meant for.  After the incident with Vaughn, she's been suspicious of all the human men around her.  She had a bad moment when she encountered a guard at Ostagar who looked a little like one she killed.  But Alistair has been making her laugh, which has done a lot for breaking down the barrier.  I'm pretty sure she'll end up with him.  

I think I'm going to take my time with her playthrough and maybe save it until I finish my blood mage and 2 dwarves.  My CE could be my last, so I want to do every quest and not rush, like I've been doing lately.

My CE wasn't interested in getting married at all but was prepared to do so --always looking for a last-minute escape, though not of course of the type that actually occurred-- for her family's and community's sake. She didn't think much of her fiance and was only as upset about what happened to him as she would have been had it happened to any Elf at the hands of a human. So she had no problem with missing her wedding, but it was the reason why it was ruined that really shocked her and threw her character into a pretty prickly spot for much of her story so far. She came to Ostagar feeling grateful to Duncan for rescuing her but mindful of the fact that he was doing so for his own ends and not out of any concern for her. She was still pretty raw from her experience, on-edge and bloody-minded, and not pleased to find herself paired with a Warden who reminded her physically of the man she had just decapitated for raping her cousin. Consequently she (1) let off steam by killing things with relish, taking delight in stealth and traps, (2) has been guarded and stiff around humans (she doesn't like them knows better than to openly sass them unless she thinks she can get away with it), (3) steals shamelessly from just about every human she meets who looks like they might have something, or who acts offensively towards her, (4) formed quick bonds of comradeship with Sten, Shale and Zevran, and (5) took a long time to be more than civil to Alistair. He has of course gradually won her over by (1) being his goofy self, (2) not treating her differently because she's an elf, (3) asking her questions about her home and community life as though he were jealous of her family bonds rather than contemptuous of her poverty, (4) not considering his race and noble status to be his best assets (and actually trying to ignore or deny them), (5) being a virgin and aspiring to be a gentleman, and (6) not turning things remotely romantic until my CE cautiously gave the signal that it was ok for him to do so. I'm still not sure if she's quite ready to go to his tent yet --although I've been toying with the idea of her asking him instead of waiting for him to ask her, as RP-wise it makes sense in a way; puts her in control of what they do together instead of giving it to him. I have to make the decision soon, though, because he's only about +5 or +6 approval away from ambushing her in camp. I guess I could give him an onion or something to make him cool his jets for a bit, but that seems too contrived (hypocritical, I know --like handing him amulets and wine and stuff isn't manipulative?).

Anyway. It's been an interesting origin to play and I still don't "know" her yet the way I "knew" my DC at a similar point in her playthrough. So in some ways it doesn't feel as "right" as my DC did, but on the other hand I am having more fun.

[tuppence95]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

inclemency wrote...

*snip*

*snip*

My CE wasn't interested in getting married at all but was prepared to do so --always looking for a last-minute escape, though not of course of the type that actually occurred-- for her family's and community's sake. She didn't think much of her fiance and was only as upset about what happened to him as she would have been had it happened to any Elf at the hands of a human. So she had no problem with missing her wedding, but it was the reason why it was ruined that really shocked her and threw her character into a pretty prickly spot for much of her story so far. She came to Ostagar feeling grateful to Duncan for rescuing her but mindful of the fact that he was doing so for his own ends and not out of any concern for her. She was still pretty raw from her experience, on-edge and bloody-minded, and not pleased to find herself paired with a Warden who reminded her physically of the man she had just decapitated for raping her cousin. Consequently she (1) let off steam by killing things with relish, taking delight in stealth and traps, (2) has been guarded and stiff around humans (she doesn't like them knows better than to openly sass them unless she thinks she can get away with it), (3) steals shamelessly from just about every human she meets who looks like they might have something, or who acts offensively towards her, (4) formed quick bonds of comradeship with Sten, Shale and Zevran, and (5) took a long time to be more than civil to Alistair. He has of course gradually won her over by (1) being his goofy self, (2) not treating her differently because she's an elf, (3) asking her questions about her home and community life as though he were jealous of her family bonds rather than contemptuous of her poverty, (4) not considering his race and noble status to be his best assets (and actually trying to ignore or deny them), (5) being a virgin and aspiring to be a gentleman, and (6) not turning things remotely romantic until my CE cautiously gave the signal that it was ok for him to do so. I'm still not sure if she's quite ready to go to his tent yet --although I've been toying with the idea of her asking him instead of waiting for him to ask her, as RP-wise it makes sense in a way; puts her in control of what they do together instead of giving it to him. I have to make the decision soon, though, because he's only about +5 or +6 approval away from ambushing her in camp. I guess I could give him an onion or something to make him cool his jets for a bit, but that seems too contrived (hypocritical, I know --like handing him amulets and wine and stuff isn't manipulative?).

Anyway. It's been an interesting origin to play and I still don't "know" her yet the way I "knew" my DC at a similar point in her playthrough. So in some ways it doesn't feel as "right" as my DC did, but on the other hand I am having more fun.

Morwen, when I first created my CE, my initial thought was to play her very much like you described.  But I had just finished playing my DE in a similiar way.  She held on to her distrust of humans throughout the game.  Even though she finally became friendly with Alistair, she wouldn't consider a romantic involvement with him.  So I decided that this CE would be traumatized from her experience with Vaughn, but she's not the type to carry that feeling over to every human she meets.  My CE Willow is more of an optimist who rolls with the punches.  

Modifié par tuppence95, 31 août 2010 - 07:54 .

[tuppence95]

 There's another topic (in the DA2 section) that's slightly along the lines of what DahliaLynn was asking in her poll -- What do women like about DA 1 and 2?  I had to backspace over a reply because I get so tired of those "Alistair = whiny loser" posts.

http://social.biowar...index/4628435/7

[cmessaz]

tuppence95 wrote...

 There's another topic (in the DA2 section) that's slightly along the lines of what DahliaLynn was asking in her poll -- What do women like about DA 1 and 2?  I had to backspace over a reply because I get so tired of those "Alistair = whiny loser" posts.

http://social.biowar...index/4628435/7

Yeah, I'll avoid. That Alistair whiney crap makes me mad.

Modifié par cmessaz, 31 août 2010 - 08:16 .

[Sarah1281]

(3) asking her questions about her home and community life as though he were jealous of her family bonds rather than contemptuous of her poverty

What conversation does he do this in?