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[Tigress M]

Collider wrote...
Anyway, I have another question for you. Why do you think Alistair makes a good king? Or if you don't, why does he make less than a good king?

I think he makes a much better king if he's hardened, but even unhardened, he brings a fresh view to higher echelons of society because he knows what it's like to be a commoner and can bring that life experience to the table that no other noble (except Loghain) can do.  But, unlike Loghain, I think he'd use that knowledge to try and make Fereldan a better place for the common man.  

I also think he's wise enough to know, and more importantly admit, when he's in over his head (say with foreign politics, for example) and would have no hesitation seeking help to deal with those things that he is clueless about.  So, he's a people's king, willing and able to surround himself with (and listen to) Advisors to help him through the rough spots.  

The epilogue may disagree, but I firmly believe he makes a better ruler than Anora.  

Ack!  Edit for ToP:

Modifié par Tigress M, 07 janvier 2011 - 12:31 .

[Maria13]

tgail73 wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

Collider wrote...


Anyway, I have another question for you. Why do you think Alistair makes a good king? Or if you don't, why does he make less than a good king?

He has a good head when he chooses to engage it, an innate sense of justice, he hasn't been rich and comfortable for most of his life, he knows what it's like to go through hard times, he's brave, he's loyal and, above all, he tries!

Long live King Alistair!

Well said Maria...but you forgot to add that he's amazingly sexy.

Yeah, well, goes without saying...

[inclemency]

Glad you liked it, Maria

[Yankee23]

@ Tigress and Maria...I agree completely! And put me down as another one who disregards the epilogue and thinks he will do better than Anora.

[nos_astra]

Alistair being a good king doesn't seem that realistic too me. Hardened or not, he would be very much depending on his chancellor or wife. To catch up with the knowledge that is necessary to make decisions should take years.

I think he can grow into the job, if hardened and willing to learn, but having a good heart is just not enough. He will be all right if he has someone around who can offer advise.

Modifié par klarabella, 07 janvier 2011 - 03:26 .

[Tigress M]

Why do you think dependency on the expertise of others is a bad thing, klarabella? I see this a strength and not a weakness since he has the means to gather highly intelligent, knowledgeable people around him to help him rule. His winning personality will attract the help he needs, and he's not so clueless as to blindly follow what anyone says -- look at how many times he'll argue with the Warden if they want to do something he thinks is morally objectionable.

And more importantly, he'll listen to the advice given him, unlike Cailan who thought he knew best (and look how that turned out).

[CeboCabo]

I think it would depend on the type of guidance he would have in the form of his chancellor/wife/mistress. He has that unrealized potential that was supressed from his developmental years. In the epilogue we already see him building that confidence by his willingness to learn and even surprising Anora (that is if he's hardened). He just needs the right person to nurture that confidence.

Given that, along with his experience as a commoner, I think he would offer something different, and under his rule, Ferelden could experience a lot of changes.  Revolutionize even.

Modifié par CeboCabo, 07 janvier 2011 - 03:54 .

[nos_astra]

Tigress M wrote...
Why do you think dependency on the expertise of others is a bad thing, klarabella?

I don't think it's a bad thing in itself. It's just that Alistair is probably a weak king, even hardened, easily influenced by others. It's only natural. He may grow stronger over time, if he has the time. He does have some potential.

Modifié par klarabella, 07 janvier 2011 - 04:02 .

[Glorfindel709]

I think that if he has a good circle of advisors to help in areas that he is unfamiliar with (foreign policy, trade, etc) he would make a fantastic king. The good heart that some say isnt enough is exactly the tempering thing that will help develop and rebuild Ferelden post-Blight. The common people are the ones that will be most hurt in a post-Blight economy when the Blight has tainted their lands, killed their livestock, and killed a large percentage of the population and more often than not the Nobles are not going to have a vested interest in making sure the commoners needs are looked after. A peoples' king is necessary in that regard. Not only that, but he'll have a decent idea of what the poorer side of ferelden needs, because he lived it. If he takes the time to learn about governance, I see no reason why that, in time, he could not become a strong but just King.

[Giggles_Manically]

He really needs Teagan to advise him it seems.



He seems to be one of the few people with his head on straight.

[Reika]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

He really needs Teagan to advise him it seems.

He seems to be one of the few people with his head on straight.

My thoughts exactly.

[Giggles_Manically]

I have a huge amount of respect for Teagan like I do for most people who question their government.

Anora: Bann Teagan, my father is doing what he thinks is best.

Teagan: Did he also do what was best for your husband your majesty? <walks off>



At least Teagan will stand up for his views, but does not act stupid like most of the Bannorn.

[Reika]

I also liked the fact that Teagan wasn't afraid to show up at that audience armed and armored, the rest of them were in their poncy clothes wringing their hands.



Now if there'd been a way to convince Teagan to stand in for his brother instead of doing that idiotic sacred ashes quest...

[Giggles_Manically]

I liked it though what with the guardian asking you and your friends questions, and running into a spirit of a person from your Origin.



Running into Trian was really powerful:

Well look at you, your here... and I am well... hmmph..



Then him forgiving my DN and telling him to move on was really a great moment.

[RagingCyclone]

Speaking of Teagan, why was he not at thee Landsmeet? He is a Bann after all like Alfstanna. But he was absent during that time.

[Glorfindel709]

If I had the option, I would let Eamon die and convince Teagan to take up the Arling every time. He's the one who organizes the entire civil war against Loghain in the first place, so he's not without his allies in the Bannorn and if proof is brought forward about the poisoning of Arl Eamon he could possibly gain the very same allies and maybe even additional sympathies of Banns and Arls, provided of course that he's willing to honor deals Eamon made.

Ive been considering taking that route in my FF but *shrugs*

Agreed, the spirit during the Gauntlet was one of the most powerful moments in the game for me.

Modifié par Glorfindel709, 07 janvier 2011 - 04:45 .

[inclemency]

Yeah, Teagan was missing yet the, in all of my games, dead Vaughn is there

[Giggles_Manically]

That was an original plot idea Glor.

Convince Teagan to take over early on, and have the landsmeet at any stage.



Got cut though.

[tuppence95]

I can't remember if I read it in the codex or somewhere else, but I think Teagan chooses to remain non-political.  That's probably why he wasn't at the Landsmeet.


Pics from the Karmas Companions mod.

[Skyl4rk]

Glorfindel709 wrote...

If I had the option, I would let Eamon die and convince Teagan to take up the Arling every time. He's the one who organizes the entire civil war against Loghain in the first place, so he's not without his allies in the Bannorn and if proof is brought forward about the poisoning of Arl Eamon he could possibly gain the very same allies and maybe even additional sympathies of Banns and Arls, provided of course that he's willing to honor deals Eamon made.

Ive been considering taking that route in my FF but *shrugs*

Agreed, the spirit during the Gauntlet was one of the most powerful moments in the game for me.

This^^  It just makes perfect sense considering your Warden is already too busy gathering an army for the Blight.   And going on a quest to search for a relic that's only rumoured to be true is a complete waste of time.  Not that I'm bashing that particular quest - you wouldn't have gone through that emotionally engaging scene at the Gauntlet (Bryce...).  But, it would've been nice to have that option to have Teagan take Eamon's place.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Tigress M wrote...

Why do you think dependency on the expertise of others is a bad thing, klarabella? I see this a strength and not a weakness

There is a keen difference between listening to advice, which is imo the mark of any good leader, and depending on it (in other words being mostly useless without it). That dependency can be used against him and time and time  again we have seen chancellors and viziers taking power for themselves because the rulers relied on them too much (making them in effect the real decision makers).

The king and the king alone is the decision maker. Listening to advice does not take away that power from him. Depending on advice does however.

I think Alistair, despite his "good heart" and all those other things that somehow are supposed to make one efficient at being a king (makes me chuckle), will be at the very best, a decent king (bordering on mediocre) that history will barely take notice of.

As for Teagan. I have very little respect for him and to me, he is like every other bann out there. Thinks he is important, when in reality he is just an overglorified landowner, who thinks the best time to complain about following orders is when the darkspawn are on his doorsteps. I'd rather trust Eamon.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 07 janvier 2011 - 05:16 .

[Reika]

Oh, Marlana being confronted by her father's spirit in the gauntlet was a powerful moment for her.



As a player though, I would've liked more options.

[Giggles_Manically]

I agree with KoP mostly.



Listening to advice is never a weakness, but relying on it is not a good thing.

[tuppence95]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
As for Teagan. I have very little respect for him and to me, he is like every other bann out there. Thinks he is important, when in reality he is just an overglorified landowner, who thinks the best time to complain about following orders is when the darkspawn are on his doorsteps. I'd rather trust Eamon. 

Since the orders were being barked by a man who had lost control of rational thought, that was probably a pretty good time to complain.  

I know  ... I know, I'm becoming a big fan of Loghain's.  But there's no getting around the fact that he was a paranoid, delusional madman at that point.  I prefer Loghain after he came to his senses, which in my game usually only lasted minutes.

edited for typo 

Modifié par tuppence95, 07 janvier 2011 - 05:20 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I agree with KoP mostly.

Listening to advice is never a weakness, but relying on it is not a good thing.

Add the fact that even hardened Alistair ends up defering most of the time to the PC if chancellor, as per the epilogue.

That's more than listening to advice or even relying on it. That's outright deferring completely.

Eh, time is not on Ferelden's side and I'd rather not wait for decades for the monarch to finally become good at his job (assuming that nothing happens in those decades that necessitates a good ruler). I'd rather pick one that already knows what they are doing.