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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

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sevalaricgirl wrote...

It seems to me that Eamon wants power.  I mean let's look at it.  Eamon passed Alistair off to the chantry because he married a b*tch which means that Alistair's Theirin blood didn't mean much to Eamon when there was a Theirin on the throne nor did Alistair mean much to him.  Really Duncan saved Alistair from a life of misery and gave him something of value (being a GW).  I do wish there was a line in there saying, no, Alistair doesn't want to be the king and we'll find another way to bring Fereldon together.  I always back stab Eamon because Alistair's happiness is more important that Eamon's quest for power.  Of course, Loghain thinks that the puppeteer is the GW but my warden only wants what's best for Alistair.  She doesn't care what happens to the power source in Fereldon because she's not planning to stay in one place and she loves Alistair and wants him with her.  I do wish that Loghain could see that, but of course he has to die for his crimes and that's done before the decision is made. 



In general, that's how I see it, regarding Eamon and Alistair. His personal happieness being a far more worthwhile motivation than other's schemes. Eamon is after power, though I also believe that he geuiniely is a traditionalist and believes blood is more important than anything. He represents the old, and failing system of nobility.

Anora might not be very scrupulous, nor is she in touch with the day to day realities of the common folk, but she is competant and intelligent enough that i do not feel like I'm damning the country. Unlike the dwarves, where you really do have a choice between prosperity or ruin in the leaders you choose. About the only thing that is worse when Anora takes charge is the city elves, but as far as I'm concerned, their lot will not change until they themselves decide enough is enough and actively work towards bettering their lot. If they are smart, they will learn that the humans will not do it for them. They must take charge of their own destiny and well being, and do so in a constructive way.

But other than that, Anora does fine enough. And she does further emphasize that fitness to rule is not depended on "magical" bloodlines or other rubbish, but on personal strengths and merits. It does help promote the changes I think necessary. mainly, that nobility by birth/blood is an outdated, and potentially dangerous system to hold on to.

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LadyDamodred wrote...

Then you should gimme pics, damnit!


Could you direct me or repost the item about the Cousland contest? Sorry if I'm out of it - spent the night in the ER with a feverish dad and an overwrought mom and I'm running on fumes here. Image IPB

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MageTarot wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Then you should gimme pics, damnit!


Could you direct me or repost the item about the Cousland contest? Sorry if I'm out of it - spent the night in the ER with a feverish dad and an overwrought mom and I'm running on fumes here. Image IPB


Here's the thread, Mage. I hope your dad is okay.

http://social.biowar...scussion/12379/

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Prompt: It's Good to be King.

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Yankee23 wrote...

MageTarot wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Then you should gimme pics, damnit!


Could you direct me or repost the item about the Cousland contest? Sorry if I'm out of it - spent the night in the ER with a feverish dad and an overwrought mom and I'm running on fumes here. Image IPB


Here's the thread, Mage. I hope your dad is okay.

http://social.biowar...scussion/12379/


Thank you, Yankee.

Hope your family is okay, Mage. 

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Mage, I know what it's like to spend the night in ER with a family member. *hugs* I hope he's okay!

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Prompt "It's good to be the King"



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Mage: Hope your dad is doing better.

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@Reika: It certainly is when he gets to marry the woman he loves in a lavish ceremony! Image IPB

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Yea, Mage - Hope he's better.

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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

After all, bloodlines are not, nor should they be, the prime factor of leadership deterimination.

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Which is why I usually keep Alistair as a GW.  He doesn't want to be the king and Eamon shouldn't be trying to put him on the throne because of his blood ties with Marric.  Anora is a much better leader and Alistair is a much better GW.  This playthrough (13th), I'll harden him and make him the king so I can get my noble wedding and have an Alistair as king save for DA2.  I have one already with Alistair as a GW.  I never kill him.  I watched a youtube vid of him being told by Anora that he needs to be executed and it killed me.  I can't and will never let him do the US and I will never let him be executed or a wandering drunk.  I really don't get the appeal of those endings.



I do a mix of possible solutions to Landsmeet, but in my favorite playthroughs, Alistair is not king. I certainly do not like having him executed or forced into marrying Anora, though I've done it. And of course, I am at full disagreement with Eamon that Therin blood is important and somehow special. To backwards thinking conservatives, yes. And it served as a needed rally point during the rebellion against Orlais. But beyond that, no. And even hardened, it is not really what would make Alistair happiest. His suitability as a king is a matter of opinion. I think he makes a reasonably competant king, in terms he is able to hold Ferelden together and keep  most everyone happy during his reign. But in terms of making major changes to the system needed to get Ferelden out of its self-destructive habits, I do not think he does, since it would require alot of underhanded backroom scheming, since politics is a pretty dirty business. Even hardened, I think he lacks the moral apathy and ruthless cunning to play the game well, especially considering the Bannorn is a potential nest of vipers, who have historically shown themselves as much bane as boon.

This. This THIS. Oh Skadi your post is so much full of win. I couldn't agree more. :wub: Not to mention that it saves me from writing an essay about the reasons when you have already done that in such an eloquently way. :P

I like the new prompt, Sarah...I just have to rethink how to make that work...or better said what to write. ^_^

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*is narrowing down who to do the prompt with* This might take me a few days, as I'm trying to get some other stuff done.

Alistair only ends up king with my Cousland and Tabris, and the Cousland is definitely the best of those. Not every ending can be perfect, so I'm all right with him not being a super awesome kign with Tabris.

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 08 janvier 2011 - 05:55 .


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"It's Good to be King." 


There were times when Alistair thought back to the past, his past more specifically. It was only natural, of course, but he had triggers. Every time he heard anything about Redcliffe or about the Guerrin family he remembered his childhood at Redcliffe as the embarrassing and unwanted suspected bastard of the Arl. He wasn’t, of course, but he was a regular royal bastard (and he had to credit a certain fellow Warden of his for coming up with that one as no one else in the know had been casual enough about it to make jokes) and his very existence was apparently a dire threat to Ferelden stability and, more to the point, his half-brother’s rule.
 
Every time he was in any way reminded of the Chantry (and as Ferelden was the rather religious birthplace of Andraste whose ashes had recently been discovered, this was rather often), it brought back the decade or so that he had been destined to become a slave to it. There were worse fates than that of a templar, he knew, but that didn’t make being a lyrium-addled templar a good thing and he wouldn’t want any of those lives that would have made being a templar seem that way by comparison. The Chantry was a good life for some, he supposed, but not for him and his lack of choice about the whole affair just made him resent it all the more. He had never had any problems with the Chantry before being sent to live there, after all…but then he hadn’t known very much about it before then, either.
 
Every time Grey Wardens were mentioned he remembered those six glorious months that he had spent among their ranks before they were betrayed by that traitor, Loghain. He remembered their kindness, the first unselfish kindness he’d seen in years. He remembered for once not being the embarrassment, not being the screw-up. He was just one of them and even if he was the youngest and least experienced, he still had a place that he had belonged. He still had a family of sorts, people that he trusted with his life and who trusted his life to them. All the drinking, all the secrets, all the feasts, all the frustrations, all the celebrations, all the fears…the good and bad mingled together and became the first every home he’d ever known.
 
Every time anyone mentioned the Blight – which was at weekly if not daily – then he was taken back to the longest, hardest, most rewarding year of his life. The year they were on the run. The year everything had fallen to pieces. The year that he had to step up. The year that he was only one of two people standing between Ferelden and total annihilation. The year that he had had to stop hiding. The year that he stopped being an unwanted bastard, a failure of a templar, a desperate and unprepared Grey Warden and became a king.
 
It seemed that almost overnight he went from sleeping on the cold, hard ground to having people asking him about thread-counts on his almost painfully soft bed. No longer did he have to attempt to not accidentally poison himself while cooking as there were people hired to do that for him (well, cook at least. These people were not without skill). No longer was he ‘boy’ or ‘bastard’ but ‘your majesty.’ He wasn’t pushed to the side but looked to to take center stage. What he thought mattered and he was called upon to actually decide things. A thoughtless word from him could make or ruin someone’s immediate future. He could have a bath whenever he wanted. The first sign of damage to any of his clothing or armor and someone would promptly replace them with something new. He never had to have to choose between helping someone in need or having a place to stay for the night.
 
Being king…he never would have seen that coming, King Maric’s by blow or not. It really shouldn’t have ever happened but since, between Loghain and the darkspawn (and okay, fine, the Bannorn didn’t exactly help matters), Ferelden was brought to the very brink of total destruction, somebody had to step up. Somehow, everybody had decided that that somebody would be him. He wasn’t raised for it and he wasn’t particularly keen on the idea – he rather found it terrifying – but he was also determined to do nothing less than his absolute best and to listen to those who actually knew what they were talking about, especially in those early days when he didn’t.
 
Somehow, as the days became weeks, the weeks became months, and the months became years, Alistair had slowly began to enjoy his new position in life. The elves were being oppressed again? Invite one to join his council. The people were feeling disconnected from the monarchy? Go out and visit them. Orzammar was working to push back the darkspawn from the Deep Roads? Send some troops to help out. Kinloch Hold too damaged to house the Circle of Magi anymore? Build a new, far less creepy one.
 
There were always sacrifices to be made, of course, and he’d lost a lot in terms of privacy and freedom when he’d shed his anonymity forever and accepted his father’s throne. Still, he always knew where his next delicious meal would come from, he never needed to worry about not having shelter, he could try to make life better for everyone. Not to mention all the little perks his losses were compensated with. When you thought about it, it really wasn’t bad for the son of a castle maid (or was it an Orlesian Grey Warden elven mage? He had heard rumors). And it was certainly good to be king.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 08 janvier 2011 - 06:30 .


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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

You said you abhor waste, right?  I disagree that they are harmless to no one but themselves.  Just ask Fiona.



Or any other commoner, elf, human, or dwarf, since basically, the nobility of Orlais has free reign to do what they like to the commoners.


I thought that was the Chevaliers, not the Orlesian nobility.

Regardless, my point was that since they don't command armies, their petty squabbles are meaningless and even useful. They don't paralyse the system by fighting, the entire system is based on them fighting each other while the Emperor plays umpire.

I never suggested that I liked the Orlesian system and I would rather live in Ferelden. What I do like about it is that its nobles are not a liability as much as the bannorn. Just a nuissance. Ideally I reject all forms of aristocracy based on blood, it's fundamentally irrational (in some instances however, it's useful, depends on context).

And I never espoused an extremily centralised system. I personally dislike the French model that is highly centralised around Paris (something they are trying to fix). I am talking about more along the lines of the Prussian model. I dislike a cradle to coffin wellfare system where the state has to take care of everything and as you already know, I am highly supportive of independent merchants and merchant guilds operating with free rein (within reasonable limits). However, I strongly believe that no country can advance without a bureaucracy and a centralized authority, which does not need to control everything for it to be effective. 

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KnightofPhoenix

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As for the prompt. I would submit Gilsa's drawing of Dain and Alistair, but I didn't make it

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 08 janvier 2011 - 06:01 .


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@Sarah - Very nice. :)

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That was a nice prompt fill, Sarah. A glimps into his life as king.

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Very nice, Sarah. Really seems to sum up how he would look on that transition.

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That was excellent, Sarah. This is exactly how I see him looking at it.

"Build a new, far less creepy one." Lol!

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Speaking of Gilsa, where's she been lately?

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Ok, not my best, but here goes:



It's Good to Be King



Alistair sat with his new bride at the head table during their wedding reception. Every noble in Ferelden with the exception of one was present in the room. Dan's absence did not go unnoticed by his newly wedded cousin, and since he stood by Alistair's side during the ceremony she wondered where he had wondered off to. The added absence of Leliana began to weigh on her mind. Could the couple actually have skipped out after the wedding ceremony? Or were they off somewhere in the castle have their own little tryst? These thoughts kept wondering through her mind as one noble after another came forward to congratulate Alistair and his new bride. Finally she spotted Leliana coming from one of the side rooms. With a look of slight embarrassment showing on her face, she approached the table nearest the front and facing the royal couple. Leliana gave a slight smile and courtsey to her cousin-in-law, and then proceed to sit down. Alistair gave Leliana a slight wave and nod with his boyish grin which Leliana returned in kind. The former Cousland looked around for Dan, but he was still not present in the room, and Leliana still had a slight look of nervousness to her. Alistair's nonchalant attitude to his new cousin-in-law's missing in action status was more than Maggie could manage.

"Alistair, where is my cousin?"

He leaned towards her and kept facing the crowd, "She's sitting right there."

"I mean Dan, Alistair. Do you know where he is? And why Leliana was late?"

"Oh, that? You'll seeee."

Maggie noticed Alistair's boyish grin turned slightly upward. She knew this look well. He only smiled like this when he was about to engorge himself on cheese, or when they would have their private interludes in the bedroom. And since neither was going to happen at that moment, Maggie sensed something else was afoot. She looked back and Leliana, and noticed she kept glancing back towards the room she had come from earlier. She still carried a slight nervous look to her, but only those close to her would recognize it.

Finally it was Leliana's turn to approach the new couple, and as she approached Alistair, her look of nervousness changed to slight anger. Maggie knew something was about to happen, but had no idea what until Leliana spoke.

"Alistair," she spoke. "Are you really going to make him do this? Here?"

He returned Leliana's look. "A deal is a deal, and a promise a promise. He said he would if I ever got married to a Cousland. And I am holding him to that."

"But in front of the whole nobility? You do realize what this will do."

"Make everyone laugh? After all...you started this a long time ago."

"Me?"

"Yes, with that dress back during the blight. Didn't you recognize it?"

As Alistair and Leliana continued their hushed conversation, Maggie caught Dan out of the corner of her eye. He was standing in the doorway of the room Leliana had come from earlier wearing a hideous dress that she had heard stories about. She never really believed them before now, but a feeling of anger began to swell in her chest. She looked at the two bickering beside her and interjected.

"Excuse me, but why is Dan over there wearing a dress?"

Both Leliana and Alistair looked in Dan's direction. Leliana's face reddened as Alistair let out a slight chuckle.

"Oh, he's just getting ready to give a performance," replied Alistair as Leliana glared at him.

"He's what?"

"Your husband is going to make my husband dance the Remigold right here in front of everyone."

Maggie looked Alistair square in the eyes causing his chuckle to subside. "If he dances the Remigold like that, then you are joining him."

"What? But I'm the king. And he owes me."

Maggie inched closer to Alistair still looking into his eyes. "It may be good to be the king, but it's better to be the queen. He dances...so do you. Or you can forget about anything happening in our bedchamber tonight."

A lump formed in Alistair's throat as he weighed the options in his mind. "Fine," came his reply. He stood up and began moving towards the room Dan was standing in to let him know the dance was not going to happen that day. He glanced back at the two women behind him and heard their giggling. She was right, and at least he made Dan sweat a little.


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*wipes tears from eyes* Okay, that was really funny, Rage.

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@Rage: That was great! And even if Dan didn't have to dance, people did see him like that.

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@Sarah - Very nice story. :)

@Rage - That was too funny. You had me giggling like a crazy person. :)

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Reika - Very nice picture. Such a sweet couple!

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Reika, Sarah, tgail, thanks.



Sarah, lovely story.



Reika, I am jealous of the king.

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Mage, sorry to hear about your dad. I hope he gets better soon :(

Sarah, an excellent prompt. And your fill was an excellent summary on that privilege life. I always thought, given time, that he would fill in nicely in that role.

Rage, I can't stop laughing! Alistair, what a good sport he is. But then again, Maggie pulled that card. :P

Reika, I'm with Rage, I'm jealous of Alistair!

Edit:  Schratty, tgain, tupp & Rage, forgot to thank you guys for the nice comments on my drawing earlier Image IPB  I'm glad you all liked it!

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