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[errant_knight]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

I was also surprised when my friend, who was playing as a Mage, went into the Fade after Connor's Desire Demon and emerged with Blood Magic knowledge, and Alistair had nothing to say about it --either about his being a blood mage or about how this knowledge was acquired.

Alistair never said anything when my mage returned from the fade with blood magic knowledge.  But then, I'm not sure how he would know unless he saw my mage casting a spell.  Wynne however knew soon as my mage used it.  In that playthrough, I did the circle quests after Redcliffe.  She confronted him about the spells he was using that she didn't recognize, and she did it right in front of Greagoir.  Surprisingly, Irving covered for her by saying the wardens had records of magic that the Circle didn't have access to.

I guess that makes sense, as long as Alistair never saw you using blood magic.

Well, yes, but I would assume that this would happen sooner or later, or else either you never take Alistair with you or you don't use blood magic very much. I was waiting for the first time my friend and his Blood Mage to use blood magic in front of Alistair, and the screeching and geschrei-ing that would ensue, and it never did. I was quite disappointed. <_<

There's where it stops making sense.
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Modifié par errant_knight, 01 septembre 2010 - 10:46 .

[Addai]

phaonica wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

Yes, I just hadn't expected a kiss option from Loghain.  My Cousland male had almost no approval from him.  Sure, he spared him and was keeping his daughter on the throne and was marrying her.  But he didn't expect that!  

LOL Was that a bug?  Or does the kiss always trigger with high approval for Loghain, since there's not an In Love flag for him I imagine?

I seriously don't see Loghain doing that, no matter who the Warden is.  He does not strike me as a PDA kinda guy.

And, ewww. 

I don't think it's a bug. I think it's an option regardless of flags or approval or anything, just for RP purposes.

Ah, I see.  The other gate kisses trigger on their own, I take it this is a dialogue option you have to choose specifically.

"Kiss Loghain."  That makes me giggle, especially for certain Wardens.  I'm picturing some burly warrior type saying, "I love you, man.  No, I LOVE YOU."  Too funny.

Modifié par Addai67, 01 septembre 2010 - 08:43 .

[cmessaz]

Not enough Alistair in here. I will help.

[Addai]

errant_knight wrote...
Heh, I never spare the blood mage in the tower, either. Jowan is the only one that I really believe wants to make up for what he did, so he gets to go to the fade to save Conner. He also doesn't shy away from taking responsibility. Even when I suggested that he leave, he reufused, preferring to make things right. He's a screw up, but not a bad person, and he doesn't lack for courage. The Maleficar seems almost certain to use blood magic to escape, even after she's seen what happened in the tower and makes excuses too easily for me.

I guess I tend to play more pragmatically than law-n-order Wardens, and my Andrastians tend to be soft touches.  As far as Alistair goes, he certainly doesn't advocate killing blood mages outright, even if he doesn't like blood magic.  With the blood mage in the Tower, he actually (jokingly) tries to tell her to give up on her plan to go to the Chantry for repentance.  He'll argue with Sten about killing Jowan, saying "we can't just kill him."  So I think the fact that he goes frowny on Avernus but doesn't demand his head is perfectly IC.  He's got a pragmatic person in him who can come out to a certain extent, for noble purposes.

[Zjarcal]

errant_knight wrote...

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

I was also surprised when my friend, who was playing as a Mage, went into the Fade after Connor's Desire Demon and emerged with Blood Magic knowledge, and Alistair had nothing to say about it --either about his being a blood mage or about how this knowledge was acquired.

Good point--that's another one that makes no sense. It should at least have blunted his approval for saving Conner, and I have difficulty believing that Alistair would have nothing to say about your trafficking with demons in the fade and choosing to become a blood mage.

I'd like to point out that I RP'd that my mage learned blood magic from Avernus, not the demon. I had unlocked the specialization in Awakening, so there it was waiting to be used.

With all the blood mages present in the game, it doesn't make sense that you can only learn it from the demon. She may also have stolen a book or two from the Circle...

And as Addai pointed out, I don't view blood magic by itself as evil. Sure, it originated from demons but just like with any other power, it's the way you use it that determines whether your intentions are good or not.

Unless you believe that blood magic will corrupt you like the taint...

[Sarah1281]

The Maleficar seems almost certain to use blood magic to escape, even after she's seen what happened in the tower and makes excuses too easily for me.

Well, yeah, she probably will because how else will she get out? Still, using blood magic in that particular circumstance doesn't seem like it's a huge deal as she'd use her own blood to just escape which doesn't hurt anybody else. Of course, who knows what she'll do once out of there?

[tuppence95]

Addai67 wrote...

phaonica wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

Yes, I just hadn't expected a kiss option from Loghain.  My Cousland male had almost no approval from him.  Sure, he spared him and was keeping his daughter on the throne and was marrying her.  But he didn't expect that!  

LOL Was that a bug?  Or does the kiss always trigger with high approval for Loghain, since there's not an In Love flag for him I imagine?

I seriously don't see Loghain doing that, no matter who the Warden is.  He does not strike me as a PDA kinda guy.

And, ewww. 

I don't think it's a bug. I think it's an option regardless of flags or approval or anything, just for RP purposes.

Ah, I see.  The other gate kisses trigger on their own, I take it this is a dialogue option you have to choose specifically.

"Kiss Loghain."  That makes me giggle, especially for certain Wardens.  I'm picturing some burly warrior type saying, "I love you, man.  No, I LOVE YOU."  Too funny.

Yes, exactly!  It was a "Kiss Loghain" option.  My male Cousland had barely had any contact with Loghain.  They definitely weren't friendly.  So I chose it, thinking it would be some sort of Comrade in Arms type of goodbye.  

I was surprised.  

[tuppence95]

 I also don't see blood magic as necessarily evil. Neither did Duncan.  Try talking to him about it in the mage origin.

[Zjarcal]

A thought occurred to me. A blood mage healer is a saint. Sacrificing your own life force to heal others. Canonize that mage!



Imagine the face on Alistair if you told him you saved his life by weakening your own...

[Addai]

Zjarcal wrote...

A thought occurred to me. A blood mage healer is a saint. Sacrificing your own life force to heal others. Canonize that mage!

Imagine the face on Alistair if you told him you saved his life by weakening your own...

Heh, this is all in my Idun story.   

Game mechanics wise, you can't heal yourself much when using blood magic.  Otherwise it would be crazy OP.  And Idun shuns blood magic as a regular practice because she believes it can be corrupting.  But she does note the fact that a mage who combines regenerative healing with blood magic could be very powerful.  It's essentially what Avernus has done.

[Addai]

tuppence95 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Ah, I see.  The other gate kisses trigger on their own, I take it this is a dialogue option you have to choose specifically.

"Kiss Loghain."  That makes me giggle, especially for certain Wardens.  I'm picturing some burly warrior type saying, "I love you, man.  No, I LOVE YOU."  Too funny.

Yes, exactly!  It was a "Kiss Loghain" option.  My male Cousland had barely had any contact with Loghain.  They definitely weren't friendly.  So I chose it, thinking it would be some sort of Comrade in Arms type of goodbye.  

I was surprised.  

Heh, in that situation I would like to see the look on Loghain's face as your Warden moves in for the smooch.  OMG, too funny.

[CalJones]

Oh man, I would. Tongues and everything. *eyebrow waggle*

[Zjarcal]

Addai67 wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

A thought occurred to me. A blood mage healer is a saint. Sacrificing your own life force to heal others. Canonize that mage!

Imagine the face on Alistair if you told him you saved his life by weakening your own...

Heh, this is all in my Idun story.   

Game mechanics wise, you can't heal yourself much when using blood magic.  Otherwise it would be crazy OP.  And Idun shuns blood magic as a regular practice because she believes it can be corrupting.  But she does note the fact that a mage who combines regenerative healing with blood magic could be very powerful.  It's essentially what Avernus has done.

Yeah, I read that bit on your story "In Uthenera". My mage tried to be cautious with it but she still made liberal use of it. One thing she never did was use the "blood sacrifice" spell. If blood will power her spells, it's her own blood, not the one of others.

Self healing is indeed useless for a blood mage, but killing yourself in the process of saving others is not! 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 01 septembre 2010 - 09:09 .

[MortalEngines]

 I've not actually taken part in this thread well..at all, but I'm a big Alistair fan (his second to Morrigan, only ) and I've been making some signature for the Morrigan thread and felt that it's only right that I made some for here as well.

These Signatures can be used by ANYONE, no need to ask permission .

Animated:



Non-Animated:

[errant_knight]

Addai67 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
Heh, I never spare the blood mage in the tower, either. Jowan is the only one that I really believe wants to make up for what he did, so he gets to go to the fade to save Conner. He also doesn't shy away from taking responsibility. Even when I suggested that he leave, he reufused, preferring to make things right. He's a screw up, but not a bad person, and he doesn't lack for courage. The Maleficar seems almost certain to use blood magic to escape, even after she's seen what happened in the tower and makes excuses too easily for me.

I guess I tend to play more pragmatically than law-n-order Wardens, and my Andrastians tend to be soft touches.  As far as Alistair goes, he certainly doesn't advocate killing blood mages outright, even if he doesn't like blood magic.  With the blood mage in the Tower, he actually (jokingly) tries to tell her to give up on her plan to go to the Chantry for repentance.  He'll argue with Sten about killing Jowan, saying "we can't just kill him."  So I think the fact that he goes frowny on Avernus but doesn't demand his head is perfectly IC.  He's got a pragmatic person in him who can come out to a certain extent, for noble purposes.

I take what Alistair is saying there very differently, in that I think he's arguing with Leliana in favor of the maleficar's death, and I think the same can be said for the interactions you actually have about Avernus. Alistair says that some things can't be forgiven. Now, obviously the game is set up for him to say that if you indicate the same belief by condemning Avernus, and not in others, to allow for greater latitude in gameplay, so Alistair can have a range of views, depending on who your warden is. They're all within the same ballpark, but there are differences.

And the game makes it possible to view blood magic in many lights, in the same way that it doesn't give you a right or wrong view about much in the game. Almost anything can be argued as acceptable, and even necessary. My own feeling is that a form of magic that's powered by life force is intrinsically evil, especially when, while the PC may be very virtuous and only use spells that drain his/her self, that is certain to be a rarity, given human nature.

Modifié par errant_knight, 01 septembre 2010 - 09:14 .

[Zjarcal]

*gasp*

Mortal's greatness has now been spread into all threads.

Glorious!
You rock Mortal! 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 01 septembre 2010 - 09:11 .

[MortalEngines]

Zjarcal wrote...

*gasp*

Mortal's greatness has now been spread into all threads.

Glorious!
You rock Mortal! 

Haha, I'm starting up a blog as well, it will be updated daily with signatures that I've made so people can have quick access to them (of course, none of the exclusive, requested ones will be put up there).

[Zjarcal]

MortalEngines wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

*gasp*

Mortal's greatness has now been spread into all threads.

Glorious!
You rock Mortal! 

Haha, I'm starting up a blog as well, it will be updated daily with signatures that I've made so people can have quick access to them (of course, none of the exclusive, requested ones will be put up there).

Yeah, I suppose it would be weird if someone else was using my "Leliana <3 Dana" signature...

[inclemency]

MortalEngines wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

*gasp*

Mortal's greatness has now been spread into all threads.

Glorious!
You rock Mortal! 

Haha, I'm starting up a blog as well, it will be updated daily with signatures that I've made so people can have quick access to them (of course, none of the exclusive, requested ones will be put up there).

Excellent, and thank you very much!  I've been mourning the fact I've been too lazy to reinstall Photoshop on my new drive, so no new photos, manips, or sigs (not that I can make decent sigs...lol).  You've come to the rescue
:wizard:

[Morwen Eledhwen]

CalJones wrote...

Oh man, I would. Tongues and everything. *eyebrow waggle*

I would have to do this at least once.

[Addai]

Zjarcal wrote...

Yeah, I read that bit on your story "In Uthenera". My mage tried to be cautious with it but she still made liberal use of it. One thing she never did was use the "blood sacrifice" spell. If blood will power her spells, it's her own blood, not the one of others.

Self healing is indeed useless for a blood mage, but killing yourself in the process of saving others is not! 

I think Idun would have come around to using it more often if she had not made an agreement with Alistair not to use it except in dire circumstances.  Which brings up the question of what is dire, and if it is foolish idealism to quibble about injuring your team member slightly so that you can possibly save his life with a very powerful spell that would wipe out a lot of enemies that are out to kill him (or her, as the case may be).  If I had wanted to write a cruel story, I would have had Alistair die and Idun left to wonder if she could have used blood magic to save him, or Idun die and Alistair to wonder if she could have saved herself if she had used blood magic.

My other blood mage, Sula, was a little darker (and a Zev girl, so no Alistair conflicts).  But with her I mostly used a ranger pet for healing.  When Idun used blood magic, I just had her go out of it and use mana spells when her health started getting low.

Modifié par Addai67, 01 septembre 2010 - 09:50 .

[Addai]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

CalJones wrote...

Oh man, I would. Tongues and everything. *eyebrow waggle*

I would have to do this at least once.

I'd rather kiss the broodmother.  Or Cammen.

[Avilia]

Addai67 wrote...

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

CalJones wrote...

Oh man, I would. Tongues and everything. *eyebrow waggle*

I would have to do this at least once.

I'd rather kiss the broodmother.  Or Cammen.

When I got to the gate and saw the "kiss him" option I was - 'wtf!? No wai"  Then I thought...oh it might be funny.  I overcame that impulse however.  Loghain seemed a bit too proper for a big pash when I hardly knew him ;-)

Edit - Alistair being Alistair :

Modifié par Avilia, 01 septembre 2010 - 09:59 .

[Zjarcal]

Addai67 wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Yeah, I read that bit on your story "In Uthenera". My mage tried to be cautious with it but she still made liberal use of it. One thing she never did was use the "blood sacrifice" spell. If blood will power her spells, it's her own blood, not the one of others.

Self healing is indeed useless for a blood mage, but killing yourself in the process of saving others is not! 

I think Idun would have come around to using it more often if she had not made an agreement with Alistair not to use it except in dire circumstances.  Which brings up the question of what is dire, and if it is foolish idealism to quibble about injuring your team member slightly so that you can possibly save his life with a very powerful spell that would wipe out a lot of enemies that are out to kill him (or her, as the case may be).  If I had wanted to write a cruel story, I would have had Alistair die and Idun left to wonder if she could have used blood magic to save him, or Idun die and Alistair to wonder if she could have saved herself if she had used blood magic.

My other blood mage, Sula, was a little darker (and a Zev girl, so no Alistair conflicts).  But with her I mostly used a ranger pet for healing.  When Idun used blood magic, I just had her go out of it and use mana spells when her health started getting low.

My blood mage had so many points invested in constitution (along with those from items) that she never ran out of juice, so aside from the idealism of not wanting to use the lifeforce of others, she didn't really need to.

If I had been willing to use the blood sacrifice spell, Alistair would've always been the victim. There's some delicious irony in there.

[inclemency]

 (hair covered up this time!)

Modifié par inclemency, 01 septembre 2010 - 10:02 .