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[Glorfindel709]

A) Lady D - I really enjoy your story Mistakes. Just figured I should get that off of my chest.

In regards to the "why the Cailan hate" I have one simple word. "Glorious". Any man who is in command of soldiers and thinks that them charging into a battle against a near unstoppable evil that has blighted lands and toppled kingdoms for centuries, whose very blood is poisonous, and is more concerned with winning glory than going for real credible military strategy designed to both complete the objective and lead to the minimal risk to the nation he is sovereign of is unworthy of any respect in my book. "I was hoping for a battle like the tales!" .

C) Lets' not forget that Fiona demanded that he be kept away from the worlds that made both of his parents miserable. A life away from the throne and away from the stigma of elven-ness(a word? maybe not) and a place where he could be happy. Sure, Eamon probably used the Orlesian word for happy (living in the stables, being shipped off to become a lyrium addled lunatic, etc etc) but he did try to keep him out of the politics. This is assuming of course that Fiona is actually Alistairs mother. O.o How many Theirin bastards are there?!

Will someone ToP for me?

Modifié par Glorfindel709, 30 janvier 2011 - 06:18 .

[LadyDamodred]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ah yes. Of course, why would I expect a discussion to be allowed in here. It's not like the thread is dying because there is nothing to talk about.

A discussion implies give and take on both sides, not simply stating what you believe to be as fact and then backing it up with...no proof.

I generally couch things with "I think" or "It seems probable/possible/likely" because all of this is pure speculation.  We simply don't know.  Once I get into something, I might stop doing that, but I try to come back to it.

Discussing something like this does relate to Alistair, and heavily so, but the problem lies in that we have very little information on what exactly happened and no information as to personal motives.  You always state things as purely black and white.  You know what's correct because it's what you think.

How do we know Eamon didn't take Alistair in out of the goodness of his heart when he saw a family member in trouble?  Where is the proof--absolute and undeniable--that this wasn't the case?  In fact, I could say this is the truth:  Eamon is a Guerrin, an old and respected line in Ferelden, loyal to the royal family above their own personal considerations, as we saw when Rendorn kept the rebellion going when all thought the Theirins were dead.  He did his best to care for Alistair, and was kind and generous to him, though perhaps not knowing the best way to do it.  He cared for Alistair, enough to try and see him several times and repair the amulet.  He did all this because he's just a nice guy.

Where is the proof this isn't true?

[TotoroTori]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

The fangirls are coming out of tah word work.

Notice I said THERIN not Alistair.
I said Maric and Cailan. NOT Alistair.

Whatever.

really just wants her simple enjoyment of going to a thread and say "I love this character" yeah I was hoping for debates but mostly fan art and great fanfiction to read

its the implication.....
"That's why Alistair shouldn't be king, because his brother and father were 'fools'"

I will show respect to the characters yall enjoy and I don't go into the thread and say "Oh so-and so totally sucks because of...." so please stay out if you are here to do that. Don't make me go into mean Tori mood, because I don't like going into mean Tori mood


I mean can't a girl just go into a thread about a character she enjoys and enjoy the thread?

[KnightofPhoenix]

TotoroTori wrote...
So I will repost this if I have to.....
If you arn't here to respect Alistair, get out! I want a thread to enjoy, not be ashamed that I f*cken enjoyed this thread...so if your here to bash or hate on my Ali-pup, then GET OUT NOW!

Fine.

Been a pleasure, all those months. 

See you.

[Giggles_Manically]

inclemency wrote...

Well, I think I just got stomped by that, too...I was actually enjoying the back and forth.  Guess I don`t belong here either.

Its so easy to forget that people demand complete and utter devotion and wont stand for their things to be questioned.

Yeah.

[Glorfindel709]

No KoP, come back!

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

TotoroTori wrote...
So I will repost this if I have to.....
If you arn't here to respect Alistair, get out! I want a thread to enjoy, not be ashamed that I f*cken enjoyed this thread...so if your here to bash or hate on my Ali-pup, then GET OUT NOW!

Fine.

Been a pleasure, all those months. 

See you.

Wait for me Senor! 
This place has become an unhappy place.

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyDamodred wrote...
How do we know Eamon didn't take Alistair in out of the goodness of his heart when he saw a family member in trouble?  Where is the proof--absolute and undeniable--that this wasn't the case?  In fact, I could say this is the truth:  Eamon is a Guerrin, an old and respected line in Ferelden, loyal to the royal family above their own personal considerations, as we saw when Rendorn kept the rebellion going when all thought the Theirins were dead.  He did his best to care for Alistair, and was kind and generous to him, though perhaps not knowing the best way to do it.  He cared for Alistair, enough to try and see him several times and repair the amulet.  He did all this because he's just a nice guy.

Where is the proof this isn't true?

When did I say that there is proof?

A king is supposed to take everything into cosndieration and consider all possible scenarios. And act.
Not base on Eamon's supposed loyal;ty that is also yet to be proven, especially since he was in the free MArches and not during the Rebellion until later.

But whatever. I am not welcome here and quite frankly, I stopped caring.

Leaving.

[cmessaz]

I don't want anyone to leave! I think things get really blown out of proportion sometimes....

[errant_knight]

Say, Alistairschica... I don't suppose you have some new story for us? This would be a swell time for a bard to spring into action...

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
Why would Eamon ask if he didn't even know about the baby?

Maric promised Fiona that he would raise her son away from the court but where he could watch him.  In order to do this and keep her identity a secret, he needed someone very close to his inner circle, a royalist but someone loyal to him personally as well.

And who told you that Eamon doesn't know? Maybe Maric told him and wanted to hear advice and Eamon jumped at the opportunity?

Maric could have always given Alistair to a family that resides in Denerim. That would keep him under his watch, but away from politics. Giving him to Eamon is stupid, considering that he wants to keep Alistair away from politics completely. This is not accomplished when you are giving him up to one of the most powerful lords in the land.

If Maric was telling anyone, it was because he thought they might be able to help him do what he needed to do.  He wouldn't just be gossiping about it for the sake of bull****ting over cigars.  I'm assuming here that Alistair is Fiona's son.  Maric would not have jeopardized Fiona's identity on a whim.  He asked Eamon because he knew Eamon would say yes.

Maric doesn't want Alistair close enough that he could bump into him on the street.  That's why he has Duncan looking after him.  It's not "stupid" to give him to Eamon, if Eamon agrees to raise him as a commoner.  If you wanted to make sure your child was taken care of, who would you entrust him to, a stranger or someone in your family who is also sworn to serve you?

Modifié par Addai67, 30 janvier 2011 - 06:26 .

[Glorfindel709]

It didnt even get out of proportion. Anyone who's talked in this thread for long enough has seen these debates. General Consensus of many is that the Therin line can kinda be foolhardy (KoP for example has a big problem with Alistair leaving if you spare Loghain, Cailans a glory hound, and Maric chases all the elven tail he can get his hands on) but there are redeemable qualities of the characters that we do discuss in other discussions.



There's no reason why we cant talk about the flaws of Alistair in the Alistair Gush thread. Was it not said that it is the flaws in the character that make them more interesting, more human?

[cmessaz]

Guys, I think the fact that there was like a page of all the "other side" without argument from an Alistairian threw people off a bit. No one needs to leave!!!!

[cmessaz]

errant_knight wrote...

Say, Alistairschica... I don't suppose you have some new story for us? This would be a swell time for a bard to spring into action...

^^ THIS

[Commander of the Grey]

errant_knight wrote...

Say, Alistairschica... I don't suppose you have some new story for us? This would be a swell time for a bard to spring into action...

*waves hands in a warding gesture*  Ah, don't pressure me like that.  Work has been keeping me away the past couple of days.  I always get my writing done mon-wed b/c of less hours and my days off.  Fri-sun kick my butt.  12 hours today and 9 tomorrow.  I have started it though. 

I wish I could lighten the mood though.  We all have opinions.  There's nothing wrong with that.  Come on, peeps.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
I also theorize that Maric and Duncan worked out plan B, to conscript Alistair into the Wardens if he didn't want to become templar.

You mean Maric decided to subject his son that he abandons to a 50% chance of dying and a 30 years life span before dying in the deep roads with no one noticing?
He might as well just kill Alistair when he was a baby and be done with it.

Far more likely that it's Duncan coming up with a plan B. A necessity when the king of Ferelden at the time of Alsitair's recruitment happens to be an heirless imbecile.

Yes.  Maric knows that a Blight is coming to Ferelden.  He's not like most people who dismiss the threat.  In fact, he takes it so seriously that he jeopardized his own life to help the Wardens.  Besides, Alistair is probably going to end up as a soldier of some sort.  Serving humanity honorably in the Wardens is a good way for him to have a noble life and yet- this is the other big advantage- never be able to inherit a noble title.  It would ensure that Alistair would remain free from his legacy (so he thinks, anyway), which was the whole point.  The only other place which would give him the same opportunity and the same freedom is in the templars, hence why I think that was probably Maric's idea, too.

Modifié par Addai67, 30 janvier 2011 - 06:31 .

[cmessaz]

Yes, seriously. Tori is a really sweet girl, and KoP is just awesome. I love you all, let's just forget this and move on!

[LadyDamodred]

They were so loyal that they were the ones the marriage was arranged with.  Why would you arrange to have your future king marry that family if you didn't think they were loyal?  Especially when so much rested on it.

What did the Couslands get?  Nothing more than what they had before, and if rumor is to be believed, they could have had the throne, but didn't take it.  Why not?  What did they get for being loyal and patriotic?

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Maric is supposed to suspect and think that it's possible. Expect the worse and take it into consdieration. Taht's what rulers are do. But apaprently being a cute emotional human being makes that task irrlevent.

 

Did I say that?  No.  I said his decision about where to place Alistair did have emotional reasons, but there non-emotional reasons as well.  I've also said that Maric effed up at times, and pretty majorly.  But I fail to see why you should suspect people who have only ever been loyal.  If you can't trust a family like the Guerrins, who can you trust?

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
It would have worked when Alistair was sent to the Chantry. Not when he stayed with Eamon and like I said before, I find it unlikley that he did so without being pressured to.

 
Irrelevant.  It still would have worked if not for Loghain and Cailan.  And you have zero proof that he was pressured, so again, irrelevant.

[Commander of the Grey]

We need Alicorn to heal our friendships with his mighty pink, sparkling...whatever he has going for him. Don't go anywhere dirty with that, either, ladies.

[LadyDamodred]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Not base on Eamon's supposed loyal;ty that is also yet to be proven.

When has his loyalty been disproven?  We have zero reason to think he's disloyal and lots to think that he is loyal.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
But whatever. I am not welcome here and quite frankly, I stopped caring.

Leaving.

Meh, your choice.  I've had to listen to a lot of sh!t in the Alistair Gush Thread about how much he sucks, which made me feel like I was unwelcome, so....

Glor:  Glad you're liking the story!

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 30 janvier 2011 - 06:36 .

[TotoroTori]

Let me rephrase myself. I not saying that you should leave unless you are here to cause problems. I enjoy debates, hell I still do love Triangle Final Fantasy 7 debates. I just don't want there to only have 'bashing' comments, we are all adults and I really don't want to see people leave......okay KoP I am sorry I wasn't meaning you I swear I wasn't!

[Thor Rand Al]

Here ya go

[Addai]

Yeah, sorry guys. I went back to my posts to see what KoP replied, but didn't read the subsequent pages with all the slap-happy Theirin bashing. I am not amused, either. Everyone's entitled to their opinions, but KoP and Giggles have very extreme views and might do better to mediate their tone, at least in Alistairland. My 2c anyway. I'll bow out.

[Reika]

I was trying to come back because it looked like the thread had gone less extreme, but I'm done after all I guess.



Later folks.

[Yankee23]

Great prompt, Lady D!  You think maybe you could...um..write up the rest of that?