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[inclemency]

Yes, errant, S-IPS monitors are pretty amazing, there's a 178 degree viewing angle on them, and the brightness/colourshift is minimal even when viewing at an extreme angle. On regular monitors you get brightness/colourshift when just moving your head a bit. The better you see a project, the better it will look to all once it's done no matter what equipment they have. It will never look the same, though.

Great action shot, don't every stop posting your work, errant!

Modifié par inclemency, 31 janvier 2011 - 03:15 .

[Yankee23]

alisgirl wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

alisgirl wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Alisgirl...wow. Thanks a lot, I always felt that scene seemed a bit...empty in game. I really your take on it.

You're very welcome, and thank *you* -- so far I only have DahliaLynn's mods installed because I have a bit of ADHD/anxiety when it comes to mod installation, but I have really been looking forward to checking yours out.

Go get IRS-A now! No self respecting Ali girl goes to the tent without it!

Not that I needed much...any...convincing, but all right...I shall do it!  

 You'll love it! It's not just tent scenes. There is quite time, origin specific scenes, hugs, new kisses...Cmessaz, DahliaLynn and TMP are genius'!

[Maricsblade]

errant_knight wrote...

alisgirl wrote...

So am I the only one here who didn't know that there was romance in this game? I'd been playing WoW for three years and I stopped for a bit to play DA:O. I was enjoying it well enough, but when I hit Redcliffe...well, things suddenly got verrrry interesting.

And to think that my hubby bought it for me because he thought I'd play a non-MMO *less*. Oops.

I had no idea. Alistair came up to my PC with the rose, and I was all 'What? Really? For me? Wow!"

Lol, nice quote there

Unfortunately I figured it out a bit earlier than that, then did the stupid thing -- started looking things up on the Internet. Before long I was "cheating" my way through the Landsmeet and the follow-on conflicts, trying to make sure that Alistair and I got out with our lives. When I read about people who said they felt kicked in the teeth after finishing the game, well...I wish it were me, and that I hadn't spoiled the ending for myself. I could always have re-played it. 

[_Somebody]

inclemency wrote...

Yes, errant, S-IPS monitors are pretty amazing, there's a 178 degree viewing angle on them, and the brightness/colourshift is minimal even when viewing at an extreme angle. On regular monitors you get brightness/colourshift when just moving your head a bit. The better you see a project, the better it will look to all once it's done no matter what equipment they have. It will never look the same, though.

Great action shot, don't every stop posting your work, errant!

ToP?  really?  ugh, have to rummage

What is a S-IPS monitor?

[Eber]

errant_knight wrote...

Eber wrote...
Screenshots are not shots of the screen but rather information gathered from the graphic card so the high contrast of your monitor would not matter. It just makes the screenshots look better when viewed on your  monitor.

Really? I did not know this. Still, what I said about crt monitors remains true. I have a two monitor system, with the same graphics card on each, and the CRT is miles better.

I'm honestly just speculating. I see no reason why the monitor should be involved in the production of a screenshot, a bunch of ones and zeros representing colours. It's only needed to view them. If I wanted to test my theory I would try taking screenshots without a monitor hooked up (start up the game, unplug monitor and press print screen). If it works, and I think it would, that's confirmation right there.

Anyway I too am a fan of the CRT:s. I wen't from a nice but worn out and buzzing CRT to a cheap IPS not long ago and blacks aren't what they used to be.

Modifié par Eber, 31 janvier 2011 - 02:57 .

[Maricsblade]

Yankee23 wrote...

alisgirl wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

alisgirl wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Alisgirl...wow. Thanks a lot, I always felt that scene seemed a bit...empty in game. I really your take on it.

You're very welcome, and thank *you* -- so far I only have DahliaLynn's mods installed because I have a bit of ADHD/anxiety when it comes to mod installation, but I have really been looking forward to checking yours out.

Go get IRS-A now! No self respecting Ali girl goes to the tent without it!

Not that I needed much...any...convincing, but all right...I shall do it!  

 You'll love it! It's not just tent scenes. There is quite time, origin specific scenes, hugs, new kisses...Cmessaz, DahliaLynn and TMP are genius'!

Yeah, I have played enough now that I don't think I'll miss the original version of anything.

I agree, they are geniuses. And very altruistic! 

[rak72]

alisgirl wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

alisgirl wrote...

So am I the only one here who didn't know that there was romance in this game? I'd been playing WoW for three years and I stopped for a bit to play DA:O. I was enjoying it well enough, but when I hit Redcliffe...well, things suddenly got verrrry interesting.

And to think that my hubby bought it for me because he thought I'd play a non-MMO *less*. Oops.

I had no idea. Alistair came up to my PC with the rose, and I was all 'What? Really? For me? Wow!"

Lol, nice quote there

Unfortunately I figured it out a bit earlier than that, then did the stupid thing -- started looking things up on the Internet. Before long I was "cheating" my way through the Landsmeet and the follow-on conflicts, trying to make sure that Alistair and I got out with our lives. When I read about people who said they felt kicked in the teeth after finishing the game, well...I wish it were me, and that I hadn't spoiled the ending for myself. I could always have re-played it. 

I got about 1/2 way through & read all the spoilers.  I didn't want to screw anything up.

[errant_knight]

Somebody wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Eber wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

alisgirl wrote...

@errant -- Great fire shots! What res. is your monitor, if you don't mind my asking? Mine never turn out that good…

There's nothing special about the resolution of my monitor. It's probably that I use a crt monitor, and the picture on crt is MUCH better than lcd, even when viewed on an lcd monitor, which is probably what you're using. lcd just can't match the contrast.

Screenshots are not shots of the screen but rather information gathered from the graphic card so the high contrast of your monitor would not matter. It just makes the screenshots look better when viewed on your monitor.

Really? I did not know this. Still, what I said about crt monitors remains true. I have a two monitor system, with the same graphics card on each (well, very close), and the CRT is miles better.

Arent they like the old tvs though when it comes to fine detail like text? 

Someone else is going to have to explain the technicalities of why they're better (if not like the lcd monitors that Inclemency was talking about which I don't think I've ever seen), I'm afraid. Now, I do know that while text is more pixilated on the LCD, it's also sharper, and they're a software thingy that takes care of the pixilization. Beyond that, I really can't say. I just know that for graphics, which is my primary concern, the CRTs that I have or have seen are better than the LCDs that I've come in contact with. And they're dirt cheap for a good screen size which didn't used to be the case.

[_Somebody]

errant_knight wrote...

Somebody wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Eber wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

alisgirl wrote...

@errant -- Great fire shots! What res. is your monitor, if you don't mind my asking? Mine never turn out that good…

There's nothing special about the resolution of my monitor. It's probably that I use a crt monitor, and the picture on crt is MUCH better than lcd, even when viewed on an lcd monitor, which is probably what you're using. lcd just can't match the contrast.

Screenshots are not shots of the screen but rather information gathered from the graphic card so the high contrast of your monitor would not matter. It just makes the screenshots look better when viewed on your monitor.

Really? I did not know this. Still, what I said about crt monitors remains true. I have a two monitor system, with the same graphics card on each (well, very close), and the CRT is miles better.

Arent they like the old tvs though when it comes to fine detail like text? 

Someone else is going to have to explain the technicalities of why they're better (if not like the lcd monitors that Inclemency was talking about which I don't think I've ever seen), I'm afraid. Now, I do know that while text is more pixilated on the LCD, it's also sharper, and they're a software thingy that takes care of the pixilization. Beyond that, I really can't say. I just know that for graphics, which is my primary concern, the CRTs that I have or have seen are better than the LCDs that I've come in contact with. And they're dirt cheap for a good screen size which didn't used to be the case.

I think I get it. Im going to have to dig out my old monitor from 2000 and try DAO on it now.

[errant_knight]

alisgirl wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

alisgirl wrote...

So am I the only one here who didn't know that there was romance in this game? I'd been playing WoW for three years and I stopped for a bit to play DA:O. I was enjoying it well enough, but when I hit Redcliffe...well, things suddenly got verrrry interesting.

And to think that my hubby bought it for me because he thought I'd play a non-MMO *less*. Oops.

I had no idea. Alistair came up to my PC with the rose, and I was all 'What? Really? For me? Wow!"

Lol, nice quote there [...]

Actually, I was quoting me, not Alistair. I really did say that to myself.

[Maricsblade]

rak72 wrote...

alisgirl wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

alisgirl wrote...

So am I the only one here who didn't know that there was romance in this game? I'd been playing WoW for three years and I stopped for a bit to play DA:O. I was enjoying it well enough, but when I hit Redcliffe...well, things suddenly got verrrry interesting.

And to think that my hubby bought it for me because he thought I'd play a non-MMO *less*. Oops.

I had no idea. Alistair came up to my PC with the rose, and I was all 'What? Really? For me? Wow!"

Lol, nice quote there

Unfortunately I figured it out a bit earlier than that, then did the stupid thing -- started looking things up on the Internet. Before long I was "cheating" my way through the Landsmeet and the follow-on conflicts, trying to make sure that Alistair and I got out with our lives. When I read about people who said they felt kicked in the teeth after finishing the game, well...I wish it were me, and that I hadn't spoiled the ending for myself. I could always have re-played it. 

I got about 1/2 way through & read all the spoilers.  I didn't want to screw anything up.

Yeah, it was just too painful to think about. Crazy! But hey, just more evidence of what an amazing job they did with Alistair.

[errant_knight]

Eber wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Eber wrote...
Screenshots are not shots of the screen but rather information gathered from the graphic card so the high contrast of your monitor would not matter. It just makes the screenshots look better when viewed on your  monitor.

Really? I did not know this. Still, what I said about crt monitors remains true. I have a two monitor system, with the same graphics card on each, and the CRT is miles better.

I'm honestly just speculating. I see no reason why the monitor should be involved in the production of a screenshot, a bunch of ones and zeros representing colours. It's only needed to view them. If I wanted to test my theory I would try taking screenshots without a monitor hooked up (start up the game, unplug monitor and press print screen). If it works, and I think it would, that's confirmation right there.

Anyway I too am a fan of the CRT:s. I wen't from a nice but worn out and buzzing CRT to a cheap IPS not long ago and blacks aren't what they used to be.

Well, if it's taking a picture of the screen, which I think it is, then the monitor could defintely make a difference. As you note, blacks just aren't black on most LCDs.

[inclemency]

Somebody wrote...

inclemency wrote...

Yes, errant, S-IPS monitors are pretty amazing, there's a 178 degree viewing angle on them, and the brightness/colourshift is minimal even when viewing at an extreme angle. On regular monitors you get brightness/colourshift when just moving your head a bit. The better you see a project, the better it will look to all once it's done no matter what equipment they have. It will never look the same, though.

Great action shot, don't every stop posting your work, errant!

ToP?  really?  ugh, have to rummage

What is a S-IPS monitor?

LCD monitors come with different 'panels' inside.  The most prevalent, what most folks have, are 'TN' panels, which have a very fast refresh rate, but the colourshift and brightness shift when you move your head while looking at it is pretty bad.  

There are mid-panels, like MVA and PVA, etc, then there are the IPS monitors, which were created to fix the shift and colour accuracy.  They are a slower refresh, but they're still fast enough to game.  I shouldn't have typed 'S' IPS, but just used IPS, since there are several types.

Ya'll are getting into a 'colour monitoring' debate, which I can tell you can go on forever.  It's been debated forever, fortunately there are solutions.  Google 'color calibration' and 'monitor calibration' some time, you'll see.  No need to debate it here unless you've already delved into the problem.   Lol, I've spent well over 2 grand for calibration hardware and software for my monitors and equipment, the latest being i1XTreme UVcut.  

Modifié par inclemency, 31 janvier 2011 - 03:09 .

[errant_knight]

inclemency wrote...

Yes, errant, S-IPS monitors are pretty amazing, there's a 178 degree viewing angle on them, and the brightness/colourshift is minimal even when viewing at an extreme angle. On regular monitors you get brightness/colourshift when just moving your head a bit. The better you see a project, the better it will look to all once it's done no matter what equipment they have. It will never look the same, though.

Great action shot, don't every stop posting your work, errant!

ToP?  really?  ugh, have to rummage

But they're not better than a good CRT, right? So I might as well keep using an inexpensive, but decent quality crt? For as long as they're available, anyway. At some point, most will be recycled. Unless I get to them first!

Top for Inclemency, who's still rummaging.

Modifié par errant_knight, 31 janvier 2011 - 03:14 .

[inclemency]

I use a P-IPS which uses 1.07 billion colours, it's much better than my crt

[errant_knight]

inclemency wrote...

I use a P-IPS which uses 1.07 billion colours, it's much better than my crt

Wow! That sounds expensive, though, right?

[inclemency]

My S-IPS wasn't as expensive and still calibrates better than my LaCie CRT. The Ps are still outrageous, though,
but got one for this new computer of mine, which is also outrageous   

Modifié par inclemency, 31 janvier 2011 - 03:26 .

[Eber]

Okay I tested it and if I run Dragon Age in full screen it crashes when I unplug my monitor. Presumably because it has no screen to claim in full. If I run it in windowed mode I can take screenshots when the monitor is unplugged. I consider it proven that a better screen will not produce better screenshots. Screenshots will however look better on a better monitor regardless of their origin.

[Tigress M]

@Reika - I loved your prompt! I can just see Alistair dealing with that Harrowing and vowing to somehow find a way to never have to be involved with that again. Well done.

[inclemency]

Eber wrote...

Okay I tested it and if I run Dragon Age in full screen it crashes when I unplug my monitor. Presumably because it has no screen to claim in full. If I run it in windowed mode I can take screenshots when the monitor is unplugged. I consider it proven that a better screen will not produce better screenshots. Screenshots will however look better on a better monitor regardless of their origin.

This particular debate has been going on for years and has been studied in-depth.  Please don't let it rage here.  Calibration is a complicated and in-depth subject that we cannot do justice to on this particular forum, in this particular topic.   I'll be glad to discuss it with you, but just not here anymore, especially since you've left out so many variables it's not even funny. 

Modifié par inclemency, 31 janvier 2011 - 03:39 .

[Maricsblade]

Agree with Tigress. Just started a mage playthrough and ran into Cullen after the harrowing...had no idea that he would have had to kill me if I'd failed. Of course, most templars probably don't mind killing abominations…part of the job description, no?

[cmessaz]

alisgirl wrote...

Agree with Tigress. Just started a mage playthrough and ran into Cullen after the harrowing...had no idea that he would have had to kill me if I'd failed. Of course, most templars probably don't mind killing abominations…part of the job description, no?

Ohh I love Cullen. I may or may not have things in the works with him, beyond what I already have. Just sayin.

[Eber]

inclemency wrote...

Eber wrote...

Okay I tested it and if I run Dragon Age in full screen it crashes when I unplug my monitor. Presumably because it has no screen to claim in full. If I run it in windowed mode I can take screenshots when the monitor is unplugged. I consider it proven that a better screen will not produce better screenshots. Screenshots will however look better on a better monitor regardless of their origin.

This particular debate has been going on for years and has been studied in-depth. Please don't let it rage here. Calibration is a complicated and in-depth subject that we cannot do justice to on this particular forum, in this particular topic. I'll be glad to discuss it with you, but just not here anymore, especially since you've left out so many variables it's not even funny.

I was just confirming that screenshots are not shots of the screen. That the screen has nothing to do with the rendering of the screenshot. That's hardly a complicated matter we can't do justice in this thread.

[Tigress M]

cmessaz wrote...

alisgirl wrote...

Agree with Tigress. Just started a mage playthrough and ran into Cullen after the harrowing...had no idea that he would have had to kill me if I'd failed. Of course, most templars probably don't mind killing abominations…part of the job description, no?

Ohh I love Cullen. I may or may not have things in the works with him, beyond what I already have. Just sayin.

Tease.  

[RagingCyclone]

cmessaz wrote...

alisgirl wrote...

Agree with Tigress. Just started a mage playthrough and ran into Cullen after the harrowing...had no idea that he would have had to kill me if I'd failed. Of course, most templars probably don't mind killing abominations…part of the job description, no?

Ohh I love Cullen. I may or may not have things in the works with him, beyond what I already have. Just sayin.

Big Big Big hint there.