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[Yankee23]

Couple more RDT as I move into Wednesday.

[inclemency]

Nice sword positioning on the second one *laughs*

[Collider]

I have a question.

We know that Alistair leaves if Loghain, who's (in)action led to the death of Duncan, is spared.



But what if Duncan was alive, and (presumably) advocated sparing Loghain? What would Alistair do then? He sees Duncan as something of a father figure, maybe even the "face" of the grey wardens. Duncan saved Alistair from a rather dreary life.

[Glorfindel709]

If Duncan wasnt dead, Alistair wouldnt have nearly as much reason to loathe Loghain as he does. Hell, as he strikes Loghain down he says "This is for Duncan."



If Duncan said "lets recruit him" he might protest but he'd give in to Duncans wish.

[errant_knight]

I'm not sure it would be that cut and dried. Yeah, he'd probably go along with it--after some yelling and some convincing--but Loghain would still have abandoned the wardens on the field, and still caused Cailan's death as far as Alistair was concerned. And Loghain would still be being 'punished' with an honor. I think he'd do it, but I think it would be the beginning of the end for him as far as the wardens are concerned. I can see him leaving in much the same way he does if the warden is killed.

Modifié par errant_knight, 02 février 2011 - 06:58 .

[Zjarcal]

errant_knight wrote...
I think he'd do it, but I think it would be the beginning of the end for him as far as the wardens are concerned.

Yeah, I agree. It'd probably be the moment where all the ideals he had about the wardens and Duncan himself would start to crumble.

I'd say he wouldn't react as strongly since A, Loghain hasn't killed his father figure hence his hatred for him wouldn't be AS strong, and B, having Duncan be the one calling this decision would make him respect it a bit more.

Still, he'd definitely be pissed about it and would challenge it strongly. Whether he'd eventually leave the wardens or learn to accept that they are not what he paints them to be, I couldn't tell really.

[Elysis]

What if you want to make Alistair king? Does he still leave? Or, wait, the execution/sparring happens before you decide who's to take the throne, right? I don't remember :/

[inclemency]

Yes, the question of who will take the throne happens after Loghein has met his fate, whatever that is.

[Maria13]

We seem convinced that Duncan would have recruited Loghain... I'm not so sure.



Since they both were of an age and had very 'heavy' backgrounds there would likely be conflict between them. Plus Duncan would be aware that doing so would alienate Alistair. Rather he might have gone for a younger person with good fighting or spell casting skills than an awkward old general...

[HolyAvenger]

If we had a senior Warden we could've recruited a company of Grey Wardens and the need for Loghain would not be pressing.

[Maria13]

I don´t think the need for Loghain was ever pressing... Not as a Grey Warden anyway.

[HolyAvenger]

Oh really? When the choices were the death of you, your lover or best friend, or creation of a child with the soul of an old god to be raised by a selfish, power-hungry witch?





Clearly you don't know this pre-Landsmeet, but when a senior Warden says you need all the Grey Wardens you can get your hands on you'd have to be pretty thick/emotionally blinded by rage not to listen...

[inclemency]

At the Landsmeet it wasn't life or death situation yet. Riordan thought the Wardens of Orlais would get there in time; and only he knew how the Archdemon was slain, no one else did. He apologizes twice for not realizing that the warden and Alistair didn't know.  If he had spoken up at the Landsmeet, things might have been different, but, he didn't.

Modifié par inclemency, 02 février 2011 - 11:30 .

[ColaQueen]

@Bitenomnom if you put in your text and pic code (use bb style) in the standard form and then click bbc code once and again it should preview pic for you.



@SurelyForth I do love Ali in that Thane helm, it get's it right away and keeps it. Does the pc take it away in cut scenes too?



Thanks for all the awesome killing and naked Alistair pics today folks

[HolyAvenger]

Riordan's argument is that you should have as many Grey Wardens as possible and he suggests joining the Grey Wardens as an extended death sentence. Killing multiple birds with one stone as it were- Loghain still dies (eventually), you get another experienced and strong warrior to fight the Archie.



As to whether or not to choose to listen to Riordan- well that's up to the player isn't it. I choose to recruit Loghain because in my HN playthrough as a pragmatist non-killer, thats what my PC would do. In my City Elf playthrough, things will be different.

[inclemency]

I never did put up an RDT yesterday, so here's an almost-one, it happens in the next frame, but it's not nearly as dramatic

[Catspaw]

I just LURVE that shot Storm!!

[_Somebody]

Damn thats a big emissary. 

[Zjarcal]

Maria13 wrote...

Plus Duncan would be aware that doing so would alienate Alistair.

I highly doubt angering Alistair would stop Duncan from making a particular decision.

[inclemency]

Hey, Somebody, I didn't realize your character and mine went out on a date *laughs*

[Addai]

Mezzil wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Clearly you don't know this pre-Landsmeet, but when a senior Warden says you need all the Grey Wardens you can get your hands on you'd have to be pretty thick/emotionally blinded by rage not to listen...

Riordan is crazy. He wants Loghain and only Loghain. There's better people to make into Warden around. If he really thought having more Wardens was important, he'd be wanting to recruit more than Loghain.

Also he remains silent while one of the current Wardens walk out. You don't know Loghain is going to survive the Joining. You're trading off a Warden for a maybe-Warden. If Loghain dies in the Joining, you are now only left with 2 Wardens. Even if Loghain survives, you are not better off then before.

Riordan should have been more forthcoming with the Warden, but I guess he can be excused by the fact that he was coming out of torture and was constrained by the plot gods.

It's not his fault that Alistair walks away, though.  What's he supposed to do?  If the Warden can't convince Alistair, no one can.  As far as recruiting Loghain, it's not that he wants only him as a recruit, it's that he sees he's going to be executed and realizes there's a better way to use that resource.  Plus they don't know where the archdemon blood is and probably are presuming Loghain knows or has it himself.  If he dies, they can't do the Joining for anyone until the Orlesians show up.

[_Somebody]

inclemency wrote...

Hey, Somebody, I didn't realize your character and mine went out on a date *laughs*

Alistair's got nothing on my character.

[RagingCyclone]

Addai67 wrote...

Riordan should have been more forthcoming with the Warden, but I guess he can be excused by the fact that he was coming out of torture and was constrained by the plot gods.

It's not his fault that Alistair walks away, though.  What's he supposed to do?  If the Warden can't convince Alistair, no one can.  As far as recruiting Loghain, it's not that he wants only him as a recruit, it's that he sees he's going to be executed and realizes there's a better way to use that resource.  Plus they don't know where the archdemon blood is and probably are presuming Loghain knows or has it himself.  If he dies, they can't do the Joining for anyone until the Orlesians show up.

That last part is especially true. Loghain can be recruited because he presumably does indeed know where the AD blood is, and can perform the ritual in the game . If he is executed, there are no other joinings until after the blight when you get new AD blood.

[_Somebody]

I always wondered why Riordan doesnt say anything if Alistair leaves the group. He seemed to like Alistair if he was present when you help free him from Howe's prison.

Modifié par Somebody, 02 février 2011 - 04:17 .